S-FM 353: Death Nominations

[CRichardForumLies]

Well for us it's still rand but it makes a lot more sense why you're pushing it. Still weird to assume there's exactly 1 if you're a villager since it's a much easier assumption that 2 other villagers voted the same player. Pretty sure vittae voted marshall just because they didnt want tutuu to be last second voted. (silly argument since wolves wouldnt dare make that move if tutuu is a villager, kinda w/wy)

I've got a proposition for you lol. Suppose we're in the world where you, me and Varcron are all town. Who would the mafia be in that world? I've seen you repping tutuu wolf read, who else would fit in that mafia team?

[lol]

Who has reads on page fucking 3? not to mention that a large majority of the posts were either baker (whom I was already town reading) or not super game related posts. you had reads b/c you are scum that knows everyone alignment.

This guy is a villager imo

[scumbot5679]

keep in mind that Varcon when ages without giving reads and now his scumreads are the guy pushing him (woi) and someone else

[Wiml]

like the difference here is that I'm uninformed majority that doesn't have strong reads early game but you know who has strong reads early game? You, the informed minority.

Are you trying to argue that everyone who had strong reads half way into the day phase was a wolf then?

Because otherwise I'm again not sure why you think it would be specifically wolf indicative for me and not others.

[CRichardForumLies]

Well for us it's still rand but it makes a lot more sense why you're pushing it. Still weird to assume there's exactly 1 if you're a villager since it's a much easier assumption that 2 other villagers voted the same player. Pretty sure vittae voted marshall just because they didnt want tutuu to be last second voted. (silly argument since wolves wouldnt dare make that move if tutuu is a villager, kinda w/wy)

Sure, it's not impossible that MM Marshall was voted by only towns. I'll admit this is possible.

[scumbot5679]

so fake

you've been calling me scum since page 3. And you are giving me the "benefit of the doubt" someone knows that im green

[lol]

I've got a proposition for you lol. Suppose we're in the world where you, me and Varcron are all town. Who would the mafia be in that world? I've seen you repping tutuu wolf read, who else would fit in that mafia team?

I think scumbot is town. Leaves baker/vittae/tutuu/icarus/martin

Since i scumread tutuu now i'll stick to that read and put tutuu as my 1st mafia member.

icarus called out tutuu for saying they aren't w/w with baker. Makes me think baker isn't a wolf with tutuu even though they been kinda alarming with their whining lately.

Out of icarus/vittae/martin i feel most confortable calling icarus a villager since just like baker everyone just put them as villager and threw them in the attic to be forgotten and that's usually reserved for townies and wolves like to pull those out around lylo and say something like ''damn this guy hasnt been this towny''

Martin's kinda there and is in the Varcron tier of relevancy and i think you're being wolfy but if you're confident Varcron is town then this is what i'd offer. Not good at building teams before there's a wolf outed though much better at looking at interactions POST wolf death

[Wiml]

so fake

you've been calling me scum since page 3. And you are giving me the "benefit of the doubt" someone knows that im green

Bruh

[Wiml]

I'm taking a break from this.

[scumbot5679]

peace out homes

[lol]

will say this if scumbot is a villager good chance vittae is too because this is so overdone and i don't see wolf arguing this for such a long time since it makes both of them look bad and w/w. And i think scumbot is so maybe team is tutuu/icarus/martin or something

[lol]

Either tutuu/martin/icarus or scumbot/vittae/tutuu. Locking it in final answer
@CRichardForumLies

[CRichardForumLies]

Either tutuu/martin/icarus or scumbot/vittae/tutuu. Locking it in final answer
@CRichardForumLies

Yeah I can see either of those teams if all nominees today are town.

[bakermir]

Either tutuu/martin/icarus or scumbot/vittae/tutuu. Locking it in final answer
@CRichardForumLies

I am okay with that if you guys believe CRichard and Scumbot are town.

if one in tutuu/martin/vittae/icarus gives a wrong list of nominations at the end of D3, the game might end before D4. I think it is possible there are two wolves there if CRichard/Scumbot contain none.

-vote lol

[ikarusdk]

I just came back to catch up. And things are getting heated up as I read more.

Also it's true. I am in the attic.

Before your final locked in answer, lol, i was gonna say you should nominate tutu/martin if u do end up getting chopped.

[lol]

I am okay with that if you guys believe CRichard and Scumbot are town.

if one in tutuu/martin/vittae/icarus gives a wrong list of nominations at the end of D3, the game might end before D4. I think it is possible there are two wolves there if CRichard/Scumbot contain none.

-vote lol

I'm pretty sure i said richard was a wolf in like 5 posts but that's fine by me

[ikarusdk]

4 hours or so till EoD. Ill be sleeping during EoD. I better make up my mind.

