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martin
Sb luona guillo
Mizery yayap
Reads
martin
Sb luona guillo
Mizery yayap
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Im at l2 guys
Pls unvote
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I don't even know who the big guys here are, so why would I know who to avoid..? You must be very cocky to think out of everyone I would want to avoid you! I'm not scared of you, come at me bro
I'm sorry : ( Where I'm from we use it when we find a post scummy. I will stop using it then.
I'm sorry but I don't care if I look scummy LOL
I'm sorry you're confusing me, was the entrance not serious? He stated he wouldn't be here and that he wanted to dip right? How is that not serious?
Why are you so scared of being at L-2 Oliver? : )
I will never rescind my claim so any scum can try to CC me and see how effective i am at winning thunderdomes for themselves.
I'm waiting for your answers first.
Ok, this is reasonable.
Or someone who was being sarcastic.
Unless I'm CCed, everyone must assume this is me trying to work with my town clear.
As the lock town, town leader of this game, you should care. Are you not familiar with the concept of Hydras in mafia? Real question, not rethoric.
If that is the case, what posts from Ikar did you perceive they could come from scum?
Give it time, it will sink in.
Actually no, I don't wanna be protected at night cause my flip Hard Town-Locks SB, that is my protection.
The priest should be protecting StealthBomber tonight.
So what is your suggestion for my play in this game, to stay quiet? To not draw attention? To not move the thread? To not scum hunt? To not seek for answers? So the doctor does not have to protect me? Why are you concern about the doctor protecting me if I play townie?
Why are you trying to associate my play as scummy when you have admitted it looks innocent?
"Now down to business... other than people just saying hello, not much has been said... One thing that has happened though is Guillo standing out making himself memorable for those who don't know anyone (like me).
Although innocent looking, this does have an impact on night actions... aka its a PR magnet."
Where did you?
You seem overly concerned with what might happen mechanically at night, I'm not concerned at all. I believe games are won through votes and reads. I don't get how is the priest your concern when your concern is the priest possibly protecting me, which he shouldn't, because my death confirms stealthbomber, the doctor must be on SB, I'm protected by scum probably avoiding getting SB confirmed.
LOL i actually made it easier for the priest to decide, I believe I said that I play to die in as less time as possible while making the most impact in as less time as possible, that should be an obvious cue to not protecting me and to protect Stealthbomber.
I honestly don't care if you don't wanna die night 1, i guess it is a play style thing because I'm not afraid to die at night cause my death confirms not only my alignment but also my green check. Tough luck!
Personally, if I was a doctor here and this day wouldn't have played out with the friendly soldier confirming his random footman and if we mislynched today. I would not protect anyone.
Why?
Because I favor info from flips than guessing a target to protect. I would be the worse player to get a doctor role tbh because I'd just holstered every night, I favor death over heals.
Meh, I don't believe in favoritism because of seniority.
Your early concern over mechanical targets at night is.... perplexing. I don't associate that with a townie mindset.
I could be a rifleman, a priest or a sorceress, I wouldn't play to hide so I could use my role, fuck roles, fuck night actions, let's win the game by burying a wolf on day 1 and limit what they can do at night.
First thing we agree on, Iuona is hedging and posting inconsistent thoughts.
Tell the truth and you'll lie good.
Now I'm gonna dip out because I gotta work today.
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-vote Iuona
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are you dumb? scum literally post useless lil posts all the time just to seem present and engaged
You act like I still must be holding onto my early on thoughts like a newborn baby, I'm not. No thoughts brain empty zzzzzz.
And yes, anyone who plays mafia is big dumb because its frustrating game. All of us dumb : (
Idk man
But psychology etc helps irl
Atleast me
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@Stealthbomber16
How is this shit townie? He does not vote Oliverz for lacking of original thoughts when we did, but votes him now because he is posting?
I dont know i think oliwaz is just a loose cannon.
-vote Yapyap
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-vote oliverz144
I'm sorry Oli but it was indeed shit.
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-vote Oliverz144
Sorry guys, I've been really busy today so I'll write some stuff up with questions I have when I am free later.
I must admit, this is more intense and harder than I thought FM was going to be. I am just too used to playing mindless games in Arcade so sorry if I am making wrong assumptions. I guess I do have some sort of an advantage in this game for being a new player, I do not have any experience with any of you, so whatever I read, I am looking at them with fresh set of eyes. I can't use the meta here in my case, although it does help to read what others have already said about someone.
