Does Varcron also think it’s Zenon?
@Varcron ?
That’s a big part of why I initially sheeped Lol until it was Frinckles started playing like obvscim and I could see it for myself.
Imagine my misunderstanding of how the carol worked was actually true and me and Vacron are both town like I originally said. This is a fact. So than I have no idea what to do but killing me is another day gone
Meh I can't even begin to figure out how to find a day 1 VC on this site easily
To be fair, it’s not clearing because of carol. So if I’m assuming it’s unlikely to be Ikarus - it looks like he was kept alive because of the carols but it’s also possible that was done to make you look bad.
I’m voting skip until it’s clearer to me probably between you and Martin.
And if I don’t feel confident by tomorrow night, I’ll continue to vote that. I would rather skip than vote wrong but I would really like to get the IC’s take.
Well, who do you think it is?
Why do you think Ren died over both jk and IC?
It’s really weird that Ren would die over either one.
I really don’t know why Yoshida believed this. Shooting Stellaria who was pretty much outed scum made the most sense. I would have shot them had it been up to me because they were in both carols. wand I think Yoshida probably wouldn’t have been voted out had you done that.
I would have been extremely likely to have voted skip in that case.
But you’re right, Varcron would have been 100% safe due to jk, so disregard. Varcron was not an option.
But it’s still weird that it was Ren > you.
So I’m then back to between most likely a frame or to make Zenon look bad.
I think Frinckles’ post and your play makes me think it’s not likely you, so I’m trying to decide between Zeonon and Martin and rn, I am not at all confident on which.
I don't see how it is mylo, and I don't get why you're using strong language so suddenly
Ikarus
Varcron
Me
You (Nancy)
Zenon
that's 5 people, leaving 1 mafia vs 4 town
if we vote wrong today and do not jail correctly then its an f3
I take it you misread my earlier list when I intentionally excluded varcron for being greenchecked by Ikarus? Because it wasn't including everyone other than me by intention.
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Honestly didn't appreciate the implicit messaging of being oblivious and/or stupid with a strong tone to it.
I'm not entitled to any sort of messaging, but it rubs me the wrong way when I haven't seen this sort of behavior reflected in earlier posts that I've read.
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I think that you not considering why I would shoot Ren here points away from it being me. You probably weren’t aware of Frinckles’ post but I don’t think you’re clear, so you’re saying if “we” agree kind of pissed me off.
Why would I kill Ren > Ikarus? How does that make any sense to you?
'Jailor - Forced to choose a player during the day. At night you will detain someone in a jail cell. This prevent them from being in any other night chats and from performing any other night actions, including factional kills. You will redirect all night actions from your jailed target to yourself. You will share a night chat with the person you jailed.'
If you'd like confirmation, we can ask the host.
The highlighted sentence means if someone killed jailed target, the jailor would die instead, correct?
Come to think of it, since the issue of whether it was MYLO or not made me realize that whoever is jailed is green-checked and protected from death; in other words they'll make it into the f3 all the time.
So it wouldn't be that bad if I were jailed. I mean, it wouldn't be useless to do so.
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I’m not disputing that. I’m just saying the mechanics here wrt to jk are functionally like a combo of jk + bg + neighbourizer because you also get a chat with the player you jk.
Actually, that’s a point in favour of you jking me because we get a private chat. and that could be helpful in not only making me IC but maybe the chat helps me to figure it out.
This is especially true if we skip.
I am going to assume that the attempt was to frame me today.
If that is the case, it does not make sense that the mafia is Martin.
Martin has TR me the whole game, and I TR him also. It makes no sense that he would leave me alone to frame me the next day, only to start the day with the post about going for Zenon or Nancy instead. If he wanted to frame me by leaving me alone, this post does the exact opposite.
I do not believe it is Martin.
In the same light (but to a lesser degree), I am not so certain it is Nancy either, given how willing she is to say she does not think it is me.
This is why I am voting Zenon over Martin or Nancy today, not even considering all the other sutff I was talking about to Varcron.
But even if I am not even consdiering the fact why I did not die.
