Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Hey there ! I'm kinda mad at myself for missing SoD but I'll make up for it soon.
Gotta work a bit before I catch up, tho.
I was originally planning to be there at SoD but I was trying a new game and well time flew, when I got out of it it was 2 am already (about the hour I had planned to get to sleep after SoD) and I couldn't reasonably get into the game without forfeiting sleep entirely, so I was kinda mad at myself.
I had planned that my boss would ask some specific kind of work that morning so I expected not to be available, but it turns out that day was relatively quiet.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Great time to note that lynching is NOT mandatory, I assume this is achieved by voting "skip" ?
Thought it was important to mention that skipping was allowed because it usually isn't here AFAIK, and it was a good opportunity to ask how to do so in the process.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
I might've misread/misunderstood but I'm quite sure citizen is one of the very few role that scum CANNOT get
Yeah I had completely misunderstood his point there, I thought for some reason he was implying that the Hidden Loyalist could roll Citizen too, I guess reading is hard.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Which brings me to my point : should we make citizens claim to clear out PoE ? I know, I know, it is lame and cringe...
So, should we be doing it ?
Ah yes, that could actually be considered breadcrumbing I guess, as will my "IDC if all TPR die" stance later on. Idea was that all citizen will claim citizen immediately but scum would have to decide on a stance right out of the gate which might've put them in a difficult position.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
On another note, since you (Vittæ) and I seem to be the only ones online and active now that mizery's gone, feel free to engage me about whatever.
To help jumpstart that, here's a rushed fresh out of bed readslist :
cute people (T leaning)
Ikarusdk (seems genuinely eager to engage in actual discussion to me or much better at pretending than I'd expect, and also cute posts)
Varcron (Pretty good feeling about the interaction with deathworlds, above vittae for now because I know them a very tiny bit better)
Vittae (Good feeling about the slot, I sense cute vibes. Yeah that might be irrational, sue me)
boringly ordinary (odds are that idk how to read these but I'll pretend for now)
PoD (Not much to think about but I get the tiniest of cute vibes and )
deathworlds (I agree that the mech is NAI, and nothing felt especially good or especially bad)
mizery (I don't believe in judging off openings anyway, reads list is nice but honestly I'm pretty sure she would've done as much as any alignment)
uglies (S leaning)
MM (I very much dislike their last post to date. Sorting roles in utility buckets alone is worth doing, had I done that in my first game ever I would've seen you were scum much faster
the post in question :
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Lol saying you know me a tad bit is quite generous imo, considering how I only really know you from the archive and from the fact you replaced out from some game years ago xD. Glad to see you existing among us, though! [...]
Perhaps there is something I am missing (might have to do with the fact I should sleep lol), but apart from the "don't use janitor abilities and the like if you're town" message, which is probably necessary and relatively useful, this whole post seems a little... empty, in spite of its size. Where do you want to lead us with this? I feel like we should wait until we have something before going into setup speculation like this, considering it's straight up page 1.
Pink part seemed a bit disdainful/confrontational/contrarian for my taste, I couldn't help but read it kind of like "yeah, uh no bruh wtf u saying" which as a first interaction ever felt a bit much.
Red orange part felt exceedingly hypocritical considering we were on the first page of D1, which is most often full of jokes, fluff and otherwise unrelated garbage and that MM has partaken in some of that aspect (I DEMAND HYPE etc...). The both of these combined made me very wary of MM for the majority of D1.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Yes.
Actually, do scum have a day chat too ? If they do the idea crumbles, probably.
I assume scum would have to have at least one of theirs fakeclaim citizen, if they do play it accurately we don't gain much except an extra WIFOM layer as a freebie. Regardless, we might gain something and as such it's worth discussing.
If you're afraid about town power roles getting outted & gutted, I wouldn't be. Citizens have the majority over scum, so we don't actually need any PR to win, provided we're good enough. That is assuming no extra NKP.
