S-FM 340: Election Day 2.0

[Marshmallow Marshall]

thoughts on oliver? thoughts on sb16? Have you read my posts?

No, no, and not really, apart from "YAY A VOTER" when PQ random-voted you, which I liked tone-wise (and that's not exactly a strong read lol).

[Lumi]

Wolfy exit

im in

This sequence of posts made me laugh way more than it should have

[Lumi]

@Lag this reminds me of the games in which you are scum and point out how you got voted and/or lynched for wrong reasons Like you could be scum here, and maybe the read is something you can debate against, Lawyer you, but you could just get random-voted while being scum

Yep, I do it as both alignments, as wolf to talk people into townreading me, and as town to talk people into townreading me. Believe it or not, getting people to town read you is a good thing.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Bradland is probably town
PQ is town
Wrath is town lean
Ceko is scum lean
Banana is null
SB16 is scum lean
MM is scum lean
Dum is null
Frinckles is null

MM and Sb16 not teammates though, feel something off among them though, can get a better read after they post more

I changed my mind, wrath is scum lean

All of this is very... un-Laggy? Like, you're OMGUSing me for scumreading you (considering it's literally the only thing you could read me on at that point of the game lol), and you're giving a ton of reads that have "implicit meaning", let's say - or in other words, unexplained reads. And they are many. This is strange.

Also, more specific question: is your read on Stealth basically "he's calling me scum, he's wrong, so he's scum", or is there something more to it? I'm obviously assuming you're town when asking that question and saying he's wrong when calling you scum, but I'm not convinced of it at all

On one hand, Wrath has been very weirdly fixated on irrelevant stuff which i think he thinks is actually relevant, which is a town tell for green players. But at the same time he has no conviction, no aggression, and only sheeps on to something after other people lead the way which is wolf indicative, but then also at the same time, he doesn't have a particularly confrontational personality, so it might be less wolf indicative

Such as?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

As I do not have a lot of time, I will leave my vote here for now.
Ceko seems to be dubious, not really pushing, more passive compared to other games I've played with him.
Could it be this break, or the color of the rolecard he received, let's find out.

-vote theoneceko

I can get behind this. -imaginary vote on ceko that I'm not placing for real because I want to keep my vote on Lag for now since it's a relatively hot topic

Aside from that...

Maths are against the town.
That's what I've learned from my past games.

+1

HMM

[Lumi]

All of this is very... un-Laggy? Like, you're OMGUSing me for scumreading you (considering it's literally the only thing you could read me on at that point of the game lol), and you're giving a ton of reads that have "implicit meaning", let's say - or in other words, unexplained reads. And they are many. This is strange.

Also, more specific question: is your read on Stealth basically "he's calling me scum, he's wrong, so he's scum", or is there something more to it? I'm obviously assuming you're town when asking that question and saying he's wrong when calling you scum, but I'm not convinced of it at all


Such as?

What order are you reading the posts in? Because it seems like you're reading it from both the start and the end, which is a weird order, but I can kind of get it.

Your questions are largely answered later, but to summarize them: I ended up townreading you after the reflexive OMGUS because I realized I've blindsided you with my meta flexibility enough times that if you weren't wary of me it'd be kind of weird. You're a null read now.

Also, no my read on stealth is not just that he's calling me scum, it boils down to a few very important things which taken together is strongly wolf indicative:
1) He called me scum at a very early point in the game after I had an off-meta opening
2) He was totally convinced that I was a wolf at a point in the game where there simply wasn't enough information for such certainty
3) He had several posts that were at their core just posts congratulating other people for wolf reading me, or making jokes about how I'm open wolfing
4) When I asked him questions to try to understand where he was coming from he seemed to just double down without any interest in actually solving my slot
5) His analysis on slots other than me has ranged from shallow to superficial to nonexistent
6) His reasonings explained why actions that I could be doing could come from a wolf, but completely ignored how they could also come from town.

All put together it reads like a wolf that doesn't have real thoughts about the game, found something they can latch onto, tunneled on that, got caught, decided to double down on it, and have been hoping that they won't have to actually spew other slots.

I was very careful in my initial responses to stealth to try to defuse the tunnel, because it's really easy to get false positives when you're using bad tunnels as a means to read alignment - people will tunnel irrationally when they're angry or annoyed, which is why I made my initial responses to him just very open ended, unconfrontational, and probing. But despite that he seemed to really have zero interest in engaging with me or solving my slot.

He seemed to just want to say "yep this is a wolf" then tune out.

Like he miiiiight be town that's clout chasing try to catch or push a respected player? But that angle doesn't feel as plausible as just a wolf since SB16 doesn't seem like the type to clout chase.
He miiiight just have gotten himself confbiased out of his mind? But like, he got there soooo early, and seemed totally uninterested in considering townie motives that it doesn't feel right either.

