I feel the need to bring this up right now. I live in Southern California and we're kind of going through an unexpected hurricane problem right now. Some of my time recently has been spent preparing for the worst. If the power goes out where I live OR if I'm ordered to evacuate, I will request to sub out. Just want to let you all know.
Because I was driving when I saw pod flip, I was asking myself a bunch of questions as to why pod was nkd and janitored.
And I came up with a list of whys in the order of likelihood.
I'm on a phone since my pc is buggered so sorry for the format and errors. This is going to be full of speculation and narratives.
1. The remaining wolves still want to lynch ika/MM
2. There was miscommunication between mafia members
3. Somehow both the nk and janitor were misdirected.
1. I'll start by saying that when someone says something that is noticeably wrong, or repeats an obvious statement, other people tend to think harder/starts to question about the subject.
Now with that being said.
Post 2141 by Wiisp.
Voting with Achro. This releases Wiisp from the responsibility of solving. This also makes the player immune from being fos 'd for being wrong. And/or if Arrow is the teammate, this makes it so it does not look like a bus. A random wagon vote.
Reinforcing the fact DM is a lost wolf (which wiisp also mentions in post 2150). We by now know DM is a lost wolf. But wiisp mentions this because it adds to what he/she wants to achieve next. By falsely claiming MM is towncleared from carol, this ensures that the town thinks twice about MM being town (stellaria noticed the fallacy and argued MM isnt towncleared). Because DM is a lost wolf, W!MM could've still pushed DM without realising he would flip red. I could go into details about how it would've played had DM flipped green but since Wiisp is playing it accordingly after the red flip, I won't get into it. This all makes MM still a valid target to be lynched, because he has had the most number of fingers pointing at him than anyonr else anyway. Wiisp would've argued about this till MM flips green. One mislynch. One more to go. So the question is, how does that tie me? Wiisp wants to bring ika faking the carol into light once more in case MM does not gain the traction. I, ika, am not all mech cleared. DM was a lost wolf so W!ika could've gotten lucky (oh hey! How well the narrative fits!). Notice wiisp says exactly this in post 2150. Also all Wiisp has ever said about me was, ika has some scummy posts, ika pings me, I don't like their posts etc, but has never really gone into detail why and how my slot is suspicious to Wiisp. Similar to DM.
No other players were discussing about PoD aside from MM and I, although neither of us really doubed the fact pod was a medium. Maybe actual wolves wanted to frame us because we were discussing him? I have no clue. This kill is puzzling at best, not even mentioning the follow up sanitation. Anyway, this is what I think Wiisp and her teammate wanted to achieve, because they did not learn anything from when DM tried to shade me.
2. Maybe mafia mates didn't communicate well and janitor was forced to sanitize pod. Unlikely.
3. I'm assuming the redirector can only redirect one player to a target so I'm guessing this is even more unlikely.
I'd like to also say, wiisps voting on banana, and the circumstance around it was very opportunistic as well
Also, I'm baffled to see you actually caught a slip from DM with his "group wolf" stuff. I just don't get what this play was about. Since no scum had died before him, he couldn't join his team's chat through blessing a scum message, so ? ? ? ? what a strange strategy
It does kinda annoy me, though, because my scumread on Wisp was based in great part on a SvS association with DM... the problem is, if he's not scum, who is? That said, I'm pretty confident with Arrow just being scum lol, so that's at least leaving us with only one scum to find, probably.
Perhaps the simplest reason for pod dying was because he was a town PR.
Kill town PR.
Lynch MM or ika, prob MM here
Lynch ika, as fake Carol
That being said, are you saying we should keep Arrow alive for today and lynch Wisp...? Considering Achro exists and considering Arrow is just very likely scum, this doesn't seem optimal. Is there a reason I'm missing?
@macdougall you've basically disappeared lately. What's your world, and why?
I didn't think that we'll when I was writing that post so I guess we can go either arrow or wiisp.
Arrow gets yeeted - achro leaves
Wiisp gets yeeted - achro stays but leaves if I live through night 4, but given that mafia aren't gonna be that sadistic and kill me tonight, achro is probably leaving anyway
Also, what are the odds Wisp knew there was a lost wolf and was pretty sure DM was said lost wolf, and thus actually acted SvS towards him?
