Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
Jesus christ its almost like you're intentionally trying to miss every point I make.

Let me spell it out for you.

If I create a piece of BSL that says "you are not allowed to breed pit bulls" then I have not removed any autonomy from dogs because they already had absolutely no say over whether they breed or not. I have removed autonomy from humans, which is a point separate to what you're posting about.

"it is a parallel to gun control" yes I think if there was a type of gun that was on the market that occasionally randomly shoots and maims or kills the neighbours kid then there would be a very good case of banning people from owning said type of gun.

The argument about children is genuinely dumb as fuck because children are not a separate species that we can ban or do anything against. It's a complete non-sequitur when we're talking about the topic of legislation against dog breeds and I'm not going to try to entertain it.
I am not trying to misrepresent your points. I apologize if I am doing so.

I still feel like the entire argument of forcing a species to not exist is only justified when you ignore nurture. And if we are going to go down that road why start with a domesticated dog breed? How about people that keep Pythons or poisonous snakes? Or maybe tigers? The fact the animal is potentially dangerous does not mean its incapable of sharing love and affection or that it has no place around people.

And the 'slippery slope' does exist. If we take out one breed why would we stop there? I truly believe if we are going to start removing species from existence a domestic dog should be very far down on the list of priority's.

For the gun control line I was only pointing out that if the animal has zero agency the conversation would shift to them functioning as a tool. I think that we can agree that is absurd but the fact they do make decisions and that they do have intelligence means their behavior can be modified. If you are interested someone I follow is an ex seal named Mike Ritland who trains dogs.


I still feel if we are going to take the position that genetic traits should determine if a creature exists it gets really ugly very quickly. Conditioning and training make a massive difference in an animals behavior and if we are going to ignore that as a factor theres a ton of other animals that should be eliminated.