S-FM 351: Mini Fooling Party

[Gikkle]

Why do you take Baker's claim for granted ?

Did you not read what I said in the brackets?

[powerofdeath]

gikkle you faked a feedback on MM. It could be a scum doing a fake guilty on another player, and Mm just happen to be another scum so you could be backpedaling

[powerofdeath]

youre also not in a position to demand mass claims if you dont claim yourself first

[scumbot5679]

if you knew that inno was triad why did you never push there?

[Auwt]

War Surgeon
Each night you may heal or bodyguard a player. You have two shots to heal a player, and unlimited shots to bodyguard players.
Healing will prevent a single non-sniper attack. Bodyguard will prevent all attacks at the expense of your life if they are attacked.
If there are two or more war surgeons protecting a player when they are attacked, and one of the surgeons is bodyguarding, the bodyguard dies. RNG where there is more than 1 bodyguard.


where in the rolecard does war surgeon know MM is either DH or attacked by DH?

He's making assumption that since only Ikarus was killed, and MM attacked Gikkle, that means MM is either faking Vigi, while being DH, or he got attacked by DH while trying to shoot Gikkle, and Bakermir saved him.

But he's forgetting the fact that DH can just decide to take no action.

Although the likeliest is just MM being fake Vigi imo.

[Gikkle]

then i wont claim

-vote Powerofdeath

If either you or Auwt are town this is actually ridiculous
You guys DO know we're in technical LYLO right?
I feel like I'm talking to brick walls here and I'm the only one that understands what position we're in lol

[powerofdeath]

-vote Powerofdeath

If either you or Auwt are town this is actually ridiculous
You guys DO know we're in technical LYLO right?
I feel like I'm talking to brick walls here and I'm the only one that understands what position we're in lol

then claim

[Gikkle]

youre also not in a position to demand mass claims if you dont claim yourself first

I said I'd claim if two people claimed. Vote me if I don't after someone else claims, but I am not the one that needs to be mass claiming here.

[powerofdeath]

I said I'd claim if two people claimed. Vote me if I don't after someone else claims, but I am not the one that needs to be mass claiming here.

im not voting you? unlike you im actually voting scum here, MM is like 95% scum, its ridiculous to vote anyone outside of him

[bakermir]

I have targeted mm because I thought they were the busdriver
Turns out they claim vigilante on dead ikarus
This is why they are either dh or dh potentially target them if not ikarus
I think mm is also a very good target for ca because if mm lives to see fx then ca would know their alignment and the alignment of other target

[Auwt]

-vote Powerofdeath

If either you or Auwt are town this is actually ridiculous
You guys DO know we're in technical LYLO right?
I feel like I'm talking to brick walls here and I'm the only one that understands what position we're in lol

If you are town, you know the solve, it's some post above.
Ofc if you are triad, you don't necessarly know it, since you cannot make sure who is the town member in the 4-player list.

[Gikkle]

im not voting you? unlike you im actually voting scum here, MM is like 95% scum, its ridiculous to vote anyone outside of him

I'd expect you to vote me if I lied about claiming after two people claim.

If you're town, claim. @Auwt also needs to claim.

If either of you are town, you are only setting a precedent of people in the PoE not having to claim. Your role being secret is not more valuable than solving the game. If you truly do believe MM is a wolf, then triad hidden won't even be able to mess with your actions anyways.

[Auwt]

-vote Powerofdeath

If either you or Auwt are town this is actually ridiculous
You guys DO know we're in technical LYLO right?
I feel like I'm talking to brick walls here and I'm the only one that understands what position we're in lol

Also let it be noted that I can totally follow you on that train, AND HAMMER HIM.
I don't care.
I'm also open to the same on MM and bakermir.

[powerofdeath]

there are multiple reasons for not claiming: triad can kill another triad by accident. Triad can lynch each others by accident even if they have majority, etc.

[Auwt]

Did you not read what I said in the brackets?

