Well actually they say they thought that gikkle thought Ikarus was mafia.
But regardless though they sought to defuse the carol and give them enough room to not auto-vote Ikarus. Later in that day they vote Frinckles and start tussling with them.
Well actually they say they thought that gikkle thought Ikarus was mafia.
But regardless though they sought to defuse the carol and give them enough room to not auto-vote Ikarus. Later in that day they vote Frinckles and start tussling with them.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Also scum perspective slip from Stella here, tr Lol more than themselves. Yeah and Gikkle did say that he thought Frinckles thought he was town.
I think after Gikkle posted the carol, scumteam panicked. Frinckles kept insisting Gikkle was mafia, so I don’t believe scum thought he was CE but post Ren blank shot, Frinckles tried to get towncred for it.
And Stellaria didn’t have much of an opinion on Varcron, Zenon but they were oh so confident on Ikarus.
And pre-carol, stating that Ikarus can’t be scum with Frinckles. There’s nothing that suggests that it’s practically impossible for them to be aligned.
But since we know Stellaria’s scum, pretty damning.
Asks for input from people, but then says he's just focusing on the Frinckles/Gikkle interactions only ~11 hours later. The only post he made between that seemed invested in seeing input from people who are not Gikkle/Frinckles is this:
.....where he's looking for a Caroler as at the time Frinckles was fake-claiming caroler
He does make posts and interactions with other people eventually. But I feel like his priorities in that matter lied in finding the town Caroler.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Yeah I think a bit of panic did happen. Although I'm not sure how much considering Frinckles and Ikarusdk are people that voted for Carol to exist on actual day 1 of this game. I do think Stellaria panicked though, they didn't even vote for a role to be sent out by CE on night 1.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Prior to Ren failed shot on Gikkle, Frinckles kept saying Gikkle was mafia and would put one of his buddies in the carol.
I don’t think he’d say that if he thought Gikkle was CE but it’s suicidal for scum to hardpush CE like that, so scum thinking Gikkle was town makes more sense and as you pointed out. Stellaria changed their tune after Gikkle flipped CE.
Had Stellaria believed that Gikkle would flip CE, probably wouldn’t have been pushing Ikarus, so it points to thinking he was town.
I’m going to crash soon. Unless Ikarus actually does something, I probably won’t wait until EoD to end the game but I think it’s pretty obvious now.
Despite stating all of the above, they say they'll need "further convincing" to vote Stellaria over Loldebite IF the carol from Frinckles (Frinckle's fake-claim) was redirected from Ikarus onto Gikkle.
This is more about fishing for the real caroler, but it does slip that for some reason Stellaria is someone he is reluctant to vote.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
@Nancy Drew 39
I'm about to exhaust all the searches I can do on ISOs. There's not much in Ikarus' ISO that is definitve. I'm scraping the barrel here.
So if you ended the game now you probably wouldn't be missing much.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Yeah you find yourself having perhaps 15-20 min every 5-6 hours, and tell me I have not 'actually done something'. This is quite insulting to hear that I have not done anything since this morning. I've done my best to answer your questions but because you disagreed with everything I have said, apparently I have done nothing. See why I don't want to spend any more time?
I do wanna say that I've come to learn that Nancy can be a bit abrasive. There's other stuff that ticked me off a bit but given the consistency of their behavior I don't think its intended to be hurtful or anything. It would be nice if they could word things better, but I've grown to learn that its very difficult to change that.
I hope you don't take Nancy's words too harshly Ikarus. You've played really well throughout the game and your team has done so too. You guys while wolfing have to anticipate stuff that is light-years away, because really some of the stuff we're finding on you guys is only because this is the F3 and we know X, Y, and Z. Had it been some other F3, the points that exist today may have not been as apparent or even proven. Not to mention you all had to deal with the pressures of a caroler early on.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
If you can widen your perspective and not ignore 95% of my posts, I'm willing to engage.
