Question about illegal things/gamethrowing

[Kingfish]

Alright, I just started playing this recently and really like it. I had a question that I hope someone could answer. I got kicked recently for doing the following: I was Consort and got found out relatively early, then when I got lynched I said, as my last words "eh, make it a quick game, brown is godfather and [teal] is janitor." However, neither of them were actually mafia. I then got warned and kicked quickly for gamethrowing, when I was just trying to get 2 extra people killed from the grave.

Is this wrong?

[creedkingsx]

No, a lot of people do this. If Brown and Teal weren't actually who you said they were, there is no reason you should have been reported.

[FrostByte]

Alright, I just started playing this recently and really like it. I had a question that I hope someone could answer. I got kicked recently for doing the following: I was Consort and got found out relatively early, then when I got lynched I said, as my last words "eh, make it a quick game, brown is godfather and [teal] is janitor." However, neither of them were actually mafia. I then got warned and kicked quickly for gamethrowing, when I was just trying to get 2 extra people killed from the grave.

Is this wrong?

You should not have been kicked by any means if what you said was actually a lie.
You should still have the replay if this was recent. Is there any way you can post it?

[Elixir]

Post the replay. Moderators can differentiate between game throwers and liars, if this one isn't they need to be instructed how to do so.

This game is about lying... you shouldnt have been removed.

edit: or if you remember the name of the mod?

[Ubernox]

Definitely not grounds for a kick. You should have an automatically saved replay, if you can find it.

[Kingfish]

OK I found the replay and attached it. I dont know how to figure out who kicked me because I dont have the end of the game to see the names match up with the accounts but maybe you guys can figure it out.

I was purple at the beginning and became orange.

Thanks

[Ubernox]

What would be the punishment for the mod in question, if any?

[creedkingsx]

Archaic. 1-S2-1-294777. Apparently he is an associate now?

[Dark.Revenant]

A benefactor gave him one of his donor codes. Legit, jsyk.

[Victorieee]

I was apart of the mafia with him and when he called out the two mafia(who btw, were not mafia) Landstander immediately asked players to vote with him to kick him out of the game.

[Raptorblaze]

I was apart of the mafia with him and when he called out the two mafia(who btw, were not mafia) Landstander immediately asked players to vote with him to kick him out of the game.

Since when can we initiate a votekick in during a game? or was that one of the new mod powers.

[creedkingsx]

Since when can we initiate a votekick in during a game? or was that one of the new mod powers.

I didn't think we could. And Landstander isn't a mod last I checked. That is why I assumed it was Archaic because I didn't know what an Associate was at the time.

[Victorieee]

It was a moderator. If you go to the part where he is about to get kicked, you'll see a mod asking people to vote with him.

[creedkingsx]

It was a moderator. If you go to the part where he is about to get kicked, you'll see a mod asking people to vote with him.

Yeah, you said it was Landstander. But Landstander isn't a Moderator, just a Patron. Or some kind of other Donor, I forget which.

[cookies4you]

Oh, I remember Landstander. That's the guy who stole my host in order to host a game with his friend... is that a Patron power?

[creedkingsx]

Oh, I remember Landstander. That's the guy who stole my host in order to host a game with his friend... is that a Patron power?

No, we have a little bit extra Repick power, but just count for 2 votes, that's it. O.o

[Pancho556]

This is not the first case of bad moderators. One time I was jailor and I jailed JackOSpades (obviously he was usign another name), he was town and I executed him, so I failed, then I got kicked from the game...

Unfortunately, that game was already many time ago, so I missed the replay. Please be careful selecting people to moderate.

[Raptorblaze]

This is not the first case of bad moderators. One time I was jailor and I jailed JackOSpades (obviously he was usign another name), he was town and I executed him, so I failed, then I got kicked from the game...

Unfortunately, that game was already many time ago, so I missed the replay. Please be careful selecting people to moderate.

Mods will kick you if you
a)demand they read their role card.
b)execute someone as jailor when there is good and obvious evidence that they are town. <--Because this is griefing/gamethrowing

[Nick]

Mods will kick you if you
a)demand they read their role card.
b)execute someone as jailor when there is good and obvious evidence that they are town. <--Because this is griefing/gamethrowing

Point a) can be normally solved by giving a warning. Kicking is too harsh.
Point b) is debatable. Good and obvious evidence is subjective. Griefing/gamethrowing can only be confirmed after reviewing the whole replay.

Do add this:
c) Lagging
Give a warning, maybe pause the game for a while for them to fix before kicking the offenders.

