S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

[Stealthbomber16]

Too late, I was already offended when I got mislynched I feel like MVP has to be biased towards end-game. I could have been the MVP by mechanics if I had hammered Mr Pain and I would have regained my ultimate heal+RB abilities. Instead, I got lynched because the main Pain train ended in crabicide. That was actually a very nice play by MartinGG that I should have seen coming. I took my sweet time instead of hammering D3.

You hammering a second person early would've absolutely affirmed the theory that we were in a multiball setup and you were purposefully trying to end the day discussion early. You would've been turboed IMMEDIATELY day 4.

[Stealthbomber16]

Mr Pain here.

-vote FM-Forsaken Bones

They're the MVP here I think. Runner-up has to be CBI agent.

A number of misplays were made by both town and triad over the course of the game and I don't know who would be an MVP among them but potentially one of the F3 participants.

Forsaken is absolutely my runner up MVP. But I think Purple did an amazing job carrying for as long as he did.

[PQRnHack]

Mr Pain here.

-vote FM-Forsaken Bones

They're the MVP here I think. Runner-up has to be CBI agent.

A number of misplays were made by both town and triad over the course of the game and I don't know who would be an MVP among them but potentially one of the F3 participants.

Scum votes don't count! IDK Chad to me was like the main shoe-in townie that I felt I could trust based on their reasonable posts and keeping an open mind. I was not so confident about others. I suppose my vote may be biased towards picking a player I had positive feelings towards because we were of same town alignment. If I were to rethink that and unfuck, i mean unbias, myself. I would consider Purple for the bussing and gambits.

[MartinGG99]

Forsaken is absolutely my runner up MVP. But I think Purple did an amazing job carrying for as long as he did.

Oh I'm not denying that.

But FMPOV as much as Purple played his part preety well, and adjusted according to the developments of the game, IIRC it originally started on the belief that Tess would be a mafia.

My facts may be slightly off though as its been a long while since I was in Triad Chat.

I can't think of many if any misplays from the neutrals though.

[PQRnHack]

You hammering a second person early would've absolutely affirmed the theory that we were in a multiball setup and you were purposefully trying to end the day discussion early. You would've been turboed IMMEDIATELY day 4.

I disagree with that assumption. We had reasonable expectations and knowledge that day-kill mechanics were a thing. Ending the day early is reasonable in my book, but yeah I get shit for terminating the day early all the time from town, so what else is new?

I really just wanted to secure my incredible abilities for town. I RB a person and be untargettable (which acts as a heal!). And I also heal a person and they also heal someone else. It's like having doc-chains YOLO on steroids. I was in love with my abilities, what can I say?

But thanks for being rational and calm this game, I liked this from you a lot more. Now I know how to tell when you are town vs scum

[Stealthbomber16]

I disagree with that assumption. We had reasonable expectations and knowledge that day-kill mechanics were a thing. Ending the day early is reasonable in my book, but yeah I get shit for terminating the day early all the time from town, so what else is new?

I really just wanted to secure my incredible abilities for town. I RB a person and be untargettable (which acts as a heal!). And I also heal a person and they also heal someone else. It's like having doc-chains YOLO on steroids. I was in love with my abilities, what can I say?

I mean, you weren't widely considered to BE town.

But thanks for being rational and calm this game, I liked this from you a lot more. Now I know how to tell when you are town vs scum

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post961123

lol

[Frinckles]

based and chillpilled SB16

[Frinckles]

That said, the Bones-Bones-Mafiabro-Tesseract alliance was forming. Scum had to sabotage and poison us, sad times.

[NANOOK]

Hi guys, mafia bro here

[NANOOK]

-vote FM-oh no

for mvp

[FM-Purple]

I thought Mafia Bro was Mac lol

[PQRnHack]

I mean, you weren't widely considered to BE town.



https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post961123

lol

I remember those moments and goes back to my point about your keeping an open mind, it was a HEALTHY thing to do.

[Guillo]

Hi I'm Guillo!