You are entitled to form your own opinion and I welcome to hear them and I'm here to help but I'm not spending what limited time I have just to be told no after I actively tried to engage with you.
I can take abrasive. I can dismiss downright abusive behaviour (but you wouldn't see that here) but things that frustrate me the most is when someone asks you a series of questions and you take your time to answer them, they keep asking the same question several times and tells you that you gotta do more because 1) they did not read the posts 2) they are so set in their mind that nothing you say will change them, it's like they are asking questions not to seek new information, but simply to ignore them
And when I get frustrated, I become someone that I later regret, which is me right now.
I'm going to catch up and read your posts about Stellaria and Frinckles now and do my ISO
I don't think I got any good words for that. At least, not since I am a player here.
Sucks if you are feeling this way regardless of alignment though. I didn't have much or any reason to interact with your posts because I didn't need to interject into your conversations with Nancy.
I appreciate that you've tried though. Its cool of you that you did, and it would make me disappointed if I just rolled over your slot just because you didn't try arguing with Nancy.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Us all trying here, regardless of whether or not we acknowledge each other to the fullest, adds meaning to whoever wins or loses here fmpov. So even if you don't feel like you're getting anything out of it but spite, I can assure you I am benefitting from it (as a general Forum Mafia player) no matter how this game goes and I appreciate it.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
I am not sure how to quote the VC, and not sure if this is allowed but here (frinkcles/stellaria vote history). The format will be terrible.
Frinckles Voted For Ikarusdk 241 1 Placeholder
BusterCannon Voted For Renegade 248 1 Placeholder
ItalianoVD Voted For BusterCannon 256 1 Placeholder
Gikkle Voted For Renegade 319 1 Placeholder
Nancy Drew 39 Voted For BusterCannon 355 1 Placeholder
Auwt Voted For Yoshida 368 1 Placeholder
Renegade Voted For Yoshida 446 1 Placeholder
MartinGG99 Voted For Gikkle 454 1 Placeholder
Gikkle Voted For ItalianoVD 466 1 Placeholder
Gikkle Voted For Auwt 468 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For Ikarusdk 564 1 Placeholder
Ikarusdk Voted For Auwt 610 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Yoshida 611 1 Placeholder
Ikarusdk Voted For MartinGG99 631 1 Placeholder
ItalianoVD Unvoted 667 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For Loldebite 673 1 Placeholder
Renegade Voted For MartinGG99 701 1 Placeholder
Nancy Drew 39 Unvoted 720 1 Placeholder
Ikarusdk Voted For Auwt 771 1 Placeholder
MartinGG99 Unvoted 822 1 Placeholder
Frinckles Voted For Yoshida 858 1 Placeholder
BusterCannon Voted For Yoshida 860 1 Placeholder
MartinGG99 Voted For Yoshida 870 1 Placeholder
ItalianoVD Voted For Auwt 887 1 Placeholder
Renegade Voted For Auwt 904 1 Placeholder
MartinGG99 Voted For Auwt 922 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Gikkle 925 1 Placeholder
Nancy Drew 39 Voted For Awt 939 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Yoshida 946 1 Placeholder
Nancy Drew 39 Voted For Auwt 948 1 Placeholder
Frinckles Voted For Gikkle 979 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Gikkle 980 1 Placeholder
Renegade Voted For MartinGG99 1057 1 Placeholder
Renegade Unvoted 1058 1 Placeholder
Frinckles Voted For Gikkle 1110 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Gikkle 1114 1 Placeholder
Ikarusdk Voted For JeremiahSablan 1121 1 Placeholder
Nancy Drew 39 Voted For Loldebites 1165 1 Placeholder
MartinGG99 Voted For BusterCannon 1178 1 Placeholder
Renegade Voted For Stellaria 1192 1 Placeholder
Stellaria Voted For Ikarusdk 1198 1 Placeholder
Frinckles Voted For Gikkle 1207 1 Placeholder
Renegade Unvoted 1216 1 Placeholder
MartinGG99 Voted For Gikkle 1229 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Unvote 1311 1 Placeholder
Ikarusdk Unvoted 1374 1 Placeholder
Gikkle Voted For Stellaria 1390 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For Frinckles 1478 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Stellaria 1525 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Ikarusdk 1583 1 Placeholder