I will do my best to 'read' players in this set up from my point of view. I will list them in the order of progression of my thoughts and suspicions.
1) I initially had my doubts on Guillo as I mentioned in my previous post.
In my experience, early frequent chat by a specific player does indeed attract players from both evil and town. By being loud and standing out, a doc would generally try to heal you, because you have become the largest picture in the game, therefore the largest target for mafia. As yapyap mentioned, this set up does not include a town investigative role. So if you were a scum, you know you are safe from being investigated but by attracting a doc, you have free reign to kill anyone else. I arrived at this suspicion before I went to bed, but yapyap posted this while I was sleeping so when I woke up, I knew that what I thought had made sense at least. I can't explain why this would be something you'd only see from experienced players. I am definitely new to FM.
You then later hard claimed Friendly Solider, not the other way around. This was after I changed my attention to someone else. To me you do seem town. By early claiming Friendly Solider with SB, the name you received, and that you'd death tunnel on someone that'd counter claim. Would evil do this? Probably could, but I think it is very risky. The real Friendly Soldier or player with another PR then would know you are not the Friendly Solider, and sooner or later before the day ends would most likely to vote you out. You could then try to kill the CC, but when that player flips PR, you basically have no defense at that point. So you either keep that CC alive and continue being the main suspect, or kill that CC and be revealed. That is why you stated you wanted to be killed early. Unless new information comes out, I think Guillo is town for these reasons.
2)Stealthbomber16 is clear of my suspicions at this point because of above reasons on Guillo. But he did sound like trying to buddy with Guillo early on without much info before Guillo said he knew SB is town.
3)Martin
I also thought Martin was being quite defensive initially. This was purely based on what others have said that he was acting weird. Otherwise, nothing he said really screamed out to me that he was scum, although he did question my validity, they were fair questions.
Could you elaborate more on why you like YapYap?
4) Yapyap
After I felt Martin was being highly defensive, and others started picking up on it, and Yapyap's immediate post pointed at Guillo, I had thought this was to 'chainsaw-sorry if im using the wrong term here' Guillo trying to deflect attention away from Martin. This would make sense if Yapyap and Martin were on the same side. But I started thinking about the whole dichotomy situation. Would scum benefit from creating a division so early on? If yapyap was scum, would he benefit from basically telling the rest of the players, it's Yapyap+Martin VS Guillo+Stealthbomber? If any of these people die, then it basically points the finger to the members of opposite side, potentially highlighting themselves.
Following this, I am making a very basic rudimentary prediction, which I will keep to myself.
5) I have some thoughts on Mizery and Luona but nothing solid enough to form sentences that'll make sense.
6) Oliverz144
At first I thought he was a bit weird, almost sounding like he's worshipping Guillo and following him. But his reasoning on Guillo did align with mine. But here is where I started to develop suspicions.
Oliverzz definitely wasn't the player that started dichotomy but wouldn't this be perfect if he was scum? A Town vs Town situation. By encouraging this division, he draws attention from himself and another player. Of course, this is a long, long shot, especially given how others mention Oliver is a player known to being unusual, and these are just two comments by Oliver rather than a summary as a whole comment chain by him.
My vote is on Oliverzz144 for now.
I was writing that while also doing some work so I'm sorry if there are things that don't make sense. Do let me know and I'll explain it better.
I think you have a very good grasp on the game (read: a similar grasp to my own) and your willingness to admit this is enough for me to give you a pass probably indefinitely.
Form your thoughts on Mizery in particular into sentences for me, even if they don't make sense.
I have a mixed feeling about Mizery and Luona. I do have a couple of things to talk about though.
1) Mizery voting on Oliver without explaining why he thinks Oliver is scum,
2) This feels suspicious. I did this in arcade games few times as evil. I did this because I wanted town to believe they should still regard me as a suspect and that they should analyze facts and leads but by throwing these words in, towns are more likely to think I am town because 'I am not trying to get off so easy being a suspect whereas if I were an evil, I'd try to get off the suspect list as soon as possible'. Of course, this may just be overthinking.
I suspect Luona more.
She(I hope I am getting the pronouns right here, I apologise!) seems to have tunnel'd on Martin based on Luona and Martin's early interaction. Luona's posts seem rather playful yet argumentative, and this could just be the way the player is playing.