My finger points to Zenon who has had very little impact to this game for the solve apart from the shot killing Stellaria. Under pressure by having most Ts alive? Not paying attention? Who knows. A lot of variables behind that slot.
In the end, it comes down to how I use my jail today.
Protection?
Alighment cop and roleblock?
My initial thinking is this:
The Mafia, for whatever suicidal reason, decided to not kill Ikarus. Only way this is reasonable is if its Ikarus that's mafia here, but I don't consider him to be mafia. So it's probably some WIFOM play.
With the death of Ren and the jail of Varcron, that leaves just you and Zenon. Either of which I can see WIFOM arguments for killing Ren.
But overall I have not concluded my thoughts on this matter. Choosing to kill outside of Ikarus is a decision, but also killing a specific person out of everyone-who-isn't-ikarus is also a decision. Like why was Ren killed over me, if Ikarus was presumably never going to be killed last night? Clearing you off the suspects list just seems rash at this stage especially when part of my worldview collapsed yesterday.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
I think the mafia knows the game was heavily in favour of town once frinckles and stellaria died. They might ahve been demoralised like Frinckles said (ty Nancy for the quote).
Maybe they realised if they were to play conventional way of playing mafia (i.e. kill the jailor), it might have less chance of winning than the gambit (i.e. framing me), which has high risk and higher chance of winning.
I was fully prepared to die last night. I even confided to Varcron what my legacy was during the chat. I'm more surprised than you guys are that I am alive. The only reason I can think of is that the last mafia are doing some risky WIFOM plays because they were about to lose anyway if we make the right play (hence why i wanted to go safer approach and keep yoshida jailed).
Perhaps they weren't even prepared to push me today. Maybe they are waiting for MYLO situation then lynch me. I mean, in 2v1 situation with jailor who obviously should not be alive, why wouldn't you lynch the jailor at that point.
If you’re town here, why would mafia kill you? Even Yoshida thought it was between you znd Zenon?
You are not townier than me and I really don’t understand how you even think that.
I’m trying to determine if this obtuseness could possibly be town indicative because it makes no sense objectvely. I think I’m way more obvious town than you objectively speaking.
I’m not trying to be z jerk here so I apologize if I’m offending you but I have done way more to try to solve this game than you have and again. Ilaarus trs you over me. Yet another reason hypothetical scum!me would have to be an imbecile to have killed Ren here.
if i JK and there is no kill though, then the jailed target is scum.
But what I meant originally was that
If I am alive and I jailed someone, but there is no NK, that person is scum.
If I am dead and I jailed someone, that person is IC.
If I am alive, jailed someone but someone dies, that person is also IC.
I'm not saying I'm townier or scummier than you (also that's a one juicy semantics-esque argument we could have that I have no intention of having)
only that I was read just as highly or more highly than you by other players who are or were alive
if for some reason either of us got tunneled, I suspect it would take a fair bit of effort in order to get me chopped at least. Historically this has been true as well, its easier to chop me early game than it is late-game -- except for that one time in champs like 2 years ago where I self-outed as wolf for strategic reasons.
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Well if you tr Martin over me, then I am logically the correct choice to be jailkept tomorrow. I think that makes sense, no?
but I say this once again. If I am not to die tonight, Varcron will die. That is certain.
also, didn't fit this part into my previous post
Yoshida said a fair bit more than just jail me or zenon in his slot
and that reminds me, after re-reading most of his last post, his post is why also I wanted to re-review your slot instead of auto-piloting into zenon
because to me his arguments made me realize a lot of my town-reads on you thus far were either late into the Gikkle/Firnckles affair or after it....I think. It's off the top of my head and something I will double-check later this day phase.
Spoiler : big quote :
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actually I don't have to do more thinking
jail Nancy and throw out zenon seems safest to me tbh
in such a case if that doesn't work then it confirms Ikarus as mafia and I think he really deserves the win because after his performance this far into the game I am literally going to consistently give him the toughest and perhaps some of the most unfair scrutiny in future games
I think I would be happy with that
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-vote Zenon
though if the previously stated hypothetical is true, I would be obligated by wincon to try and see Ikar thrown out of the game anyways
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