Would you have given a gun to Zenon believing he would likely shoot Varcron instead of Stellaria?
He also said he thought you had the gun but intended to give it to me.
But I couldn’t find a single post varifiying that.
And he didn’t want to vote out Stellaria who wasn’t even in his PoE.
At the same time though, that is exactly why I am side eyeing you a bit.
Look, I am not taking his side. but let me explain why he did it.
He KNEW stellaria was scum.
town!yoshida because he knows he is town, his next POE was either Zenon/Varcron.
By giving a gun to Zenon and forcing her to shoot Varcron, he thought it would solve either of them, because if Varcron flips T, Zenon is W. Also the other way around.. Why that clears Zenon I am not sure (and correct me if this is wrong yoshida).
He was not trying to protect Stellaria. He ASKED me to jail stellaria tonight.
That is why he kept insisting he should not be jailed before stella flipped.
Also I was trying to put myself in yoshida's shoes
because scum!yoshida making such claims and plays..... that's just open wolfing.
Having said that, I don't know why yoshida just didn't want Zenon to shoot Stellaria?
Look, we can make up our minds when martin/renegade and varcron show up again.
so far it is
yeet yoshida - zenon,nancy
jail yoshida - ikarus
yeet another, jail another or shida - yoshida
That’s what I’m saying. He gave Zenon the gun expecting her to shoot Varcron.
Your argument is that town!Yoshida would consider Stellaria clear from the nk but he gave Zenon the gun before that, because he expected her to shoot Varcron.
So, hypothetical town!Yoshida had no reason to think Stellaria could be town before that.
That’s the part that doesn’t add up with your argument.
Also Strllaria was the scum in both mine and Gikkle’s carol.
That’s why I think he’s scum. Town!him doesn’t give the gun to someone he expected not to shoot Stellaria.
Had he given the gun to anyone other than the one of the subs, I’d probably be a lot more inclined to consider your argument.
But imo, him giving Zenon the gun expecting her to shoot Varcron is scummy. Yoshida had very good reason to believe that you, me, Martin, Ren would in all likelihood shoot Stellaria, so why didn’t he give a gun to one of them?
Why the one slot who claimed to tr Stellaria?
That’s the problem with your argument. Had he given the gun to you, me, Martin or Ren. then changed his mind post-flip, I could then maybe see your point.
But he gave it to Zenon expecting her to shoot Varcron not Stellaria.
The way I see it: town!Yoshida gives the gun to someone he thinks is very likely to shoot Stellaria. If post-flip he argues for a different target, I could see town doing that but that isn’t what happened.
hey I have no problem with getting jailed. and I think you should consider my proposal of jailing someone else too. We have been the good cop / bad cop since CE flip and the mafia narrative haven't changed past two days. but its also ok with me if you end up jailing me today and not jail your top SR then we can discuss reads and you can pass me your LW/POE tomorrow and I can give a gun to whomever you think is the best choice. What I understand from OOO, I will be able to give a gun if mafia kills you while jailing me. I might be wrong about this though. we can check with host.
also, there is no redemption for Nancy's tunnel. I have tried my best with them. One thing that is more dangerous than a mafia is a tunneling town trying to eliminate a PR. i can't even justify this tunnel as WIFOM to protect me today. They are just anti-town at this point and I don't know what to do if I get the greencheck tomorrow. I literally have no one here besides you trying to solve the game.
where is the ice cream in this joint
There is a same answer to the question: why did Zenon want a gun last EOD?
I have already explained today why I wanted to clear the carol pool first before moving on to the other pool. I have boxed the scum and only thing that lets last mafia out of that box is to get me or you (COPS) voted out today or a skip vote.
We still had Stellaria under our leash even if Zenon decided to shoot a possible t!Varcron or me or you. IF they did this then it would have outed them. I am also repeating this too that I have picked Zenon instead of Varcron from the pool because Zenon was more town than Varcron in my eyes.
Let's look at the other pool of players for possible gun candidates:
Your stellaria jail call was another WIFOM last EOD. This meant you could as well jail lolde for protection or tried to stop your next SR after stellaria- or jail stellaria.
Renegade who refused to shoot Frinckles way before we figured out there is a bomber.
Martin- I SR as much as Ren due to association with Frinckles D2(auwt lynch day) and to some extent D3(gikkle lynch day).
Nancy who received a carol and outed a possible mafia. Potential NK/Jail
Loldebite the Caroler. Potential NK/Jail
These 4 would probably shoot me first and eliminate Stellaria next and completely get away with it.. It would benefit mafia more than Town.