In some games I've played before, scum only had a night chat, hence my assumption that they did not. Pink part in my mind was "If you're afraid about TPR getting gutted at night, I'm not. In fact I'd be glad !" but I obviously couldn't say that without claiming. I figured that because of my role being investigative, we probably had another not-so-useful role (belief strengthened by varcron's claim at the time), which meant that at
worst in my mind we had 1 other good TPR and myself, so 66% chance for scum to target a useless TPR if they so chose. So yeah I really wasn't scared at all. I didn't expect Varcron to make that claim as a killing role.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
I don't often assume someone is wrong when playing mafia (which admittedly has gotten me inaccurately turbo nitro hard tunneling on... some of this forum's least bright members). In fact, off the top of my head I can't recall a single time I've make that assumption. I guess I think assuming people are wrong is... wrong
Another thought in the same vein that crossed my mind recently, when reading MM's D2 posts is a twist on a latin proverb, Being wrong once happens. Persevering in being wrong is probably just being scum.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Shit.
[insert very long specualtion/calculations]
Well this is disapointing.
What I didn't dive into but thought about here is that IMO scum never ever double claims cit as on top of being potentially harder than claiming their real role and being able to use that information to suit their goals that might let town create a towncore of PRs which sounds desastrous for scum, but it seemed not worth investigating further anyway.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Well I guess we could go for a 37.5% chance to lynch scum by randoming PRs !
Lol.
Mh actually I wonder if scum both claiming PR is a good idea, I'm starting to think that there is no good option for scum if the setup has only 2 TPRs.
Ah, well I did mention it after all lol.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Meh, not really. I wouldn't dare say I have a lot of experience in anything FM related tbh but I've played a fair few games with MM, definitely more than anyone else in here. We also interact a fair amount outside of FM, which is where the feeling of familiarity comes from.
I would say that, scum MM is most comfortable in soft powerwolfing position. He doesn't really want to be townleader or be in any kind of spotlight but he does enjoy having a position from which what he says is paid attention to, and from that place he seeds in pro-wolf reasonable doubt (which notably boils down to making excuses from scummy things that scum do). But take this with a grain of salt as, now that I think about it, that seems based off of mostly a single game lol
Someone i don't remember who reacted to that by saying that to them MM is definitely a powerwolfer. I don't think I've seen it first hand although it is true that they were close in OUaTitW, my first game. I still think that wasn't quite powerwolfing because he stick to a relatively neutral or passive stance and never vehement or really leading IMO.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Lol, you've nicknamed me Deb, too, or have you simply heard it elsewhere (perhaps even in the thread lol) ?
Anyway, not so glad to see that I'm
still being read as scum-leaning tho
Here's my latest game to date
And
here's the one before that
And FTR
that one was my first FM ever. I've played most games that took place in between, if you wanna have an
extensive look.
Oh and sorry - I should've asked first but I was too happy to have the opportunity - are you cool with me spelling your name Vittæ ?
Yeah IIRC I was being scumread by most in my first couple games, one of said cost us the victory because a fellow town voted me alongside mafia despite me being mechanically confirmed. That game did numbers on me.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
This cracked me up ngl
Yeah I recall laughing at PoD's post, tbh at very first it felt very genuinely annoyed in a "idc what you think I'm not town reading that shit" way, which I liked. Retrospectively, I should've trusted that feeling, but at the time I was scared of the player, I must say.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Not knowing them I can't tell if that's just D1 banter or if there's something going on.
I gotta say I don't really agree with or understand the decision that he's the best slot to pressure either, especially. Especially considering how you voted them first thing in the morning, then explained why after catching up and then posted a readslist. Would you mind explaining your rationale for the vote ?
On the other hand PoD's reaction is quite surprising too, but I get the feel that this is a gambit of sorts or something
After a second look it felt a bit
too annoyed and hence my wondering. Retrospectively I assume the abrasive stance was intentional to cause a chasm. If that's the case, well done and thank you.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
[PoD] very clearly [has] not posted more content, in fact they've made their refusal to comply - for now - quite clear. Interesting !
Yeah, at that moment PoD reminded me a lot of Renegade, which I dislike playing with because it seems to me that he's simply refusing to discuss his thoughts and that annoys me a LOT. Kind of a MUCH SOFTER version of a player I met in Deck Mafia - Hyperion I think it is ? - who simply refuses to talk and reacts with gifs of mew from pokemon exclusively. I think that impression has massively shaped my view of PoD, probably wrongly so.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Let's call it the Gambit of the Renegade : refusing to explain and avoid telling anyone what you think. Because that's what I recall renegade (not) doing
Maybe gambit isn't the proper term ?