Don't you know the good old "Ohhhhhh but I got mouldered/roleblocked/sorcered/driven/idk what kind of trickery can happen, sorry I tried to heal but nono" ?

[scumbot5679]

I think the most likey scenario is that MM just fake claimed vig after thinking that he really was tracked. I'm also suspicious of him b/c he's co-opting all my logic and there's been way more defense than offense today.

[bakermir]

Scarlet citizen
Furtiv citizen
Ikarus citizen
Baker ws
Gikkle detective
MM vig
Innovation claimed town hidden and claimed not bus driver
Pod ?
Auwt ?
Scumbot ?
A
According to this we always get innovation

[powerofdeath]

I think the most likey scenario is that MM just fake claimed vig after thinking that he really was tracked. I'm also suspicious of him b/c he's co-opting all my logic and there's been way more defense than offense today.

this, also MM barely put in any effort in scumhunting beside deflecting it back to Gikkle

[Gikkle]

Don't you know the good old "Ohhhhhh but I got mouldered/roleblocked/sorcered/driven/idk what kind of trickery can happen, sorry I tried to heal but nono" ?

So you don't think MM is a wolf? Because this post implies that you think the triad hidden's going to still have their role tonight.
plus we still have a bus driver

[powerofdeath]

Scarlet citizen
Furtiv citizen
Ikarus citizen
Baker ws
Gikkle detective
MM vig
Innovation claimed town hidden and claimed not bus driver
Pod ?
Auwt ?
Scumbot ?
A
According to this we always get innovation

except gikkle said hes not detective/lookout and lied about it

[scumbot5679]

I don't buy baker's claim b/c he made a post earlier and got onto Gikkle about "what if the WS hasn't claimed" and then lo and behold he's claiming WS

[Gikkle]

@powerofdeath @Auwt

If you two promise to claim afterwards, I will claim. What say you?

[Auwt]

So you don't think MM is a wolf? Because this post implies that you think the triad hidden's going to still have their role tonight.
plus we still have a bus driver

What I'm going to say is, I don't trust bakermir's claim at all.
Whether MM is getting attacked by bakermir or not, this is another story to unfold.

[bakermir]

Bus driver can claim and help us solve the game because you still have double protection
I have already breadcrumbed myself earlier and I am a dead man tonight so people should claim instead of panicking

[scumbot5679]

Is it possible that scum are Auwt and POD and they just want to hammer MM for the EZ win? sure but I don't think we can cover every possibility and we have to take a leap of faith here or there.

[Gikkle]

It's hard to be confident in MM being Triad when people like Auwt & PoD are the ones voting him lol

[Auwt]

Is it possible that scum are Auwt and POD and they just want to hammer MM for the EZ win? sure but I don't think we can cover every possibility and we have to take a leap of faith here or there.

I can hammer POD if you wish me to.

[Gikkle]

I don't buy baker's claim b/c he made a post earlier and got onto Gikkle about "what if the WS hasn't claimed" and then lo and behold he's claiming WS

One of their first posts in the thread hinted at a protective role, and if anything saying what baker said about a war surgeon is indicative of them having the claim in their head already.

Not sure if I believe the claim but it isn't completely weird

[scumbot5679]

I'm going to vote MM before I leave.

[Gikkle]

I can hammer POD if you wish me to.

-vote auwt

can you please just claim lol

[Auwt]

-vote auwt

can you please just claim lol

I, sadly for you, cannot.

[scumbot5679]

I think it's MM/Bake and ????

[bakermir]

I was thinking mm to be a triad but there are worlds where he is town same as scumbot can be town
I wanted to trustfall with auwt but they are openly powerwolfing
My reads were -2 earlier but now it is level 0

[scumbot5679]

Can triad be a WS? Crumbing a role and trying to make it seem like that role exists is mildy scummy to me or atleast I've lynched scum for doing that. lol

Did Bake ever say why he decided to protect MM?