My decision of giving a gun between Varcron/Zenon was the right play even though it might come off weird but you are a cop too so you should understand.
where is the ice cream in this joint
I everybody else wants it I’ll vote skip if Ikarus commits to jailkeeping you. I think it’s you though and you’re not swaying me.
Caroler - Forced to visit one person each night. If the person did no night action, it will listen to Caroler's Song. The song will name 3 people and at least one of the name are mafia. The names can be any alive players including the listener and the Caroler. If the person did a night action, they will ignore the song and get no feedback.
At least one. Guaranteed 1 but the carol could hypothetically be 3 scum.
Keeping yoshida alive is as much a liability as if we kept Frinckles alive.
He keeps spinning strange stories that make no sense.
Frinckles' ego was to bus Yoshida hard.
Why wouldn't Yoshida give Nancy the gun over Zenon?
Anyone who shot Frinckles would have died because he was mafia bomber. And he wanted to clear carol pool but Stellaria was in both, so once again, Yoshida’s making no sense.
It was beyond obvious also that Stellaria and Frinckles were buddies based upon their terrible scum theatre and it makes no sense for any town gunsmith to give the gun to a player who made it seem like they would shoot Varcron over Stellaria.
Guess I'm not as cleared as I thought I'd be off that. What I am though is town.
My point was that Yoshida claimed to want to clear carol names but Stellaria was in both mine and Gikkle’s and he had every reason to believe you would shoot Varcron instead of Stellaria. So I’m saying it’s suss on HIM to give you the gun for that reason but you shot Stellaria despite him pushing you to shoot Varcron. I think had you done what he asked, he would be pushing you for it, despite him urging you to do that.
I think Yoshida!town wouldn’t have given you the gun, my post wasn’t about you because you shot correctly.
I am probably never moving my vote
Caroler - Forced to visit one person each night. If the person did no night action, it will listen to Caroler's Song. The song will name 3 people and at least one of the name are mafia. The names can be any alive players including the listener and the Caroler. If the person did a night action, they will ignore the song and get no feedback.
Yes.
I literally thought I cleared myself and got so happy... this is less cool lol
I'm vibing out to my theme song
@ikarusdk hey buddy
if you die, the person you jail is greenchecked. if you don't die then you got the mafia. you already know this anyway.
whoever you jail tonight, make sure to pass your reads/poe to them as if they are town. also please try to merge your reads with mine before finalizing everything in your head.
here is my LW. You can also refer back to my defense wallpost if you need further understanding of my pov.
since we are not voting varcron/renegade today thanks to nancy:
poe should be nancy>varcron>renegade>martin/zenon
nancy have shown crazy amount of activity for a 6v1 elimination on a town PR. i can tell from experience; i have done a similar play like nancy as mafia and managed to win a 1v6 game before against "goats" by appealing to emotions and the crazy posting. also the way she refuses to acknowledge the fact that s!GS would always arm their team for ez kills while asserting her "oh look at my im so town" because she had a carol and outed one mafia is the biggest fallacy here in their logic, if not hypocritical and stupid.. Conclusion: This could very well be a mafia that bussed their FPS and redchecked partners out. trust me people tend to forget who the mafia is coming to LyLo. take her down before it is too late.
also don't trust their "hey i offered to jail yoshida for a skip" card. that's all fake.
i suggest you jail one in martin/zenon. both are strong players and if we get a green check on one then they can take the lead tomorrow. there is also a good chance you stop a mafia here. if the other is mafia, it is still better than losing the game at the hands of someone emotionally unstable, hard tunneling and potentially the biggest mafia candidate.
this is for intentionally failing to reason and only focusing on winning arguments rather than thinking straight.
-vote Nancy Drew 39
i am out of this game. i enjoyed my days and happy with my performance. i got another game to play tomorrow and i couldn't care more that people decide to listen to fallacies while I have presented the facts and a better solve. surely it isn't the end of the world for town if I get yeeted- I don't feel bad departing like this..
gl to rest of town and cheers to the ones that have fallen regardless of alignment- it was a pleasure playing with most of you guys.
and thank you for hosting pod! you are great
where is the ice cream in this joint
this is for intentionally failing to reason and only focusing on winning arguments rather than thinking straight.
-vote Nancy Drew 39
-vote Yoshida
In case my quoting Yoshida’s post messed things up.
I’ve never thought more clearly.