[bakermir]

Nomination proposals:

tutuu/martin/scumbot - baker
tutuu/martin/ikarus - lol
tutuu/scumbot/vittae - lol
tutuu/martin/?? - ikarus

let's see if we can find more

[bakermir]

I'm pretty sure i said richard was a wolf in like 5 posts but that's fine by me

why won't you nominate them in that case? I am confused

[scumbot5679]

varncorn/martin/vitt

[lol]

why won't you nominate them in that case? I am confused

Because it was a hypothetical scenario

[ikarusdk]

scumbot, could you give me a TLDR version of you v vittae atm?

I'm doing catch up but probably good to know the summary as well there were other conversations happening and it's hard to keep up.

[scumbot5679]

I said he was classic scum b/c he was bafgering me about reads on page 3. Guy went BALISTIC and then threw a fit when I didn't respond right away. I think thats super poor reasoning and doesn't make sense from town that's supposed scum reading me.

[scumbot5679]

+ i think he's being a hypocrit b/c he's ok with Varcorn spending most of the game not giving reads and but was upset about me not having reads on p3.

[scumbot5679]

I think its possible that this make more sense to me b/c I've been pushed multiple times by scum for not giving reads/having reads

[ikarusdk]

thanks for that.

[CRichardForumLies]

Are you seriously trying to threaten that you'll gamethrow if you're voted today?

Best not throw around the term gamethrow like confetti.

[ikarusdk]

Nomination proposals:

tutuu/martin/scumbot - baker
tutuu/martin/ikarus - lol
tutuu/scumbot/vittae - lol
tutuu/martin/?? - ikarus

let's see if we can find more

it's not outside the improbable that mafa could be distancing/bussing each other given that they could nominate 3 towns the next day even if they are lynched.

[ikarusdk]

Hence im not ruling out the fact that both richard and lol could be scum.

If they were, the more theatrical they appear atm, the more we;d believe they aren't paired with each other.

But even if that is the case, given Richard's response, idk if he's trying to tone it down or just simply aren't paired with lol.


Anyway, I need to decide who to vote for before I sleep and wow this is hard. I realise im just better suited in games with PRs

[ikarusdk]

Also simply because of what's been happening between varcron,richard and lol, i don't believe scumbot and vittae arguing with each other indicate them distancing at all, so i don't believe they are paired as w/w at least.

[CRichardForumLies]

You sound like Seth right now

Seth is one of the best forum mafia players on this planet right now.

[bakermir]

Hence im not ruling out the fact that both richard and lol could be scum.

If they were, the more theatrical they appear atm, the more we;d believe they aren't paired with each other.

But even if that is the case, given Richard's response, idk if he's trying to tone it down or just simply aren't paired with lol.


Anyway, I need to decide who to vote for before I sleep and wow this is hard. I realise im just better suited in games with PRs

D3 is a significant checkpoint in majority of setups. Theory behind is that the scum often has to pay blood if they haven't already or some of them have to reveal their true colors if they haven't already. That is when things get real tough for everyone.

otoh, this setup is a bit different in that sense. we will be forced to look at 3 nominations, which could potentially be 3 townies. If the person who gets chopped on D3 nominates another 3 townies as being town, then we won't even make it to D4.

That is why I am being loud about CRich chop instead of Varcron or lol. My gameplan is to get tutuu on the block and get her chopped. Same with Martin. While I had a strong TR on them early D1, I don't think everyone can be town. If Crrichard is town, then I would look into scumbot from MM wagon. These chops will either lead us to catching scum or put their keen minds to work on solving under good light. I believe this is a better path to follow instad of a witch hunt for LHF players.

seeing that Vittae/tutuu/Martin won't vote CRichard, todays chop was decided from the beginning. Seeing lol wagon, I can confidently say that one of them is misplaying, one is most likely a wolf where I believe in a town lol world.. If lol is mafia, someone is either a wolf bussing and someone is just a town outpacing rest of us in solving the game. You can fit the puzzle pieces here and come to my conclusion on the difference between tutuu/martin/vittae.

Interesting enough, I had my nominations scumbot/tutuu/martin prepared as soon as I saw MM flipped town. I think going for CRichard chop is always better here buuuut I am actually confused about lol not nominating them in the end. I need to reread everything after lol's flip.

[bakermir]

In a world where I am 100% wrong on tutuu/martin alignments and we have no pelts then Vittae/Ikarus should be nommed on lylo.


Varcron is certainly going down in my reads too. Can we muster up enough votes to bring them up?

