-vote Yoshida
I'm totally fine with Yoshida getting voted today. Wonder if he will change from the mopey "just lynch me" from yesterday.
This seems preety good. Although I would like a bit of clarification on Nancy, in case you have any insights about them I haven't noticed. I read them preety highly based on similar thoughts at specific moments of yesterday but also tonally at times. However, I don't see them as being above ikarusdk's town play so far.
One major problem with this though is that, as much we would like to try, we can't vote out Loldebite.
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Order of Operations:
Vengeful Kill
Jailor Jail
Roleblocker Visit
Bus Driver Visit
Witch Visit
Actress/Oracle Visit
Tailor Visit
Mafia Faction Kill/BlackSmith's Gun Kill
Doctor Visit/Shaman visit
BlackSmith Vest/Bomb trigger
Janitor Clean.
Fabricator/BlackSmith/Gunsmith Visit
Sheriff Visit
Blackmailer visit
Cult Leader Visit
Illusionist Visit
Caroler Visit
Yeah right.
I think Frinckles flipping mafia bomb, just adds to my confidence that Stellaria is the scum in both mine anf Gikkle’s carol.
I think the game is probably solved. I would be completely gobsmacked if it wasn’t Stellaria, Yoshida and I don’t intend to vote outside of those two.
I did a few mechanical hypotheticals in my head and I don't think there's any meaningful difference between chopping Stellaria and Yoshida, except for where Stellaria somehow happens to be town.
In which case, in theory, it would be better to know that sooner rather than later as we'll have more heads to bounce ideas off with. Leaving it for last will likely mean the mafia kill whoever isn't Varcron/Zenon that is the biggest threat to them (or whichever kill they think they can WIFOM best). Yoshida might as well be effectively non-existent because in the case we're wrong about Stellaria the mafia have already gotten a gun, and Yoshida can't give guns to the same people. Thus, its only just a matter of which day they are automatically chopped because outed wolf.
@ikarusdk your opinion on this?
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Although actually voting out Yoshida effectively makes Ikarus an alignment cop of whoever they jail.
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In which case I think the best way we can play this day out is if we chop Yoshida and Ikarus announces whoever they're jailing.
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But really it doesn't make a difference to me unless we somehow tie.
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I actually had a thought that resembles your thinking during night phase, and todays flip completely proved at least 1 mafia member.
But let's examine our carols. (if i remember correctly)
loldebite+ikarusdk+stellaria - debs flipped town. I know I'm town. Therefore it is 100% stellaria.
stellaria+zenon+varcron - this carol further proves that stellaria is also 100% mafia, but leaves options for zenon and/or varcron also being mafia because the carol contains 'at least 1' mafia member.
I don't think it matters when we chop stellaria because I know she is mafia. But I understand if someone is skeptical about it because you are not me, therefore cannot know the same fact (stella=scum) as i do.
I've already explained why I wanted to push yoshida. I've had a lot of time to reflect on this slot, after Varcron mentioned that this could just be TvT. The more and more I think about it, the less confident I am about the slot, but to be quite frank, I am not sorry that I view yoshida as the other scum.
I do not mind who we lynch first, because the slot between yoshida and stellaria we aren't sure about might be different to each player.
If we lynch yoshida today, I am jailing Stellaria.
If we lynch Stellaria today, I am jailing yoshida.
-vote yoshida
one of these days a game will be so conclusively swept and the host forbids conceding that there will have been a genuine game of mafia run in a game of mafia without it being originally planned
too bad this game will likely be too short for that
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speaking of which
a town sweep wherein the 3ps are wiped out first and then the mafia
is really impressive on a site like this
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-vote Yoshida
I still want to know who got the gun. How convenient would it be if he claims he gave it to Loldebite.
if we had to, I'd like to point out that I didn't really like Varcron commenting my interaction with yoshida being TvT because everything yoshida had done/said up until that point was extremely scummy (we all agre no?)
Zenon had parroted this view without explaining much.
So either Varcron has some weird takes that turns out to be true about yoshida, or it was TMI.
Zenon taking this opportunity to also say yoshida being T is also a convenient TMI.
We should vote whichever is more likely to be able to sway anyone but the only players I think that’s even possible with are the subs. Everyone else seems to be on the same page.