MartinGG99 Voted For Stellaria 1596 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Unvote 1611 1 Placeholder
Ikarusdk Voted For Gikkles 1620 1 Placeholder
Ikarusdk Voted For Gikkle 1622 1 Placeholder
Stellaria Voted For Gikkle 1662 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Frinckles 1681 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Unvote 1768 1 Placeholder
MartinGG99 Unvoted 1801 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For Gikkle 1810 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For MartinGG99 1837 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Renegade 1871 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Unvote 1882 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Gikkle 1885 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For Gikkle 1919 1 Placeholder
Nancy Drew 39 Voted For Gikkle 1922 1 Placeholder
Renegade Voted For Gikkle 1962 1 Placeholder
Gikkle Voted For Skip 1974 1 Placeholder
Gikkle Unvoted 1975 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Unvote 2027 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Frinckles 2043 1 Placeholder
MartinGG99 Voted For Gikkle 2046 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Unvote 2060 1 Placeholder
Renegade Voted For Frinckles 2117 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Gikkle 2119 1 Placeholder
Frinckles Voted For Unvote 2123 1 Placeholder
Gikkle Voted For Frinckles 2124 1 Placeholder
Renegade Unvoted 2125 1 Placeholder
Gikkle Unvoted 2126 1 Placeholder
Frinckles Voted For Gikkle 2128 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Frinckles 2133 1 Placeholder
Zenon Voted For Frinckles 2140 1 Placeholder
Loldebite Voted For Frinckles 2158 1 Placeholder
MartinGG99 Voted For Frinckles 2160 1 Placeholder
Zenon Voted For Frinckles 2170 1 Placeholder
Frinckles Voted For Yoshida 2185 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For Yoshida 2189 1 Placeholder
Frinckles Voted For Stellaria 2190 1 Placeholder
Nancy Drew 39 Voted For Frinckles 2192 1 Placeholder
Ikarusdk Voted For Yoshida 2201 1 Placeholder
Renegade Voted For Frinckles 2203 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For Ikarusdk 2208 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For Frinckles 2258 1 Placeholder
Stellaria Voted For Frinckles 2288 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For Ikarusdk 2330 1 Placeholder
Frinckles Voted For Renegade 2433 1 Placeholder
Zenon Voted For Stellaria 2442 1 Placeholder
Renegade Voted For Stellaria 2472 1 Placeholder
Frinckles Voted For Yoshida 2480 1 Placeholder
Frinckles Voted For Renegade 2501 1 Placeholder
Renegade Voted For Yoshida 2516 1 Placeholder
Renegade Voted For Stellaria 2519 1 Placeholder
Frinckles Voted For Yoshida 2524 1 Placeholder
Frinckles Voted For YOSHIDA 2543 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For Yoshida 2560 1 Placeholder
Stellaria Voted For Yoshida 2569 1 Placeholder
Varcron Voted For Stellaria 2572 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For Frinckles 2578 1 Placeholder
Zenon Voted For Vacron 2584 1 Placeholder
Renegade Voted For Frinckles 2590 1 Placeholder
Varcron Voted For Frinckles 2593 1 Placeholder
Zenon Voted For Frinckles 2601 1 Placeholder
Ikarusdk Voted For Frinckles 2616 1 Placeholder
MartinGG99 Voted For Yoshida 2632 1 Placeholder
Nancy Drew 39 Voted For Stellaria 2635 1 Placeholder
Nancy Drew 39 Voted For Yoshida 2653 1 Placeholder
Ikarusdk Voted For Yoshida 2674 1 Placeholder
Renegade Voted For Yoshida 2678 1 Placeholder
Varcron Voted For Yoshida 2747 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For Renegade 2770 1 Placeholder
Zenon Voted For Yoshida 2816 1 Placeholder
Yoshida Voted For Nancy Drew 39 2892 1 Placeholder
Nancy Drew 39 Voted For Yoshida 2897 1 Placeholder
Nancy Drew 39 Voted For Skip 2930 1 Placeholder
I'm gonna head off for now. I'll be occasionally checking for any @'s for the next few hours then going to sleep. I'll wake up around 5-6 hours before when EoD actually happens.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
actually y'know what I'll see if I can Microsoft Word magic that VC into colors and ect so its easier to understand
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
That's fine, I appreciate it. One of the reasons for my respect for you as a player.