I don't like kick happy moderators who do not use warnings beforehand. At this rate, moderators will become the new scourge in SC2 Mafia.

[TheJackofSpades]

Point a) can be normally solved by giving a warning. Kicking is too harsh.
Point b) is debatable. Good and obvious evidence is subjective. Griefing/gamethrowing can only be confirmed after reviewing the whole replay.

Do add this:
c) Lagging
Give a warning, maybe pause the game for a while for them to fix before kicking the offenders.

I don't like kick happy moderators who do not use warnings beforehand. At this rate, moderators will become the new scourge in SC2 Mafia.

Just so you're aware, if I did end up kicking him it was because he committed A and executed me after I warned him it was against the rules and it was clear it was his justification behind it even though I had claimed a provable role.

Or it was solely because of B and I had a very good reason to do so.

The reason he didn't save a replay 'at the time' is because he knew he was in the wrong. People always jump at the opportunity to report moderators afterall. This guy is literally obsessed with me kicking him(something that had to have happened at least a month ago) in the presence of other respectable mods but has no proof of it.

Not that it matters, I gave up my powerz like two weeks ago.

[creedkingsx]

A lot of people still try to sell off reading role cards, whenever you claim it is illegal in the game, you are immediately deemed evil. But then if you do follow the the charade, people always say, "Oh, anyone can read a role card from the help menu." >.>

[cookies4you]

I'm the ultimate counter to role-card reading.

Why?

I've already memorized all of the counter-role role cards. This keeps me safe from any type of role-card reading.

Bus Driver, Power-Advanced, swap two players

They don't care about the exact role-card, most players only want a summary of it. As long as you've got the Rank(Power, Support, Advanced, Basic) and the name correct, the description really doesn't matter.

[Raptorblaze]

I've caught people misclaiming their roles that way, (something like saying basic power instead of advanced support) but they weren't asked for their card. Btw good and obvious evidence are things like, a revealed mayor, a role that was investigated and it's evil counter role is excluded by the setup + graveyard. Or anyone that comes up as leader of men when gf is detection immune (most obvious frame ever)

[creedkingsx]

I've caught people misclaiming their roles that way, (something like saying basic power instead of advanced support) but they weren't asked for their card. Btw good and obvious evidence are things like, a revealed mayor, a role that was investigated and it's evil counter role is excluded by the setup + graveyard. Or anyone that comes up as leader of men when gf is detection immune (most obvious frame ever)

I've seen three Mason Leaders get lynched on day2/3 because of this, and I always get accused of being the mafia because I'm defending them along with the Mason.

[Ice52berg]

OK I found the replay and attached it. I dont know how to figure out who kicked me because I dont have the end of the game to see the names match up with the accounts but maybe you guys can figure it out.

I was purple at the beginning and became orange.

Thanks

It does appear Landstander did act in haste to immediately warn and kick Kingfish after he named 2 members as mafia in attempt to fool the town. The accusations KingFish made had not even been confirmed yet and he was removed from the game before night fall.

[Jim]

I got kicked from a game once because i killed Goon as jailer.
He was Mayor or something like that and he hadn't revealed yet, i presumed he was a SK wanting me not to execute so he could kill the role blocker.
Then i got auto put on the watch list as a griefer and was no thread so i couldn't have appealed it.

[Nambla Member69]

I killed goon as jailor on N1 and he was mafioso, I was never kicked.

[Jim]

I killed goon as jailor on N1 and he was mafioso, I was never kicked.

Seeing as Goon is an affluent member of NAMBLA and sticks his "pen" in the company's "ink" I am not supprised by this.

[Raptorblaze]

Point a) can be normally solved by giving a warning. Kicking is too harsh.
Point b) is debatable. Good and obvious evidence is subjective. Griefing/gamethrowing can only be confirmed after reviewing the whole replay.

Do add this:
c) Lagging
Give a warning, maybe pause the game for a while for them to fix before kicking the offenders.

I don't like kick happy moderators who do not use warnings beforehand. At this rate, moderators will become the new scourge in SC2 Mafia.

Actually a) usually results in kick, because the moment someone points out that it's against the rules and refuses to read 90% of pub jailors will execute.
b) isn't really that debatable..there are several ways to confirm various roles. The most obvious is a revealed mayor, but there are also things like.. when I bussed a doctor once, and the person I swapped them with was immediately killed by the SK. Obviously the person can't be the SK.

[Phyr]

There are many things that can f*** up your judgment. I the case mentioned above, there might be a witch or a second bus driver that negates the driving.