S-FM 352: ★ Silent Night 2 ★

[Kutiplz]

Just found out where the list of possible to roles are. I'm so smart

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...703#post988703

[macdougall]

Why

I was hopeful you wouldn't ask me to explain tbh but I should know better.

You just seem level 1 towny on this page due to wim and the amount of fucks you seem to give and I've not read pages 2 3 and 4 yet.

Sup.

[macdougall]

if I'm a wolf I am n1'ing Kutiplz if they are town
If we are both wolves, good luck town
if I am town I am a PR

Hi Long time no speak to the ones who know me
@Kutiplz @Achro

Hi to the cute people in this thread

-vote Wiisp

[Kutiplz]

@Achro by any chance are you executioner because I don't understand your obsession with yeet ing wisp. This is the most null wisp has been and I'm not sure why ur wolf reading him.

I also don't see a neutral role that would have 5 wincon unless it's exactly executioner so idk where blessings comes in

[Loldebite]

All players here are high quality.

This is MY party.

Only the chillest dudes. Stand by for music.

Ha, is that a dare ?!

And about music, let's pay our respects to this site's (formerly?) most dedicated sub with a song :

alright link ain't working so I'll simply paste the title : RENEGADE — MAGARET. Yes it is in fact eurobeat.

[Kutiplz]

I was hopeful you wouldn't ask me to explain tbh but I should know better.

You just seem level 1 towny on this page due to wim and the amount of fucks you seem to give and I've not read pages 2 3 and 4 yet.

Sup.

You know I question every read on me.

Fair enuf I will give you space to cook

[macdougall]

I'm gonna be so useless this game I know it.

this is super towny lol

[macdougall]

I actually kinda agree with that, or rather vibe with it.
Even though it’s a normal post from Mac, I feel the slot can be wolf.

Probably try and get the slot to talk more tbh.

this is trash tier logic

if it's a normal post from mac your read is null

so why are you talking nonsense?

[macdougall]

Mac will certainly talk more on his own, he's rather talkative. Just a feeling about him for now.

Dark Magician can be town for being a cool cat. I am a neutral, so you must accept my pocket.

as a neutral make better reads for town or I'll just force the town to waste a miselim on you

[macdougall]

You're not, you're actually meeting people who are fairly higher grade than the average player on this site lol

should be a good time for you regardless of alignment

I'm not going to be giving you a whole lot of room though given the chaotic executioner game....

like is this an implicit role claim out of nowhere? Or sneaky PR cover? Actually, probably don't answer that.

martin strong tr

[macdougall]

Idk I kinda would rather Mac right now

Maybe it would get them providing more for me to get a full read on them, however I’m pretty sure Mac will post more anyways, like the day just started, so I probably don’t need to bother with a pressure vote on them right this second.

this is another bad post

you'd rather vote Mac

but you'd rather not.

[Loldebite]

I kinda just want to say we should make a completely random towncore of PoD and Kuti because they both have cat avatars and see where it goes.

Cats were bound to overthrow society and become our overlords anyways.

That last line made me laugh, which made me put you as a slight TL for arbitrary reasons, but then from what I recall you usually don't make me laugh or post stuff that trivial so I got myself all worked up over this whole pile of nothing. Ugh

[macdougall]

Then as for Wisp, I think they made it clear if they are town they are useful so I wouldn’t want to lose or push on something like a Doctor that can potentially protect me or other town.

Although I guess technically anyone I push could be the Doctor, Wisp made it clear they aren’t VT of which if we did miss execute and hit a town, VT would be the most optimal loss.

you're town I think but I'd really prefer you to chill out here and focus on finding a few townies cuz you're hyperfocusing too much and seem likely to start building your worldview out of bad logic and tunneling imo

[macdougall]

I caught up and have nothing to contribute but holiday cheer.

feeling this is lightly townie

kinda sus on marshall

[macdougall]

What don't you like about it? Pretty good since Wisp is a wolf.

slightly better lol

[macdougall]

historically Marshall and Wisp are both wolves I have caught with regularity and I'm pinged by both of them so that's fun

[macdougall]

A ballsy one :P

You strike me as an active, potentially aggressive, experienced player. I know early claims tend to result in early clears. I would like to know if you're worthy of such a treatment, especially considering you're probably the most interesting event of the game as of right now. As for the neutral claim itself, well, if it were true, it would basically be an anti-town claim lol. Even Guardian Angel doesn't know whether he's pro-town or not at start. The rest are either roles designed to create anti-town chaos with lies, or straight up murderers xD.