I wouldn't say spite, but frustration can build up I suppose and I easily let that get to me. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy all the aspect of mafia and playing with all participants (i need to fix my attitude though when i get frustrated, gotta remember to chill, people can't see into my mind)
I'm here to play but also to learn. I've learned few tips and tricks here in this game alone so I'm happy even if I lose.
this is a preliminary colored VC
non-colored names should be confirmed town I believe (unless there's any typo'ed names there)
Spoiler : :
Sidenote took a few extra minutes to figure out because I was including optional quotation marks in the code and apparently this website absolutely hates the quotation marks I was using. So I had to remove them.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Well, its not the full VC. But its basically up till the start of the day where we vote off Zenon.
Or something like that. Also Unvote is not colored so be mindful of that.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Doing Quick ISO on Stellaria.
I don't see Frinckles + Stella to be a distance+bussing type. Except for voting each other in one occasion, they were more focused on Gikkle and then yoshida. Ren was voted on two occaions by Frinckles but not by Stellaraia.
I still do not see how I would fit into Frinckles+Stellaria team, considering I was pretty much against their views. Yeah I admit that I thought Frinckles was telling the truth about sending me the carol because nothing could prove that he did not because of Mech reasons, plus there was no CC so I had to work with what I have and believe Frinckles. TBH the gambit I thought Gikkle was pulling off did make sense to me at the time. In hindsight this is a completely wrong view of course. But for the rest of the game I don't think I shared any worldview with them? If I was scum, wouldn't it make more sense to push the same agenda? Both Frinckles and Stellaria wanted Yoshida out. I was with them at first, but I changed my mind to jailing yoshida later on upon realising there is no risk for jailing him instead. Only after Renegade told me that yoshida is getting yeeted and I saw that there was not going to be any change in votes, I decided it was fine because, what the hell, I could've been right about my initial feeling about yoshida. You could of course argue that the outcome did not change, but I was quite vocal about jailing yoshida instead, which is by going VC alone, I was going against the mafia team decision to lynch yoshida out.
in response to
IDK, the fludity of the interaction does not sit right with me (just a feeling), although it's perhaps nothing telling here.
Further examples of Frinckles/Stellaria interaction. They are pretty well in sync throughout the game (more examples below this interaction around post #485 https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post984742) and I still would not see myself fitting well here.
First read list by Stellaria - reads well into me, puts Frinckles in Scumlean, leaves me out from his list but then starts hard focusing me from this point on. This whole chain of posts feel very rigid, very forced? I am unsure if I came out as jailor at this point or later, but thing that is certain is that Stellaria paints me hard as scum because I'm probably the easiest target. Note that Frinckles stays in Scumread in Stella's later read list (and these aren't far apart).
I should've probably noticed this early. But this makes me think that Stella isn't the type to hardpush her teammate in order to distance. She was very lenient on Frinckles, her interaction with Frinckles were very fluid, very social, and even after Stellaria puts Frinckles in Scumlean, she does not pursue this. Instead, she finds reasons to push me. And this view stays till she is shot. My interaction with her was not very social pretty polar opposite to Frinckles-Stellaria, given that I was annoyed she was scumreading me for bad reasons.
I don't know if this means anything to anyone, but I'm trying to look for reasons in Frinckle's and Stellaria's ISO why I am not associated with them.