She is happy to jump on Martin and Yapyap's wagon on two different occasions. Yet I find it suspicious she would vote Martin when we already have 4 votes on Oliver, and she does say she thinks Oliver is town very early on but has no basis to think that.
Somehow I don't believe Luona is acting without good reasons.
Having said all these, these are just 'feelings'. Nothing concrete to make me believe they are acting out of ordinary.
Guys sorry?!
Did you switch me and the unvote tag?!?
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Eyyo
6 votes HELLLOOOO?
WHERES THE BRAIN INSIDE??????
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I would love to hear from Luona for the reasons on Martin vote, and why Oliver might be a townie.
I didn't say you started the division, I actually said the opposite. What I said was that you encouraged it by specifically stating Guillo x SB v Yapyap x Martin on two occasions at least. We all thought the same thing, but I just felt you wanted to encourage the situation by bringing out.
Of course my vote could also change since we have time to discuss more things.
Largely their calm response to Guillo with their criticisms of him, and that I think their criticisms came at a time that wolves wouldn't need to do that (if we presume Yap to be wolf and Guillo to be town). Expanding upon what Yapyap said mildly: Guillo's claim offers little risk to him (and the potential advantage of the priest on him) if he is a wolf, since Sorceress or another Friendly Footman can either only CC or not really be able to do much about it with their powers. Rifleman can either shoot Guillo, CC, or do both (probably not CC because blademaster can force a target, and a wolf isn't guaranteed to be the blademaster). Rifleman can shoot on n2. If there haven't been any heals nor any correct eliminations, a successful shot creates a f3 (final 3; 1 wolf 2 town) scenario. Worse-case scenario for the wolves is if the rifleman survives to make it into said f3: If Rifleman does their claim (and/or breadcrumbing) well, this makes it a 50/50 at pure RNG that the remaining wolf gets eliminated. YapYap doesn't seem to see this as likely though as they said they think its quite likely the priest will be on Guillo on n2 and therefore preventing the rifleman kill.
Outside of that possibility, fake-claiming Friendly as a wolf doesn't offer much risk.
Only complaint I could have about YapYap's criticisms is that they choose to clearly note that Friendly Footman is only informed of other Footman. Meaning if Guillo is genuine in their claim, they likely helped the mafia narrow down who the priest could be by 2 slots, leaving a base 1/4 RNG chance to kill the priest if they wanted to, or even as low as 1/3 if we mis-eliminate a footman who isn't Sb16 today. Alternatively, if Guillo is fake-claiming while a Footman, this still probably puts the PRs at greater risk as well unless SB16 is the priest who for some reason went along with it. Because, armed with the knowledge that friendly footmen can only know of footmen, any PR that is claimed to be a footman by a friendly footman immediately knows it to be a false and/or suspicious claim.
Though maybe a fake-claim as a footman wouldn't be too bad -- I'm not sure you can argue to any specific degree for how often priest is on Guillo and whether the mafia attempt a priest dodge. It does work out positively if Guillo makes the mafia target him and same for the priest, and works out even better if SB16 is the priest. Which, considering my previous paragraph, I doubt Mafia ever really shoot SB16 on night 1.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
When I say "SB16 is the priest" or something like that, you can replace that "SB16 is a PR"
I got tangled up in thinking about too many hypotheticals.
I'm mildly sure most of this probably isn't relevant to reading Guillo as he isn't among the strongest mechanical players I know (sorry), but definitely not ignorant of mech principles.
But I liked the depth of thought and calmness by Yap about it.
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@Yayap
Why you voting me????
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To the newbie, when you said that you suspected me for trying to bait the priest i thought you meant baiting to claim it which i thought it was weird thought
So you are pretty much echoing Yapyap thoughts about the same, you claim you got distracted before you could voice that sus, which is weird, because also claimed to think Yapyap was chainsawing me for my push on Martin, which by the way i went back to re-check and the timing Yapyap did was didnt look like a chainsaw to distract the push on Martin, but my push on Iouna.
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If Yapyap chainsawed me, it was ro distract me from Iouna
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Everybody is happy with lynching me??
No reasoning? No explanation? No read nor analysis?!
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Tf i should be threadspewed town by now
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@ikarusdk
Ask what lumi thinks about lynching me!
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@Helz has replaced @MartinGG99 . (Martin will be unvoting shortly; consider his vote as null and void)
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