[Gikkle]

-unvote

I don't understand people
role secrecy is not more important than solving the game lol


@Innovation @Auwt @powerofdeath @scumbot5679

I humbly ask that I get bus driven tonight, whoever the bus driver is

[Gikkle]

Can triad be a WS? Crumbing a role and trying to make it seem like that role exists is mildy scummy to me or atleast I've lynched scum for doing that. lol

Did Bake ever say why he decided to protect MM?

no, triad can't be WS.
According to them, baker thought MM was the bus driver

[Auwt]

-unvote

I don't understand people
role secrecy is not more important than solving the game lol


@Innovation @Auwt @powerofdeath @scumbot5679

I humbly ask that I get bus driven tonight, whoever the bus driver is

You truly are the Joker card.

[scumbot5679]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

[powerofdeath]

@powerofdeath @Auwt

If you two promise to claim afterwards, I will claim. What say you?

i will

[Gikkle]

i will

okay now I just need auwt to promise

[powerofdeath]

but thats up to you if you think both of us claiming is beneficial for the town

[Gikkle]

but thats up to you if you think both of us claiming is beneficial for the town

you AND auwt claiming is definitely beneficial
if I just get one or the other then it's not as helpful because most likely the one of you that's town is gonna be the one that claims

[Auwt]

you AND auwt claiming is definitely beneficial
if I just get one or the other then it's not as helpful because most likely the one of you that's town is gonna be the one that claims

If only this was the truth, and proven.

[powerofdeath]

you AND auwt claiming is definitely beneficial
if I just get one or the other then it's not as helpful because most likely the one of you that's town is gonna be the one that claims

so doesnt that make me the town one, not auwt then?

[bakermir]

I think the winning poe is auwt or innovation then see who is alive from mm gikkle pod scumbot
Innovation already claimed they are not bus driver so we should be considering this yeet they are more wolf than villager
Auwt started good but they seem very annoyed that mm wagon died they are powerwolfing
We will go into night knowing busdriver and war surgeon in the play, they can only kill one of us or maybe no kills
I will leave a legacy poe soon
Remember busdriver can solo win this for us please stop panicking the game is never ending as long as we yeet people like innovation or auwt

[scumbot5679]

just another perspective here but MM can still be triad while other triad want to kill their cooked buddy so they also appear like town.

[Auwt]

I think the winning poe is auwt or innovation then see who is alive from mm gikkle pod scumbot
Innovation already claimed they are not bus driver so we should be considering this yeet they are more wolf than villager
Auwt started good but they seem very annoyed that mm wagon died they are powerwolfing
We will go into night knowing busdriver and war surgeon in the play, they can only kill one of us or maybe no kills
I will leave a legacy poe soon
Remember busdriver can solo win this for us please stop panicking the game is never ending as long as we yeet people like innovation or auwt

I would be glad to see how Triad is going to handle the 3v3 if your story happen, but at the moment I'm more of trying to make the game a 4v2, sorry.

[bakermir]

I hope people understand why it makes no sense to vote mm
I am hardclaiming doc visit on mm
Triad can't out but I know there is a triad vote on mm
If you are town please unvote

[Gikkle]

so doesnt that make me the town one, not auwt then?

maybe
the longer y'all go without claiming the more likely you'd be able to come up with a fake claim if one of you was a wolf
so I suppose sure, it's technically a better look that you were willing to do that with me, but it means less considering how long you took to agree and the fact that you could have just bet on auwt not agreeing

w/e, i'm exhausted talking about this, people being stubborn about mech stuff when it's necessary to solve the game has always been a pet peeve of mine. If MM is scum, great, GL tomorrow, I'll probably be dead.
If mm is town, well, I tried to think about that world but certain people made it incredibly difficult for me... but then again y'all are probably triad if mm is town so I suppose it's fair play

[scumbot5679]

why does a doc visit on MM matter? Why did you vote MM earlier but now claiming that it makes no sense?