[Guillo]

I mean.. Purple

[Guillo]

-vote FM-Ohno

for MvP

[NANOOK]

I thought Mafia Bro was Mac lol

😆😆

[Guillo]

Overall it was a great game.

I think we were dealt with a short hand with some of the roles but I found out Town had quite the share of bad ones too so, it worked out.

Special thanks to everyone for playing with me and giving me scars! I'm a SC2 warrior now with scars from this game to show.

I used to call myself king of bastard games but no longer, this was DA game I had to conquer to claim that title and I couldn't lol. So until we win a KRC, I'm just a bastard lol.

Players of note

Ohno
Chad
Father and son
Mafia Bro just soul read me and I had to kill him.
Tesseract was getting increasingly dangerous, he didn't buy my red on Inco, he had to go.
Bizarro for that day vig on Kitty.
It's-SOMETHING for catching Kitty!
If anyone ever got vanillaized the night SOMETHING died, that was us too, sorry about that lol.

[Guillo]

My beloved Mafia Team, thank you for putting up with me. I know I can be bossy and cocky and intense, but make no mistake, I bleed for my team and if anyone would have offered me to hydra with them to win with them I would have said no, I would have died with my team and take that loss.

[Guillo]

That said, the Bones-Bones-Mafiabro-Tesseract alliance was forming. Scum had to sabotage and poison us, sad times.

Of course we had to.

[Guillo]

Oh.. don't try to LHF me again lol. I almost got chopped on day 1 for tunneling Mr. Bones whom was a neutral lol and I when I was told by my teammates that I didn't die by a miracle... well, I felt compelled to show you the consequences of such hideous acts lol

[Guillo]

Chad Knight here

-vote FM-Purple

It's unfortunate that with the death of your final teammate the last information we needed to solve the game got revealed. There was probably nothing you could do there.

Thank you so much

[Guillo]

nothing to sya here, amazing play by this

-vote FM-Purple

Thank you

[NANOOK]

Overall it was a great game.

I think we were dealt with a short hand with some of the roles but I found out Town had quite the share of bad ones too so, it worked out.

Special thanks to everyone for playing with me and giving me scars! I'm a SC2 warrior now with scars from this game to show.

I used to call myself king of bastard games but no longer, this was DA game I had to conquer to claim that title and I couldn't lol. So until we win a KRC, I'm just a bastard lol.

Players of note

Ohno
Chad
Father and son
Mafia Bro just soul read me and I had to kill him.
Tesseract was getting increasingly dangerous, he didn't buy my red on Inco, he had to go.
Bizarro for that day vig on Kitty.
It's-SOMETHING for catching Kitty!
If anyone ever got vanillaized the night SOMETHING died, that was us too, sorry about that lol.

Fwiw I actually meta read you cause you were obviously, well, you lol, and I knew your early claim stuff was scummy for you

[NANOOK]

Obviously I couldn't say that in thread

[Guillo]

Obviously I couldn't say that in thread

This game being anon is why I did plays that if people like you were playing couldnt say shit lol or get modkilled. But I also fake claim as town and you know it, the difference is in the intent.

[NANOOK]

This game being anon is why I did plays that if people like you were playing couldnt say shit lol or get modkilled. But I also fake claim as town and you know it, the difference is in the intent.

Yeah I'm aware that's how I knew it was outing for you

[PQRnHack]

Just gonna put that out there. I KNEW my role was important. Thank fuck I did something useful this game (besides saying RESOLVE AND PURPLE GOSH DARN IT!)

"... you saved Chad Knight on night 1 with your power doctor on Dark Unicorn."

I did not bother to understand all mechanics after i was gone cuz I could not change the past. But it is nice to know that I impacted the past, after all!

[Frinckles]

Oh.. don't try to LHF me again lol. I almost got chopped on day 1 for tunneling Mr. Bones whom was a neutral lol and I when I was told by my teammates that I didn't die by a miracle... well, I felt compelled to show you the consequences of such hideous acts lol

I (Mr Bones) was town. :P I didn't lhf you, I just believed Tess/Mafia Bro more.

