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This is my main body of work on Ikarus. The two latter posts can be confusing if you don't know why I wrote them that way. Each post number denotes that I am responding directly to the post mentioned, and therefore, any post number I made responding to Ikarus, I'm talking to him directly. He only responded to one of my questions here, rhat being he apparently had no such meta on Buster
He means your question is silly because nobody is going to cc caroler. CE has to hand out only one of each role. It would be suicidal and dumb.
From everyone's point of view either Gikkle or myself is lying because we've exhausted every plausible scenario. So everyone should be voting there.
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Well not everyone's because two of gikkle's teammates know he's full of shit but you get my point.
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ok it is getting super hard not to be agitated by stellaria.
Look I am focusing on gikkles-frinckles interaction.
You are tunneling me knowing i can't really defend myself thoroughly rn.
Sigh I fucking hate the way this game's gone, okay ? I hate it.
-vote unvote
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Okay so everyone is busy except for me, gikkle and frinckles and we'll waste our time yelling at each other in circles, fucking splendid
life, duh...
Well these are my thoughts so far.
I know I am town. That is a fact. From MY POV, if Carol was true, it will be either loldebite and stellaria.
While I was working a thought hit my head and the more I thought about it, the more it makes sense.
That Gikkles is mafia, and I think he might be pulling a gambit. Hear me out.
Sorry I'm on phone at work so excuse me if my post sounds all over the place
The gambit I suspect is happening.
Mafia Gikkles wants to fake Carol. The real caroler, Frinckles knows he did not select Gikkles. We know that there is no town redirection role because they would've come out. Gikkles wanted to lynch one of three names during the day, and pushes stellaria. He probably did not expect the caroler to reveal but if he can get the caroler out for this gambit, which is what happened, all the better because they can NK the caroler also. We know renegade received a gun. So lynching stella (if town good for him, if mafia, get towncred so good for him), and shade Frinckles today in case they survive the NK, ren can shoot Frinckles the next day. I have no other reason to believe Frinckles isn't the Caroler here.
So to summarise.
Gikkles kills one of three names based on fake Carol, either kill town or towncred for bussing miafa team.
If real caroler comes out all the better. They can NK him too.
This means with his gambit,
He kills 2 towns, guaranteed 1 PR death with 1 possible spent bullet.
-vote Gikkles
It's just Gikkle. There is only one.
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-vote Gikkle
Welcome to the town takeover Ikarus. There is only one.
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I don't think Gikkle/stellaria is w/w or considering Gikkle had been pushing for Stellaria today.
If Gikkle flips mafia, I'm more inclined to believe loldebite/gikkle w/w considering how in synch they are today. They want to both ignore frinckles and push for stellaria.
If Gikkle flip town, frinckles need die tomorrow along with Stellaria.
@Renegade please shoot someone in Gikkle/Frinckles down and we'll see wtf is on.
Or well maybe wait a bit more cuz day will be extended since it doesn't seem like Buster is coming back
This saddens me deeply because of how fond I am of Gikkle. I might be pocketed because of his strong TR and willing to shield me, and I have been mindmelding with him 100% this game but my WIM won't let me become biased.
Wth?
Is it actually you Ikarus?
Why are you so quick to throw me under the bus just because of the possibility I *could* be doing a gambit? And a poorly thought out gambit, apparently, since you think I didn't expect the caroler to CC.
Like, why are you ignoring all of my day play and my thought processes? What's going on here Ikarus?
kind of a wolf judgement call imo.
on one hand, if you can railroad the lynch it's not a problem to include one in there for cred. on the other, i can see your point. gikkle didn't know a gunsmith/person with gun was in play when he made the carol so
either way the carol isn't real and that will be proven when he flips red.
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Fair enough question. With that gambit, Gikkles isn't pushing for Frinckles. He is pushing Stellaria.
FYI that was speculation on top of my head, not a solid thought.
Now that I think about it, it makes no sense. I'll rescind that take. I can explain but my break is over so I'm just typing on the side rn.
Gikkle pushing me would be suicide (even though he contemplated it) because me being a wolf makes no sense. The goal was to put you three in a box or have a competing carol if you had actually received it.
Think how ridiculous this town would be if we had to examine two different carols.
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Or in the case of Silent Night, I think there were 3 fucking carols when I hosted.
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Gikkle, I like you and I've been sharing the same worldview 110%.
Considering I am still new who might be apporaching things in a wrong way from Vets POV, I cannot rely on my worldview alone. The only thing I am certain of is that I am town.
But you are a vet player and I tend to consider most players I encounter as much better player than I am. So I'm paranoid.
anyway gotta back to work. will observe.
Are we EVER at MYLO ? If not, then I'll make my play based on
and vote Gikkle. If there IS a world where we're at MYLO with s!r shooting town then I'll wait for Ren to shoot. If ren refuses to shoot, then fucking hell IDK Frinckles & Ren have gotta be paired in that worldview so Frinckles goes I guess ?
If ren shoots a townie and we miselim, then we have 6 townies. NK passes, 5 townies to 3 scum. Day gun is handed out to the 3rd scum, shoots, 4 townies to 3 mafia & 1 CE. If mafia has ANY single source of NK possible we might be at MYLO.
Not a good time to have a headache when I wanted to re-read stellaria's posts @Renegade I trust you rn and you're independent of all of these arguments - can you take a look at Stellaria's posts and tell me what you think?
Or would we be ? Even in 3v3v1, does CE side against town ? For CE to hope to win in that scenario he'd have to team against the team that has the most PRs, and mafia knows which it is. So I guess the absolute worse scenario is 3v3v1 with 2 TPRs remaining to 1 or 0 SPRs, forcing CE to side with mafia. It is a possibility.