[bakermir]

it's not outside the improbable that mafa could be distancing/bussing each other given that they could nominate 3 towns the next day even if they are lynched.

mafia nominating 3 towns is the least of my worry right now. we first need to flip a mafia LMAO

[CRichardForumLies]

lol having 5 votes while Varcron and myself have 1 vote each is interesting.
If lol is town, the odds that every lol voter is town is low to say the least.

[CRichardForumLies]

Also why does Varcron only have 1 vote, when their name hasn't shown up in town lists last time I checked? That might point at them being PoE mafia not being pushed on much.

[CRichardForumLies]

-vote Varcron

Counter wagon go brrr.

[bakermir]

-vote Varcron

[bakermir]

-vote Varcron

for science

[ikarusdk]

Then why don't you take your vote away and vote Richard instead?

Just looking over vote history,

It seems

tutu voted lol first
I said some stuff about voting lol
then
Vittae voted lol
Richard voted lol
Martin voted lol
then you voted lol, and changed to varcron

Out of Vittae, Richard, Martin

I can buy Vittae's reasoning on voting lol - he townsreads richard and wants to give varcron some time
Richard could just be self res
Martin, I'm missing the link here which worries me but could be that i forgot.

[ikarusdk]

If the current nominations are all town - which is definitely possible, because i can't see any wolfy equity that much

Don't know if that brief vote history reveals anything.

[ikarusdk]

Also why does Varcron only have 1 vote, when their name hasn't shown up in town lists last time I checked? That might point at them being PoE mafia not being pushed on much.

im more reserved about going after less active player than myself nowadays tbh, because of how often i lead mislynches on afkers

[ikarusdk]

I do think tutuu + martin are for some reason aligned with each other. Just a feel though. Martin definitely feels and sounds different this game to his other towns games i've been in, but of course he did say he was busy and he could've been stressed, but their seemingly cohesive worldview doesn't stick well with me because i don't agree with some of it.

[ikarusdk]

I'm now confused because

1. baker is still reserved about me, but presented in a way that is very towny, doesn't feel like a wolf trying to shade a town bsed on a TMI
2. this means lol should read as town to me as well but i did have lol in my scumlean because of the quotes somewhere in post 580 something i posted.
3. between varcron, lol, and richard - varcron's frustration over voting him does feel genuine, he's busy and he's upset he's being voted because of it, richard's posts don't really sound scummy, perhaps that's the problem, lol's tone later today feels like cold and analysing, not sure if i like it that much but i agree with all the reasonings.

[bakermir]

Then why don't you take your vote away and vote Richard instead?

Just looking over vote history,

It seems

tutu voted lol first
I said some stuff about voting lol
then
Vittae voted lol
Richard voted lol
Martin voted lol
then you voted lol, and changed to varcron

Out of Vittae, Richard, Martin

I can buy Vittae's reasoning on voting lol - he townsreads richard and wants to give varcron some time
Richard could just be self res
Martin, I'm missing the link here which worries me but could be that i forgot.

My single vote on CRichard won't make a difference and I don't think I can convince anyone in Vittae/Martin/Tutuu to vote them.

Varcron reminds me of typical mod scum where they don't write anything/pretend afk until later days. They have been making 5 posts every 24 hours that have produced nothing in content.. gave a big nothing of a read and dipped out 3 times.

[ikarusdk]

I shouldn't have left this too late because my mind is drawing blank, but im tryingt o think what lol's flip would mean.

lol flipping red means even if there could be at least 1 wolf bussing lol, there are at least 2 mafia in the rest of the players (5 or 6 depending on timeframe, including myself). Him nominating players inside his wagon in this case makes pretty good sense as wolf, don't know if he'll WIFOM us and put 1 mafia in the names but at least 2 names would be town.

lol flipping green means at least 2 mafia, if not all 3 jumped on the opportunity that presented itself. Here it makes the best sense to throw names from the wagon into nomination, and this is what lol is doing so I'm now even more confused.

[ikarusdk]

I would vote Richard here (nothing personal!) in place of lol, but what would that achieve?

Would richard flipping reveal more information for us tomorrow?
or
Is letting lol flip better for us?

[ikarusdk]

IMO, if we are going to risk a mislynch (because im honestly not sure if any of them are scum, minus varcron who i still have null read), we should risk it on someone who would reveal more information the next day and share the consensus worldview on who they are going to nominate

[ikarusdk]

Above is also the reason why I buy that people don't want to vote Varcron off. Baker you mentioned yourself day 3 is crucial. No point in lynching LHF whose flip would reveal very little.

[lol]

Information is a fool's trap, most importantly is to kill a wolf here. You're not climbing out of a 5v3 scenario 9/10 even if you do have information. Vote who you think is mafia