I mean, I'd like to think that my entire game play has been pretty independent of how the mafia team had played? Sure, I ended up going along with some of their antics, but it was because of my own shortsightness, not because I was actively engaged in their agenda.
Note, I came out as Jailor much later than the quotes above.
Something I just noticed during quick ISOing the mafia team is, how limited their interaction is with MartinGG. I don't know if it's due to Martin being busy IRL or it means something more significant.
This is the only time Stella votes Frinckles. She quickly changes this view later on to
and holds onto this until she dies.
I don't know if you will take that as distancing/bus, but because I am defending myself here, I'd like to argue that Frinckles/Stellaria don't seem to be distancing/bussing type and if they were, they are quick to rescind it (example above), where as both Frinckles and Stellaria continue to push against me.
This is the post following immediately after Stellaria's post. This does shade me in bad light because I am essentially advocating for an alternative scenario where Frinckles did give me the carol, but again this is because I had believed it was the case so I was forced to come up with something that would explain why it might be. At the time I did not know why people thought Gikkle was CE. Actually I remember being suspicious of people calling Gikkle CE because nothing pointed out to me as to why he might be the CE, so it sounded like a TMI? or at least a gambit to paint him as CE as an effort to save him from the lynch. This made sense in my head at the time. Mafia!Gikkle's gambit failed and backfired, now getting pushed so Loldebite was painting him as CE, something I personally did not susepct him to be, and since Scumhunting is better than hunting for CE at that point in the game, it further strenghtened my suspicion that Gikkle's gambit did happen and it ended up failing.
Heck, I don't even know what I'm trying to prove anymore. I don't even know what I'm trying to look for.
I should probably go do some stuff and come back with fresher state of mind.
Yes I agree it is a misplay if i was scum. I would lik to argue that this is more of a reason to TR me. I should obviously jail whoever I suspect more here because my first priority is to jail the next person I TR less, to prevent NK and find the scum that way. Jailing someone because I'm thinking about who would be easier to lynch is scum line of thinking. FMPOV, with Varcron IC, Nancy vs Martin, if I can jail nancy because I TR her less than Martin, and prevent the NK we win the next day.
I just woke up and am really out of it, so will comment on other stuff later.
For now, I just want to say OUCH to this.
I wasn’t intending to be abrasive or offend, upset or hurt anyone here. Yoshida called me “emotionally unstable” and nobody said that wasn’t okay. I didn’t make a big deal of it but I did consider it below the belt.
I also don’t think my comment about if Ikarus does something to be remotely abrasive because between the chat and last night when I had made that comment, that was my honest impression, so I don’t see why I should apologize for that?
I am sorry if I hurt/upset/offended anyone in this game. Tbf to me, I was efforting so fucking much here only to have people - well other than Lol, Ren and Zen, not seeing it. When I play this obvtown and I’m still getting incomprehensibly sr, I eventually gets to me because I don’t think everyone was critically reading my posts, play:
For example: continually pointing out that Lol’s plan made the most logical sense. It’s extremely frustrating that people were still sr me. There are lots of other things but since I’m IC, there’s not much point in casing myself obviously but there’s damned good reasons that Lol, Ren and Zen tr me that other people weren’t seeing.
And you need to be “abrasive” to some extent. For example, I grilled both Zenon and Stellaria really hard. It helped Zenon to look more townie and conversely Stellaria more scummy. I still have no idea what they (Stella) meant with the comment that they don’t have to take whatever especially from me. I interpreted maybe because I’m new to the site? No idea.
So unless you can provide specific examples, I don’t really think I’ve done anything wrong.
But it is true, my intentions are extremely rarely intended to hurt anyone but I’m human and get frustrated like everyone else.
But I am working on being calmer but it got really frustrating after awhile, because I thought it was really obvious that my play made no sense as scum and I’m not sorry for pushing people hard. Sometimes that’s necessary to make things happen.