I think he just accidentally outed himself as a wolf, plain and simple

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Oh damn, you got some balls trying to shade me for low post count when that has not been indicative of my alignment for literal years.

+1, but where are your snarky yet useful remarks based on this? It feels like you're on the defensive instead of actively trying to catch scum and humiliate them with your witty posts like you usually do. And even if I put meta aside, this just feels defensive.

This ["trying to rage bait me by voting for me to try and incite a reaction"] is a town tell for PQ.

It's not. It's just his style. Saying provocative stuff is just how he plays.

I think this is, frustratingly, NAI for PQ.

RVS IS GOOD

[Lumi]

All of this is very... un-Laggy? Like, you're OMGUSing me for scumreading you (considering it's literally the only thing you could read me on at that point of the game lol), and you're giving a ton of reads that have "implicit meaning", let's say - or in other words, unexplained reads. And they are many. This is strange.

Also, more specific question: is your read on Stealth basically "he's calling me scum, he's wrong, so he's scum", or is there something more to it? I'm obviously assuming you're town when asking that question and saying he's wrong when calling you scum, but I'm not convinced of it at all


Such as?

Oh also, the wrath thing. Wrath's entire argument for me being scum basically boiled down to "Lag is asking people for their roles, and town Lag wouldn't do that, they would use a more sophisticated method."

Which was totally irrelevant because the premise was just... not even true. I asked Wrath his alignment, asked no one for their role. Maybe wrath doesn't understand the difference between role and alignment? Maybe he misunderstood something? I have no clue, but he seemed weirdly fixated on something that never happened, hence that comment.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

What order are you reading the posts in? Because it seems like you're reading it from both the start and the end, which is a weird order, but I can kind of get it.

Exactly! Liveposting EVOLVED

Your questions are largely answered later, but to summarize them: I ended up townreading you after the reflexive OMGUS because I realized I've blindsided you with my meta flexibility enough times that if you weren't wary of me it'd be kind of weird. You're a null read now.

Also, no my read on stealth is not just that he's calling me scum, it boils down to a few very important things which taken together is strongly wolf indicative:
1) He called me scum at a very early point in the game after I had an off-meta opening , which is perfectly fine xD
2) He was totally convinced that I was a wolf at a point in the game where there simply wasn't enough information for such certainty "Totally convinced" is a little too strong, but he was indeed confident. I don't think it goes to the point it is scummy due to a disparity between information and confidence, though.
3) He had several posts that were at their core just posts congratulating other people for wolf reading me, or making jokes about how I'm open wolfing +1
4) When I asked him questions to try to understand where he was coming from he seemed to just double down without any interest in actually solving my slot Hmm, I don't think I've seen that, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist; could use examples, and if you're town and right, it would only strenghten your case anyway
5) His analysis on slots other than me has ranged from shallow to superficial to nonexistent +1
6) His reasonings explained why actions that I could be doing could come from a wolf, but completely ignored how they could also come from town. Yes, but this can be explained by town tunnelling and isn't really scummy in itself; however, the lack of plausibility of the confbias theory (see comment at the end of the quote) makes this a little scummy

All put together it reads like a wolf that doesn't have real thoughts about the game, found something they can latch onto, tunneled on that, got caught, decided to double down on it, and have been hoping that they won't have to actually spew other slots. Yesn't? Stealth still decided to call out Wrath for giving me a townread for attacking you but not giving it to him for doing the same thing. That is not the kind of thing you do when you don't want to spew anyone, because Stealth and Wrath don't look SvS here, and that's thanks to Stealth. Could just be a misplay from scum!Stealth, though.

I was very careful in my initial responses to stealth to try to defuse the tunnel, because it's really easy to get false positives when you're using bad tunnels as a means to read alignment - people will tunnel irrationally when they're angry or annoyed, which is why I made my initial responses to him just very open ended, unconfrontational, and probing. But despite that he seemed to really have zero interest in engaging with me or solving my slot.

He seemed to just want to say "yep this is a wolf" then tune out.

Like he miiiiight be town that's clout chasing try to catch or push a respected player? But that angle doesn't feel as plausible as just a wolf since SB16 doesn't seem like the type to clout chase. Definetly not. I know Stealth (well, know-ish, I guess, since we've never done much more than play FM together, but for all intents and purposes, this should be sufficient here), and he doesn't do that.
He miiiight just have gotten himself confbiased out of his mind? But like, he got there soooo early, and seemed totally uninterested in considering townie motives that it doesn't feel right either. Miiiight is the right way to say it. But considering what I've just pointed out in my last post, probably not. Being defensive and being confbiased doesn't match.