Don't think it is Nancy, given how aligned she has been with loldebs, although she's only been loldeb's mirror after she got the carol. Understandable but have a weird feeling how confident she was about the slot. But she has been pushing for both mafia which gets my credit.
Same goes for Renegade.
I've shared very similar world view as Martin so I very much doubt it is Martin.
If yoshida ever flips T
I'll be looking into Zenon/Varcron .
I just think it most likely ends with Stellaria/Yoshida.
it is interesting you don't even read my other posts about realizing there is a bomber and asking ren to not shoot frinckles or anyone.
and I had a post before all of this that there can be a town caroler hiding. from a GS PoV in a game and me being the GS, I gave it a good chance there can be a bomber seeing two people Stellaria/Frinckles also talked about it. At that point I wasn't sure between Frinckles and STellaria were bomber and that is why I tried to stop Ren from shooting Frinckles. I get punished for reading the game here while slots like ikarus or renegade that don't even read the game can miselim me today. that's the quality of the town we have and I just want to get out of this game tbh.
also interesting that you don't even look at renegade who shot gikkles instead of renegade. was it because of my bomber warning back then or did he perhaps already knew he is the bomber? in either case, if I had known Frinckles was bomber if I were mafia, why would I fuckin push Ren for it? Like dude, if Renegade is town, he needs to lock me as town because if I were mafia or if anyone were mafia, they would never share a gun outside of Mafia on first night of actions even the mafia ends up controlling a bomber. can you guys get some sense???????
Stellaria was jailed. I gave a gun to zenon btw.
zenon should shoot varcron today and then you guys should give me one more night for another gun. I shouldn't be voted out today because I am town and it is 2vs7 so it is too early to vote me out but I understand that I must be voted out before mylo.
We already know there is 1 scum between varcron/zenon at least. I would like zenon to shoot one so I AM PROVEN TOWN as I SAID EARLIER I AM MECH CLEAR
Then after this, we should look into whoever is pushing for my elimination rn
where is the ice cream in this joint
CAN YOU GUYS JUST EXPLAIN HOW CAN I KILL SOMEONE AND GIVE A GUN TO ZENON THE SAME NIGHT IF I AM MAFIA??????
@Zenon shoot varcron and decide our fate today. you wanted some fun, lets have some fun
where is the ice cream in this joint
CAN YOU GUYS JUST EXPLAIN HOW CAN I KILL SOMEONE AND GIVE A GUN TO ZENON THE SAME NIGHT IF I AM MAFIA??????
@Zenon shoot varcron and decide our fate today. you wanted some fun, lets have some fun
where is the ice cream in this joint
One mafia is in martin/ren/ikarus/nancy
i am sure it is most likely renegade btw. if it is martin then I don't mind losing to that
where is the ice cream in this joint
@MartinGG99
I would never misplay a PR sir. You should see into this if you are truly town.
Zenon needs to shoot Varcron today so that Town can use more gun.
If Zenon shoots me, get her ahh.
I am solving the game for you guys everyday. wake the fuck up
where is the ice cream in this joint
why are you getting mad? I am playin my role correctly here. I know from the caroler flip and on the basis Nancy and Gikkle have low chance of lying about the carol, There is a scum between Zenon/Varcron. This is giving us a flip check.
dude you are either 90% maf or 10% VI at this point
where is the ice cream in this joint
And if from your POV zenon or varcron is mafia
Why give a gun to that combo.
What does that achieve? I'd like to know.
How is Zenon shooting Varcron indicate their alignment? And more importantly, yours?
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@Renegade
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@ikarusdk
Get your votes off me and start playing with me. We need Zenon to make a decision. They either shoot Varcron here or mafia wins the game by making town vote me out today.
where is the ice cream in this joint
Holy shit. Yoshida gave a gun to Zenon and is now saying Zenon could be scum?
Is this a joke?
By reading the rolecard. Obviously you are playing dumb now.
Vanilla Mafia - You share day and night chat with your fellow members of the Mafia. Mafia are forced to choose to send 1 person to perform a Factional Night Kill each night starting Night 2. You may receive an additional rolecard from Chaotic Executioner on start of Day 2, this will not affect your alignment or win condition. You may perform your new rolecard and be sent to perform the factional kill on the same night.
Like if you are town, I'm sure your play makes sense in your head
but I think I can speak for the rest of us when I say
We do not get it.