Also, your avatar is scummy

feels like bs from first to last word lol

[macdougall]

That's cool. Now silence filthy indi!

I am pleased that ultra has indeed randed town

[macdougall]

You unfortunately are too cool for me to push for your lynch throughout D1. What a shame.
My main goal is accomplished, though: you have committed entirely to your claim in a way that makes your early intent verifiable if/when you eventually full claim or drop your neutral claim (because that is very much still a possibility). Thank you for your cooperation :P

You shall live as long as you are pro-town, I guess.

~~

-vote MartinGG99

Hi. How are you. What if I actually accepted the POD/Kutie cat-towncore, but thought it was pretty strange coming from you?

vom

[macdougall]

Don't like this either, too soft.

If you were genuinely reserved - he only vaguely alluded to a single indi wincon. We can easily force a claim and make him strip it all down.

I am so down to towncore with you here lol

I got you Ikarus and Martin as strong town... sabi townlean

Wisp light sus

dark Magician, Marshall quite wolfy

[macdougall]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

[macdougall]

I got shit to do bbl

[Loldebite]

It's not really a switch as much as it's the logical continuation of my push for information and for the solidification of his claim, so that we have a reference if he chooses to backtrack on his claim later, and so that we know what to expect (for example, that if he's alive on D4, it's probably not normal lol). He also made his intent clear here, as opposed to "hai im neutral woohoo", which would be actually detrimental to town. I also don't think he had made it that clear that he was claiming a self-resolving role before? Might have missed something; if so, do point it out.

As for saying I am blaming you for not being a psychic, that is... how to say it in nice, diplomatic terms... ahem.... bullshit? :P
Here is what you said:

If someone else genuinely sees this as saying "Why did you change your mind? I don't feel like Achro's post was that convincing", which is basically what you are now saying, please do explain, because I certainly don't. You said it was "too soft", and that we could "force a claim and make him strip it all down", which is absolutely not the style and vocabulary of someone who doesn't really have an opinion on Achro, but sees a reasoning he finds strange on the topic. You are moving goalposts here. LET THE ATTACK BEGIN.

-vote Ultra

Argument feels T/T to me, I see what ultra means and how MM could've misinterpreted it too so I'm putting money on "genuine" for now, which makes it more likely T/T than not—and I realize I have no convenient rational explanation for why, oh well whatever I'll do without.

[Loldebite]

Uh. Hadn't seen the vote. That seems a little bit gun jumpy to me

[macdougall]

Uh. Hadn't seen the vote. That seems a little bit gun jumpy to me

how so

[Loldebite]

It feels very much like a paradox to me.

If he had not been satisfied, it would have been seen as wolf busy work because he would have engaged me further.

But because he was, it is now insincere and fake.

I don't think that's reasoning above rand myself given that, and personally I think their open seems sincere. A judgment call, admittedly.

I understood fuck all of all that. Who/what's insincere and fake IYO ? Ultra or MM or both ?

[ikarusdk]

Just catching up.

Pretty sure MM v Ultra is TvT right now.

[ikarusdk]

MM definitely feels town this game.

[ikarusdk]

Skimming isn't working for me. I better study it all from day 1. BRB

[Loldebite]

how so

It's true, I was skimming... SORRY

After actually reading every single post in that 20 people game or something I'm a bit allergic to catching up and paying full attention sowowy.

[Loldebite]

I feel like MM/Ultra has gone on longer than I expected but I'm not sure what to make of it yet

[Loldebite]

I guess it makes them more aligned (T/T or S/S) than not

[Loldebite]

And now if you'll excuse me I've gotta keepmy duolingo streak up & runnin'

[Dark Magician]

Anyway I had fun real timing as my friday night was very free of anything, but I'll probably not post a whole lot for the rest of the day since I'm not trying to achieve anything than offer my perspective so the wolves don't throw me off a bridge.

If you want my thoughts on anyone just let me though, and I'll be sure to post a reads list EOD as well as sheep whatever my mason Dark Magician votes.