I honestly don’t know what more I can say about this but I would really prefer you give me some specific examples here because to make that comment in general. just kind’ve hurt my feelings without actually helping me to know where I could be improving on. \_0_/
I also did say - repeatedly - that I thought Ikarus has played extremely well. What I very much dislike is when I feel manipulated and I will call that out when I think it’s happening and he also brought up Yoshida’s post and that also upset me for the reasons I just explained.
Ftr, I have very much enjoyed playing on this site, this game and the playerlist and am eager to play more games if I am still welcome?
Sorry but that post by Martin kind’ve stings. I appreciate that the intention was to make Ikarus feel better and not upset me but it nevertheless still did.
So Martin, please provide examples to me where you feel “I ticked you off” and hopefully I can explain or rectify my behaviour.
Thanks.
@MartinGG99
That isn’t what I’ve said at all.
To be extremely clear:
I thought you did plenty until Yoshida flip and fell off from there. I was specifically referring to d6 and d7 until last night. I was specifically referring to you not looking up posts like Martin has.
I in no way intended that to be an insult. I felt really frustrated because it seemed that you were expecting me to agree with you solely based on your opinion and not much else. I even beseeched you to do more like what Martin has done. I also get tilted when I feel manipulated but I’ll try my best to tone that down. I very much 1000% respect your all around play in this game and you as a player. I do think in general, you have played extremely well and if you’re mafia here - which. (remember I haven’t been able yet to critically analyze any new posts about the game) - I’m still currently leaning that way.
I think you’re in an extremely difficult position here because of mech and I sincerely do empathize with that. I in no way intended anything I said to you to be interpreted as an insult. I hope that makes you feel better. I’m truly sorry my words upset you. That was 100% not my intention
@ikarusdk
I will admit that diplomacy is generally not my strong suit and that and tact are things I do sometimes struggle with and am trying all the time to improve upon. I very rarely mean anything ever hurtful or mean spirited by it however.
So again, very sincere apologies to anyone here I have offended.
@Nancy Drew 39
I think I need to work on my social skills more, I didn't mean to offend you. I didn't mean to single you out specifically, and should've emphasized more the general idea that everyone in general can unintentionally miscommunicate or hurt others accidentally. In other words, I meant that your behavior was expected of a typical human being imo. I don't think oyu've had any malice nor was this miscommunication a cause of you simply not caring. A bit of further explanation:
IRL I am a person on the autism spectrum (specifically Asperger's Syndrome before it was moved into the spectrum), and that meant that I grew up with developmental difficulties in socializing. This isn't say I am trying to excuse any of my behaviors -- they're not excusable. Hurt is hurt, pain is pain regardless if its excused or not. To quote a line I like to keep in mind "...now nobody intended it, but that's what happened". Since I've had more difficulties than others I've made communicating effectively and understanding effectively one of my focuses in life. Eventually I got preety good at doing that, or at least enough to be fully functional in life with respect to socializing, but I soon discovered that a lot of people take communication for granted. They will make mistakes and this is because communication is actually a challenging thing to do. Its very difficult to get it right for most people, and that includes people who aren't autistic. The best way to avoid that is to not take communication skills for granted, but even so one will still make mistakes here or there just as I have made mistakes to you today.
This overall has taught me that some people will just naturally cause offense and without just trying to instruct the whole world on social interactions (which might as well seem very condescending since people take communication for granted), and so I typically accept what happens and then move on. There's also the whole other side of the coin, in which a person much perceive offense in order to be offended. This has happened to me a few times as well, where I felt offended (and perhaps wrongly so) just because someone used a different wording with the same definitive meaning of a common phrase. Had the used the more common wording, I wouldn't have felt offense in those cases at all, so it feels weird to say I would be offended with a similar wording. Humans are complex beings and in order to make communication happen a lot goes on with the brain and different organs of the body. However Humans can be fallible, and honestly, humans having the ability to even sometimes communicate effectively and without offense is a preety significant evolutionary achievement because so many things had to be evolved in order to make that work.
