Have you missed all of my arguments for how Frinckles could be something that benefits from this gambit?
Mayor, Vengeful, Blackmailer, Blacksmith. All of these benefit from such a play.
I imagine fabricator shoots a blank, rather than "doesn't have any kind of public announcement at all"
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This argument isn't good though, because CE can win with mafia as long as the mafia isn't entirely comprised of 3 PRs.
So mafia effectively has 4 votes right now. 3 mafia, 1 CE. They thus only need 1 extra NK and 1 mislynch to bring it to parity.
Mayor would achieve this. Vengeful would semi-achieve this (it wouldn't end the game but it would be a lot of value for the mafia). Blacksmith would achieve this. Blackmailer would achieve this.
Well that's it I'm tilted I'll see you tomorow
gl with this shitfest & good night
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Probably. But that doesn't mean they're right because I missed them.
Mayor benefits from a lot of situations -- it gets more relative power later in the game so long as its alive. Just becuase it would benefit from this situation doesn't make it any more likely.
Nobody has claimed being blackmailed.
I guess I could see an argument for vengeful if:
1) Frinckles is the vengeful
2) Some other mafia is the true caroler and is keeping their mouth shut.
3) CE, whoever that is, decided to hand out a risky vengeful that could kill CE
Blacksmith could? But I don't see them as being mafia atm because they gave the gun to Renegade and Renegade's handling of the gun from the posts that I've read. I should probably read up on those though over night.
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No it isn't?
7v4
5v4 after mislynch. If mayor, 5v6. If blackmailer, 4v5 (town is forced to vote town). If blacksmith, 4v4 (mafia has extra kill). Vengeful doesn't make it mylo, but it is a very high value play, as it's 2 town for 1 mafia, as well as forcing a lot of claims.
Honestly I feel like this counter-argument banks a lot of its persuasiveness sorta like "the ends justify the means" style; the possible end-result that you describe here somehow signifies that whatever happening today is heading towards that end
The point that CE could side with Mafia is a decent one. But CE would have to figure whether or not the PRs are the mafia. Since neither alignment know each other for certain, trust and confidence has to be built. And that trust or confidence can be shaken for a number of reasons.
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Actually
I think Gikkle has to be CE and Frinckles has to be scum.
Which makes no sense
The only reason people have to really suspect me is based on Frinckles' word. But to believe Frinckles' word, you have to believe he doesn't sufficiently benefit from this gambit. The possibility of four different roles that would make this gambit worth it for S!Frinckles should be reason enough for people to actually try and go back and actually analyze my day play, which is something I know I can win with because my day play is obviously town.
Blacksmith: You're correct about that.
Vengeful: I didn't read the last line. You're correct. But assumptions #1 and #2 still remain.
Blackmailer: I don't find it likely that the mafia would waste their power on someone like a dead person. Use it on an influential town and their ability to adapt and pressure people will be diminished significantly. Sure, blackmailer could benefit, but they've already taken the step of not benefitting it. Is benefitting it really their goal and a factor in their decision-making here?
Mayor: All the more reason CE may have not wanted to hand out a mayor role.
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Well, then you suspect me of being CE - but even then I think how I've played is like, abundantly not CE? Like, why would I fake claim carol as CE? You could make the argument that I'd do it as mafia for a 1-1 trade, but CE loses after being lynched. What's the play there?
+ the fact that you survived a shot, which puts your word in doubt. But yes, I believe overall Frinckles doesn't benefit from the situation. Maybe there are super-edge-specific cases where that does exist, but honestly I don't expect any player to realize those beneficial gambits and plays with the circumstances that appeared early in this day phase. If Frinckles somehow is mafia, just burn him at the sake in every future game where something like an extreme gambit happens.
Generally, if a town puts a lot of effort into the day and they die, I will read it regardless of whether it is useful. But frankly, in the case that you're town, I might not read everything you say. Primarily because I've gotten tired of reading so many posts for this day phase and the fact that (it seems) most of them are discussing the same darn thing.
I do respect the amount of posting and effort you've put into this day though. I just won't have the energy/willingness to read it all. Also I'll have to consider and read some other slots as well over the night.
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I do agree with Ikarus that the last PR should claim though
I don't think that's an optimal use. In fact, come to think of it, considering this setup needs to concentrate votes otherwise non-voters cause a skip, Blackmailer's power is greater than it seems.
Yeah, that's a reason mayor could be handed out for. But that exact argument could apply to most of the roles that CE could hand out. Either killed by mafia, or killed by town. Few exists that are likely to not be given special attention by either alignment.
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Welp, I gotta switch to my phone now.
Don't expect complex posts from me for the rest of EoD.
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@ikarusdk in the scenario Gikkle flipping CE, there won't be any NK. If you jail Frinckles or anyone tonight as town then that is game throwing.
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I’m back. Lol, you’re confusing me. You think Ginnkle is telling the truth about the carol?
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@ikarusdk sorry forgot! since you are forced to take action.. jail Martin again because we don't want to lose a carol or another potential gun tonight.
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@Stellaria where are you?
Let's see if town Frinckles is real tonight. Quickly vote for who should receive a carol. I vote for Renegade.
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Every role is forced to do their action, whatever that is.
I dont think jailing frinckles is ever a good idea. It blocks the unavoidable carol if CE dies, and i the 1% fricnkles is mafia it doesn't block the factional as someone else in the mafia will do it.
I'm not sure whats the best use of the jail though other than its blocking effect on mafia PRs though.
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I vote for the carol to go to anyone who is a claimed non-PR.
I dont know who that is, but I figure at least some people. I know I did when I shared the jail chat earlier.
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Jesus.
It is too late to switch from Gikkle for now.
As for who to jail, jailing frinckles, who to carol, there needs to be some wifom there folks. Don't telegraph everything.
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