I appreciate the curtsy for me due to me being able to bless a player.
However, the portion of my blessing is very specific and there is probably a low chance I use it on you unless you’re like a bless away and need a last bless or something.

I’ll leave it at that, don’t want to full claim today.

[Dark Magician]

I don't see what you're trying to achieve here. Like, you only gain info here because I choose to reply to your vote, but I could very well have just left it there and carried on with my life, which would have left town!you with pretty much nothing at all.

I don’t know if it’s just me.
But this seems over defensive and I want to push it.

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

Like the part that got me was the “carried on with my life” I didn’t like it.

[Dark Magician]

Making the tough decision that ultra/MM does not contain two wolves.

Yeah I can kinda agree here.
Doesn’t look like wolf theatre.

[Dark Magician]

I feel like there's been a lot of chest thumping, I'm a man talk in the thread.

Anyway my vibes read:

Good:
Ultra
MM

Scared:
Martin
Wisp
Achro
NM

Sus:
Irk

Missing from a Readslist yet again.

Notice me, I am a player too!

[Dark Magician]

Stella seems vibe town for me tbh.
Weak read but it’s what I have for them.

[Dark Magician]

this is trash tier logic

if it's a normal post from mac your read is null

so why are you talking nonsense?

Was more just like a typical pop in say a one liner and dip kinda post that I’ve seen wolves do in the past.
So thus I wanted to see more content from you to see if it actually was a wolf one liner and dip or a town making a “I’m King” post or whatever it is to start the game off.

[Dark Magician]

this is another bad post

you'd rather vote Mac

but you'd rather not.

I kinda figured for saying this you would likely target me.
Now I just need to figure out if it’s in good faith and your town which is more likely from the concern or mafia going for the accuse the suspecter that has no confidence on that you’ll flip wolf just that I could see it.

I will ask though.

You pointed out that “I’d rather vote you but I’d rather not”
you also posted the reason I gave for doing as such.

Do you disagree with that reason? Do you not think it’s a fair reason to not vote someone?
Do you feel as if I should have voted you? Or do you think that would have been more “bad” to you?

[Dark Magician]

you're town I think but I'd really prefer you to chill out here and focus on finding a few townies cuz you're hyperfocusing too much and seem likely to start building your worldview out of bad logic and tunneling imo

Couple things.

1)What makes you think I’m town? Considering the fact you called not one but two of my posts “Bad”.
2)You said “Find Townies” and didn’t mention “Hunting Wolves” of which I aim to do both.

[Dark Magician]

I am so down to towncore with you here lol

I got you Ikarus and Martin as strong town... sabi townlean

Wisp light sus

dark Magician, Marshall quite wolfy

Ok another thing to go over nice.

I am not just “bad” I am “wolfy” but you call me Town?

[Dark Magician]

Just catching up.

Pretty sure MM v Ultra is TvT right now.

Argument feels T/T to me, I see what ultra means and how MM could've misinterpreted it too so I'm putting money on "genuine" for now, which makes it more likely T/T than not—and I realize I have no convenient rational explanation for why, oh well whatever I'll do without.

Hmmm.
Reads like these are always interesting and good to take note for later.
Right now I am leaning TvW, Marshal being the wolf, but I’ll admit I’m not super confident on it I just thought their reaction to wisp as I said looked over defensive.

[Dark Magician]

I guess it makes them more aligned (T/T or S/S) than not

Disagree.
I don’t think there was wolf theatre

[Dark Magician]

Missing from a Readslist yet again.

Notice me, I am a player too!

Actually last thing before I go to sleep, something I just realized.

“NM” did you miss type “DM”. I’m too tired to actually try and figure out if someone goes by “NM” but it would make sense why I wasn’t there if you accidentally called me “NM”, also if it helps you can just call me Magician.

[macdougall]

Ok another thing to go over nice.

I am not just “bad” I am “wolfy” but you call me Town?

I didn't say you were bad.

I said you made two bad posts. They are irrefutably bad logically.

I think you're town.

When I initially read you I found you sus but then re-evaluated and then when I made my list I forgot that I'd re-evaluated you.

[ikarusdk]

Hello, my role have some weird flavoring, and i think there are a total of three different variants of my role flavors, i already saw someone softing another variant.