Yeah well I don't know for you but I have little use of emotions that can be faked as easily as that.
Meh, I guess that post about ikarus probably isn't
that easy to fake, though. Still, I don't know what do you with it so it doesn't add to my "content" pile.
What to do with it* UGH
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Lying is always scummy.
I SOMEHOW missed that sentence, fuck me must I look idiotic.
Didn't pay it much attention back then but retrospectively MM is very in line with his post dissing PoD and DW that I had hated here.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
All the following is [content]:
[multiple quotes from PoD]
And this is not even cherry picking your posts, it's just that all the interesting posts at the end of p4 are yours
I really liked all those 4 posts when I first read them, and they had struck me as much more impactful/to the point than the first few couple (except the one about ikarus).
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Yeah, fuck activity reading.
On that note : yes, I might appear online about 13h per days or more. I (almost) always have a couple tabs open with the game, that I check from time to time. I'm not actually all that active. Only reason I'm mentioning it is because it has been raised already and well, yeah, I probably should tell you about it while I can, just to clarify.
Seriously, tho : fuck activity reading.
JuSt UsE iNvIsIbLe MoDe
No. Fuck you too.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
If you think I spare games I signup for any time before it's actually started, you're off the wrong piste.
There's a reason I can't come up with roles for KRCs, and it's because I don't do that.
Yeah, 4 minutes, unless I was already working on it in that last post ? But I would've said so... mhhh
[quote me doing just that]
Oh. Oopsie !
Yeah I was a bit mad there, I literally told so to be extra clear and avoid these kinds of misunderstanding and yet... Frustrating. I got over it quickly, tho. Unlike... But I shan't spoil.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Is this a joke ? Cherry on top is that posting a readslist with reads like that is one of the reason I'm scumread by other people, apparently.
Overall, tho, I do like that readslist. I'd probably put MM lower and vittæ higher. Let's see what becomes of it once I've caught up.
This was replying to varcron's readslist where I was at the far end saying "Loldebite for now is my top scum read, but something is off with them. Everything they have said so far in my eyes has in some capacity been scummy, and I can't place my finger on why yet, however this read will likely develop in the future." and that felt so gratuitous I was baffled. I had just woke up so seeing a "scum because
shrug" kinda tilted me. Like I still can't fathom that "I can't place my finger on why yet... " Sure, about a few posts about the ENTIRETY of it ??
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Kay so let me get this straight.
You're quite convinced I'm scum and so does literally everyone else. My only contribution was a mechs talk where I literally showed that mass claiming on d1 sucked ass. And you wanna do just that ? Wtf ?
This is just episode 420 or something of me having no fucking clue what mizery's doing. I dislike her, I find her very hard to read
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
FOR FUCKS SAKE CAN YOU READ THE GAME BEFORE POSTING STUPID SHIT ?
My LITERAL LAST POST was answering that question already
AH YES ! My reaction to MM's stupid post reusing ika's stupid argument that I wrote a wall in 4 minutes... When I could understand it from ika's perspective where he thought he figured out something and jumped on the gun, just like I did with vittæ, someone exterior to the argument SHOULD'VE been critical of the premise and challenged it by paying attention to the context. Obviously MM hadn't done that or he would've read the post just before and found me announcing the wall. Because I was already wary of MM, as mentioned, this made me pretty angry as it felt so puny and small, almost pathetic. This strenghtened my suspicions of MM.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
This is EXACTLY the kind of plausible shit spreading that you do as scum lol
Yeah, it felt just like that first post about PoD & DW, dissing me without giving the diss the attention it warrants.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Can't tell if having an aneurysm or trolling
Probably a bad sign
Reply to mizery's "we're already winnin'" comment. It
really didn't feel like it at the time, at least from my POV...
I figured it was mizery trolling but chose to answer anyway.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Tssk, guess you can read after all, woohoo !
That push looks founded on bad reasons, PoD's interaction with me was much more than OMGSUS and clearly as defensive as you claim, cuz I wasn't pushing them nor even considering it.
From my POV PoD contributed in both greater quality and greater quantity than say, Mizery. What do you think of that slot, quite comfy at 0 votes ?