I think he just accidentally outed himself as a wolf, plain and simple

Comments in red. I like this. Unfortunately, it's a long logical post, which you tend to make when you're scum and which I tend to fall for, so if you are scum again, I will have to instantly scumread you every single time you make a long logical post in the future. Either way, you get to live here, and Stealth gets to be pressured.

-vote Stealthbomber16

[Mizery]

im in

Woofy entrance

[Mizery]

Also I can't possibly be the only person who is like

Mm? Mrrr

[Lumi]

Also I can't possibly be the only person who is like

Mm? Mrrr

About Frinckles?

[Frinckles]

dude

[Frinckles]

my phone cracked

[Mizery]

About Frinckles?

MM

[WrathCyber]

Since sb16 hasnt made any coherent response, I'll bite

-vote Stealthbomber16

[theoneceko]

I heavily disagree with Lag's reasons for suspecting Stealth.

[Lumi]

I heavily disagree with Lag's reasons for suspecting Stealth.

Okay, why do you disagree?

[theoneceko]

@Marshmallow Marshall I'll admit my play at the very start of this game was awful, but on that specific comment I was just being sarcastic. Besides, even if I was in the Illuminati, that comment would not make sense because not even the Illuminati know exactly what's going on in this game. There are three neutral roles in this game, and the Illuminati are simply an informed minority. They're not an omniscient minority.

[theoneceko]

One or more people quietly moved up in my town list, but that means I'd have to move some people down.

[theoneceko]

I'm going to stop baiting for reactions and just try to solve the game.

[theoneceko]

@oliverz144 Where are you?

[Frinckles]

red velvet

[theoneceko]

We're not going to get more info from Stealth's slot. Can Frinckles and Lag both vote Oliver?

[Lumi]

I'm going to stop baiting for reactions and just try to solve the game.

You should start solving, yes.

[Frinckles]

why would i do that emaji

[Frinckles]

like id be down to vote stealth. maybe even brad but oliver?

i havent even interacted with him

[Lumi]

We're not going to get more info from Stealth's slot. Can Frinckles and Lag both vote Oliver?

I'll give him until 12 hours before the end of the day

[theoneceko]

I know I care too much about winning when I start sacrificing my mental health. Good luck, and please vote Oliver.

[theoneceko]

You should start solving, yes.

I analyzed one slot and can tell you about it. I won't do it right now though.

[Lumi]

I know I care too much about winning when I start sacrificing my mental health. Good luck, and please vote Oliver.

Oliver has posted a grand total of 5 letters this game, why is this such a priority for you? A chop on oliver would essentially be a policy chop.

[Lumi]

I analyzed one slot and can tell you about it. I won't do it right now though.

Why not right now?

[Lumi]

like id be down to vote stealth. maybe even brad but oliver?

i havent even interacted with him

Why brad?

[Frinckles]

I know I care too much about winning when I start sacrificing my mental health. Good luck, and please vote Oliver.

ceko we're having fun dont pull out that rhetoric

[Frinckles]

Why brad?

you seriously townread him

[BananaCucho]

Oof how much time we got left? Maybe I'll try reading backwards

[BananaCucho]

@BananaCucho what do you want to know from me?

I mean I posted about you and voted you, the least you could do is address it...

[Mizery]

I analyzed one slot and can tell you about it. I won't do it right now though.

I don't understand why you say "im going to stop baiting for reactions" and then refuse to say real things.

I want to townread you but I can't

[Lumi]

I don't understand why you say "im going to stop baiting for reactions" and then refuse to say real things.

I want to townread you but I can't

what's your read on brad?

[Mizery]

what's your read on brad?

probably town

[BradLand]

@Mizery

You're scumreading MM?

[Lumi]

probably town

Why?

[BradLand]

Why?

Look at the biceps.

[Mizery]

Why?

i vibe with his reads so far

[Mizery]

@Mizery

You're scumreading MM?

i am voting him

[BradLand]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

All hail the magic conch.

[Mizery]

Oof how much time we got left? Maybe I'll try reading backwards

valid method

my preffered method of catchup is starting at the most recent post, then going until i hit an interesting quote, then following the conversation back until i understand it, then going forward until i hit an interesting quote chain and rinse and repeat

I've heard so much about you

[Mizery]

lag come back

[oliverz144]

Can you explain something to me? Are your three votes all RVS? Because you seem to be tryharding already but bouncing your vote as if you're not.

imagine some guys playing a ball to eachother. those are active/online slots in the thread
and now theres pqr, who is a dog, who sprints to the guy who has the ball rn. this sprinting is him pressuring, poking, voting.

[BradLand]

Oliverz, if you were in a plane...and you needed to get to North Carolina in about 5 hours...and the plane doesn't have an engine...and it's about 30 degrees outside...what restaurant do you decide to go to eat at?