Also, leaving this in case I am the most retarded person to ever live and MM is mafia
MM frig you
I mean my flip will show I didn't onow anything, but to each their own
And why would my day 1 votes be wolfy unless u assume Mac iz town, of whom I wanted to kill
You srent gunna find progression in my town game, sorry
I don't play to make myself look better unless I'm a wolf, DM wasn't even a wolf because of that mindset, because a lot of the time it tends to come from a town, aka kuti
Dm was wolfy because of their claim, that's really all u needed
I think both ikarus and MM could be wolfy for their reactions and tones
I'm not worried about you
Or Mac is one of them, when I play with a player like Mac I expect a hard game means he is a wolf, but thag kind of read always feels insulting to me
Anyways I'm trying to find the wolf in that grouping of 3 + arrow, im assuming if arrow is town, we aren't winning this game anyways.
I still particularly like my arrow/dk team mostly because thinking back I'm not sure that Mac is a wolf based of day 1 wagonomics
Plus I don't see Mac wolf with mm or dk? Only arrow
I don't touch any of the above til f3 tbh.
I can already see that Arrow is going to die today and I really doubt anything is going to happen to prevent it. I don't have a problem with it. So I haven't got much else to say.
I think if I squint hard enough I can see a world where Ika has snowed me because I don't really think Wisp has been that wolfy and I usually find Wisp as mafia is wolfy and stays wolfy.
Stellaria I would be surprised but not like overwhelmingly so.
Ultra I'm just never touching.
I think what's going to likely happen as much as it sounds weird to say is that Arrow is going to die, and probably flip town and then we'll all go oh wow amazing.
Then we'll probably flip Wisp kicking and screaming tomorrow and lose to MM/Ika lol.
Nah you know what fuck it, I'm Mac and I don't play that.
Let's dance homie.
Mac stop trying to kill my win condition or I will have to be mean.
But dance away.
Just let's all be clear we want arrow nice and dead today.
If Arrow is town and Ikarus is mafia...
You are strictly asking me to do the least townie thing I could possibly do.
And presently I am of that mindset.
Yesterday you were all about voting MM, again to solve achro.
Why, you can't trust achros claim and his wincon?
All of these actions...they aren't really pro town or anti town. But needlessly focused on wanting to know what achro is.
Which is vastly different to how your day 1 went.
You can't townclear someone that hard that you are willing to leave them till f3, then immediately follow up and say the rest of it without providing good reasons. Your reason for voting me here is that, 'oh arrow will prob flip town, and this means ika/mm are scum' so i must change my townclear to scumlock right now. See how it doesn't really flow?
If anything, the bit about 'Arrow probably flip town' - sounds very TMIy
I am not sure if I follow your worldview. It is currently all over the place.
Are you fine with lynching with someone else, and winning tomorrow, hoping I will survive through the night?
I wouldn't think mafia are that sadistic enough to kill me over Ultra tonight because that is just a big douche move.
It's not a good look.
Day 1 you were more active and jumped on banana wagon.
Day 2 you were less active and jumped on Kuti wagon
Day 3 you were even less active and jumped on DM wagon
Day 4 you are getting pushed but you know arrow is going to get yeeted, and you don't want to town up because this is how you play town.
Because as much as players sometimes get complacent and just wanna follow the trains, if the wagons are non-mafia, or the current flow of the game indicates non-mafia are likely to get wagoned, of course mafia will be fine with just sidelining. And this actually might be how you play town, but to me it looks like you are trying to appear as such.
Where is your will to win the game? You are active enough in the forum, but I don't feel any WIM.
Wisp is the 4th most active poster behind me at 3rd, you (Ikarusdk) at 2nd, and Dark Magician at 1st
Arrow, conversely, is still the lowest posting player in this game including behind all of the dead players
@ikarusdk To be entirely fair, Banana and kutiplz were really easy wagons to jump on for both Town and Mafia and doubly so in hindsight because they were both straight lying