Reacting to MM realizing his 'mistake' and pushing PoD. Pod's vote on me was nowhere near OMGUS, I still don't know where that's coming from.
Retrospectively it looks planned, they had already discreetly dissed PoD and now they build on it, justifying that they're
that suspicious for basically no reason because of an early "bad feeling". I feel like I was giving MM a lot of slack actually considering how much of what they've said/done I disliked. Too much respect/assumed goodwill perhaps ?
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Well, uh, thought your read on me had decayed already but I read back and I've no clue why I thought that.
Yeah no, something's off.
There's no way you've seen me at the far end of everyone's readslist and was content with putting me in the TR range for a mere mech post all the while saying "it ain't much, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯". Especially when your bottom read is based solely on another mech post and honestly the differences are not that great. Definitely not great enough that you can wave your hand and say "Nah all those 6 people are wrong, I can feel it !".
Reacting to MM's list where I'm... GREEN :o
It really felt like I was getting pocketed, calmy saying "yeah that guy's town" after NOT finding the flaw in the ikarus thingy and disregarding everyone else's opinion felt weird. In a bad way. Retrospectively, TMI ? For SOME reason the thought didn't cross my mind then... Shame.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
... Okay ? Is there any reason you're refusing to engage with me ?
Miz replying with the bucketstrat copypasta to my honest question to them... That falls in the line of the refusing-to-engage thingy that I hate, hence me insisting.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Also, I should mention : as much as I want not to, I really like this post.
Reacting to Mizery's post critizicing MM's (lack of) committed positions. I didn't want to like mizery's posts because I
hate that she refuses to answer questions on a whim, still this felt right and fall right in line with what I thought of MM at the time.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
I... Can't say I agree tbh. His readslist is basically "debbie wrote a wall in 4 minutes so he's scum" and "MM is scum because debbie is scum". It IS content, but I fail to see how that's impressive. None of the more recent posts felt particularly interesting either, except maybe the part about PoD and AtE.
This feels as much as a pocketing attempt as MM's comments about me tbh.
Reacting to Vittæ congratuling ika for his posts, it felt really over the top to me as he'd done what I'd expect from literally anyone. Yes, I've been disappointed already. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that ika's already doing better than paopan or PQR or whatever but that's not worthy of praise IMO. That's the bare fucking minimum.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Guess it's not me then
fucking hell I hate the renegade meta
Reacting to Mizery refusing to reply to vittæ, I had hopes that she simply didn't trust me enough but that was not it. I find it quite frustrating in that it feels like you're getting denied the possibility to play the game...
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Btw do you reckon it's better to mislynch now or tomorrow ?
I was still thinking I could be the lynch, so that's really a question I asked myself and wanted other people's opinions on.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Damn that's a good idea ! How did I not think about it in my previous games ?!
Pissed off at miz
still refusing to discuss ANYTHING with me :'(
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
There's a difference between being nice and being lenient, I guess it is a thin one.
Ika's accusation did feel legit but that's the kind of stuff that scum love to pick up on to spread doubt and paranoia. Admittedly, that's very likely not what ika's been doing here, but I'm fairly confident that a newbie scum would also be delighted to have (seemingly) valid reasons to cause a mislynch and that's why I wasn't convinced.
Yeah I was thinking of MM when I wrote that lol. As said here, I think ika's post could come from any alignment so it was really just a bad post. Not bad looking, but bad.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Okay change of plans, here's a short insight that goes through my head and figured I might as well throw it in there rather than note it somewhere and get back to it in an hour
I've been thinking about pairings and I think that Vittæ/Mizery is probably not S/S (based on their interaction today, mostly, can't recall exactly what made me think that but I'll get back to it when I can), whereas Vittæ/MM or Mizery/Vittæ seemed very plausible. That's why I'm very intrigued to see Mizery push MM now and how people will respond to that.
Oh god ANOTHER typo ? Pretty sure that last one's supposed to be MM/Mizery... Yeah I was interested in mizery pushing MM because I thought I could see through it or get a clue if it was bussing.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Once again you claim there is causation where there is none, I thought I had seen an inconsistency and jumped on it, that's all.