I don't hold any ill will to you (or anyone else in this game for that matter), and was just trying to communicate to Ikarus that idea. I clearly did not achieve that though when I used you as a topic instead of referring to people in general.
As for wondering about what offenses you've caused to me, I don't really recall anything super specific or significant. Like I said, it was more of a general feel of potential abrasion than anything bad or hurtful to me. I think as far as recent stuff goes its just this:
...Which felt like blaming me? I may have misread that one. The other one I can think of was this snippet from a larger post:
Early into the day I tried to emphasize everyone has played well regardless of who wins here. You stating this kinda felt like you didn't care about that idea as much, and so it made me concerned if you were abrasive. Nobody likes being blamed for a loss, y'know. But I do realize you're a very emotional player and were probably just trying to vent somehow here. I didn't bring it up earlier because I figured it would be best for everyone if I didn't, and just tried to re-emphasize my ideas later.
Both of these "mistakes" though I honestly find other people making accidentally. Heck if I were frustrated at the game myself, I may have even made these messages myself.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
"a bit of further explanation"
me: goes on to write several paragraphs
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Yeah and I should've known better. I should've wrote more comprehensively about it but I didn't and I paid the price by unintentionally offending you.
I'm a big fan of the idea (though I tend to not expect it of others; its just an ideal) that if a problem happens then that problem should be attempted to solve regardless of people's intentions or responsibilities on it. Like, just because I hypothetically cause a problem with the most wholesome and positive intentions does not excuse myself from trying to fix the problem where I can or where I find appropriate. Also, like, If nobody tries to fix the problem then who will? Feelings should be properly addressed, not dismissed just because harm was caused by good-will.
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Oh and if it isn't clear
I do appreciate basically everyone in this game.
Except Clemens. If that was an oliwaz alt then they were never intending to care about the game in the first place.
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It must be a weird reading experience for all the spectators to see this day get turned into a discussion about offenses and misunderstandings though lol
But I prefer it that way. I much rather do a F3 in a way that tries to ensure people have the best experience than to focus solely on my objectives. I haven't read a bad F3 in a long time (except for the one I sorta did by 180'ing on my TR a few months ago), but I know F3s can be really bad experience for some people even if things turn out to be a win. I think some of them have been controversial in MU champs history, but I can't recall any off the top of my head.
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Sorry, I’m not sure how to do spoiler tags yet.
Anyway, I appreciate what you’ve said here and I can relate. I am also neurodivergent with ADHD, Dyslexia and possibly autism as well. It’s true I’m emotional but I offentimes just speak my mind without being aware that it sometimes needs to be filtered as not to come across abrasive.
Wrt the first example you gave. It read to me that you would have tr Ikarus and sr me had he broke his promise to me and jk’d you, which would obviously had meant we’d autolose here.
Wrt the second: As I am the kingmaker it’s 100% on me to vote correctly here and my point was that if I do mess up, it might have possibly been prevented by us skipping the previous day.
So frmpov, both of these seem to be very logical thought processes but I understand how it comes across like I’m shaming or blaming.
To me, it was just stating facts but it’s 100% on me for expressing those thoughts in such an antagonistic way. I was in a game at lylo and voted wrong and one player pretty much racked me over the coals. In that particular game, the mod gave out really crazy roles and that was a huge part of it.
You did clarify later that you were obviously mistaken in alignment reading that decision from Ikarus but yeah I could have said it better but I hope you can understand why the first post weirded me out and as for the blame thing, it was a pre-emptive attempt to avoid being yelled at in case I screwed up. I no longer think that’s particularity likely to happen and another huge problem for me is a lack of confidence.
Anyway, I’m very glad we had this discussion.
Spoiler tags are a bit silly on this website because you have the specify the title of the spoiler.
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or
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The space is important.
I was able to to show it because the oh-so-wonderful [ noparse] and [ /noparse] commands.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"