This doesnt confirm them to be town tho, since i think all roles can either be town or mafia

i mean the arguement isnt that their role could be townie or wolfie, its more so, i think outright claiming that is townie
im well aware that any role can be any alignment

too early to care if that statement ends up being wrong

ill should also add u to that

Bestest Town:
Wisp


Townlean
PoD
Martin

Neutral
Chris

I am back from work so sorry about quoting retroactively (is that a right word). I will try my best but some of things here might not be up to date info. Also I am going to sound pure as fuck, because English is my second language and I am of a pure soul. I'm just going to hold onto all the replies/questions I have and post them all at once so I don't flood the forum while finding answers on my own as I catch up properly.

I think someone has already mentioned as well but why did you townlean PoD for a double post? I don't think you answered to the OG question yet. I'd like to hear it as well.
Because of your position in my half assed read list, I am curious about the three players you listed (perhaps Achro much less so).

if I'm a wolf I am n1'ing Kutiplz if they are town
If we are both wolves, good luck town
if I am town I am a PR

Hi Long time no speak to the ones who know me
@Kutiplz @Achro

Hi to the cute people in this thread

Squint.

So...what you are saying is..you are either mafia or town PR. Why would you say that as town.

well me killing kuti plz is a pre-game thing, well before rands came out, I would kill them if I was a wolf, because they have their champs game in like a week
otherwise its just wifom for wolves if I am town
@Achro
my ghost will haunt you

Well I guess it was relatively early day 1 post, so what you are saying is, your post was not meant to be taken seriously.

this is an innocent child claim.

eesh... because I don't know most players here, I'm going to assume everyone is world stage superstar mafia players (to a fault I know). Aaaaaaand I don't feel too great about Wisp so far. Maybe later posts will help me more.

But I know this is NAI but starting to sus Martin (hey that is what day 1 is all about eh? :P) I mean.. I'm just feeling that Martin and Wisp's back and forth are bit forced (up to post 85)

[ikarusdk]

Your absent king has returned.

hmm...

I don't THINK Wisp and Sabi are ever both wolves. Just a feeling though.

Mac might be a wolf.

No other comments for now.

weeee woooo weee wooo who is sabi? sorry I don't know many people here.

I know we were in RVS + joke opening stage, but you thinking mac being a wolf....it's kinda like wisp saying pod is town except opposite, and pod has better opening statement than mac. Is this a meta thing or am i reading too much into /s post.

I actually kinda agree with that, or rather vibe with it.
Even though it’s a normal post from Mac, I feel the slot can be wolf.

Probably try and get the slot to talk more tbh.

I mean.. why can the slot be the wolf? Almost as if we are hounding on someone that isn't present and leading them as LHF, ngl.

Mac will certainly talk more on his own, he's rather talkative. Just a feeling about him for now.

Dark Magician can be town for being a cool cat. I am a neutral, so you must accept my pocket.

Rather hasty push for Dark being town no?

Idk I kinda would rather Mac right now

Maybe it would get them providing more for me to get a full read on them, however I’m pretty sure Mac will post more anyways, like the day just started, so I probably don’t need to bother with a pressure vote on them right this second.

Don't know if I like this post that much. Feels Wisp is a better candidate for a wolf, but would rather vote Mac, even though Dark knows that mac would return and does not need a pressure vote.

Nah, as either alignment Mac will play it cool. Mac's a power town and a power wolf player, even if he is relaxed, so that type of pressure isn't needed. He's probably just busy either way. Wisp though, putting Wisp under some strain would be interesting. Can't catch heat myself you know, so I'm just giving advice. Do what's best for how you operate.

This feels more genuine and I vibe with this take alot.

[ikarusdk]

That’s correct.
Even though most of my role is beneficial to town it can probably easily be given to a wolf.
Thus I need to prove socially that I am Town.

Is claiming PRs on day 1 a good thing? I know Dark's responses are in relation to Achro's neutral claim but...I have to ask. I would've assumed in most cases that PRs don't want to be found.

I caught up and have nothing to contribute but holiday cheer.

everyone is claiming haha.

[ikarusdk]

POD probably is town though, true true.

Add that one to the nice list.

MAYBE it is my own skill issue. But I don't get townreading pod so far (although if history taught me anything I am always wrong about PoD)