How have I been distancing myself ?
To this day I still don't understand what reaction PoD saw and didn't like. I don't think I've been distancing either but idk
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Yeah it seems like I overestimated how confident people were of their reads. It IS interesting that mizery's vote's still here, especially since she's said she doesn't believe I'm scum anymore.
For some reason I was convinced ika had voted as well, probably because red = vote in my mind lol
Anyway let's have another quick mech talk : is it better to skip today lynch tomorrow or lynch asap ? I'm personally hesitant
At that time I was considering strongly MM/Mizery as a scum team, which is why I mentionned Mizery's vote. It's also then that I realized I probably wouldn't be the lynch, unlike what I had started thinking shortly after waking up (varcron's readlist being about the first thing I read probably played a huge part in that impression).
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
looool nah that's too big where's the catch
At the time I had a really hard time believing he'd think that. I don't think I'd be comfortable bussing my only scum mate on D1, even softly, especially if I consider them vastly more experienced than I am. I think I also tend to be quite conservative with my votes, but I can't blame him for ignoring that. It didn't feel worth mentioning at the time because there was bigger fish to fry IMO.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Why is MM out of here ? In your last readslist to date he was below PoD
Reacting to #352 where DW stated the lynch was between Miz, PoD and me, despite having MM quite low on his first readslist and never mentioning them again.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
PoD & you
My "hot take" answer to Vittæ's question about scum pairings. While that seemed plausible to me, especially in a s!PoD world, I didn't think it was the likeliest but I figured such a position would prompt interesting reactions. Vittæ DOES strike me as someone that'd bus PoD hard to gain the town cred.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
I'm starting to get a little pissed at all those "if debbie flips scum" comments. So I'll take it on me to compensate :
If MM flips scum pod looks much better IMO
If pod flips scum then mizery looks better (because of #194) and vittae worse for the same reason
If Mizery flips scum then PoD is mostly cleared, again because of #194)
When I flip town MM will get free towncred (omg Paranoie back at it again !) !!!
As it stands now I'm voting PoD if we do decide the lynch is better today
I was quite stupid. This is a post I have a hard time getting back into context now. Retrospectively it seems OBVIOUS that PoD is LHF, yet I still decide he's the best vote regardless of how hard I hated on MM...
Yet I figured that the PoD flip would give us a lot of info, on DW, on Vittæ and on MM.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
I see. I feel you (also, fuck sb)
Reacting to DW saying he "can't read MM, sorry". Reading it now, it's quite funny lol
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Yeah MM has also redeemed himself to my eyes (good job, nice pocketing & fuck you just in case - Paranoie). Miz I have to be honest I struggle to read
Shit, I recall reading a post of MM where I went
THAT'S the MM I wanna see, FINA FUCKING LY but it looks like I didn't actually respond to it directly.
Found it, that was the post in question, where I really liked the interaction with PoD on MM's part.
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
... in which you state that you need some time to get the ball rolling. I must say I like the fact you're basically acknowledging my point on your mech talk vs Debbie's while still defending yours, though. + some townpoints
with decay
Then there is a good chance you're actively unhelpful? Defending yourself and being in constant reaction isn't scum-hunting and doesn't help town, so you're basically saying you do not wish to help here.
I would rather say it's weird half the town scumread Loldebite and put so much faith in it while he really hadn't done much to be hated for yet lol. Your read is literally based on this:
which isn't even that much of a scumtell lol. You are making the whole world revolve around yourself (not in the "you're egoist" sense, but in the "you fail to see further" sense), which tells me you're afraid of making mistakes and thus play very conservative.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Do y'all think scum is currently voting together and if not why wouldn't they
Note to self : include a fucking snapshot of votes in these kind of comments.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Wait shit, that's a good point, I was convinced that vittæ was bussing but the scummiest I have rn voting pod is DW
So why am I voting pod
I had taken a look at the wagons and realized that I didn't really like it : MM, ika, DW & me were onto PoD but I TR ika and MM at that point, so if PoD was probably not getting bussed as I thought they were. Which in turn meant that they were probably not scum after all, and besides the DW train seemed to face more resistance so it felt better to vote there.
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
ngl I'm lynching TPR over cit any day
Another comment that tries to be daring