You guys writing me off as neutral was actually a good play.

[Helz]

-vote Guillo

Felt like I let them down with low participation twice. They never stopped pushing what they felt would lead to the win and put in a monster amount of effort even when I let them down.

Maybe some bias in how utterly poorly I played this game but while the town looked so apathetic they skipped entire days without analysis this guy was pounding his fists to the pavement and making shit happen through the entire game and into the end game.

[Stealthbomber16]

You guys are really voting me for MVP when my reads were wrong for half the game? Like damn, at least give me MVP for D009 where I actually played well.

This should go to Purple/Guillo or Forsaken Bones, no questions asked.

[garden gnome]

I mean.. Purple

Hi, I'm Gnome.
(still Gnome)

[DoctorZeus]

GG I was father & sun

My guesses were:
Phraze = earless Artiste
Grant or hollowkatt = cbi agent

That game was really fun at the start when I was puzzling, but, I think I played my role card wrong- should have holstered it for longer till we reached closer to end game & it was more mechanically useful.

I also never should have gone back on my read on you Guillo! I was convinced you were town, then, realised we HAD to kill Myopia, I knew they'd be healed. Still don't get why OhNo claimed that the mafia didn't have a healing potion.

Earless getting mischopped was so sad

gg mafia you did good.

I vote

-vote FM-ITs Something

for MVP because catching Kitty early was super important to town win- and- it was such a big call to make as death was the prize for getting it wrong.

Purple-Stealth bomber seconds (P.S. Sorry Stealth for not leaving a last will...)

[Guillo]

GG I was father & sun

My guesses were:
Phraze = earless Artiste
Grant or hollowkatt = cbi agent

That game was really fun at the start when I was puzzling, but, I think I played my role card wrong- should have holstered it for longer till we reached closer to end game & it was more mechanically useful.

I also never should have gone back on my read on you Guillo! I was convinced you were town, then, realised we HAD to kill Myopia, I knew they'd be healed. Still don't get why OhNo claimed that the mafia didn't have a healing potion.

Earless getting mischopped was so sad

gg mafia you did good.

I vote

-vote FM-ITs Something

for MVP because catching Kitty early was super important to town win- and- it was such a big call to make as death was the prize for getting it wrong.

Purple-Stealth bomber seconds (P.S. Sorry Stealth for not leaving a last will...)

ooooh you were Father and son, that makes sense

[DoctorZeus]

On balance and mechs!

Game was clearly very balanced- look at the ending. Throughout the game it never felt like one side was running away with it, and each time someone was caught it was for proper game play reasons, nothing noddy. Potentially there were too many cop mechanics, but, meh, it didn't seem that much of a problem once you realise Purple's was fake.

On mechs-
- I really didn't like max posting dynamics. It led to spam & toxicity and I ended up skimming over a lot of the thread when it was going on
- The shopper role was *chefs kiss*. I'd play a game designed around that & other economics stuff. I can only believe wolves were able to strategise around it a bit better but I think that's unavoidable. Really fund dynamic
- I wasn't a huge fan of renaming triad to mafia and having no mafia team. It felt like it encouraged WIFOM'y reasoning & felt a bit off to me given "everyone expects there to be a mafia faction." When we started flipping triads the fair assumption is there is another mafia team....especially with the fact the triads had that move to find mafia. Personally- it felt like a macguffin to me. I didn't feel rewarded when we worked out it was just mafia.

On flavour- great right ups garden gnome! I'd really really love if there was a way for everyone's role submissions to be flavour specific- something we could all try next time!!!

[Mizery]

in terms of underrated player, Eyes was for sure up there in my opinion

[FM-ohno]

*insert funny amongus copypasta here*

[oliverz144]

Cool Game, thanks Lag for hosting!
Below is my og rolecard
[hk][/hk]

Alignment: Mercenary
Role: Holely Digger

Factional Abilities:
Seek Allies
Each night, including night 0, you may visit another player. If that player is a member of a group-scum faction, you will convert to their faction and adopt their win-con.
If you are targeted by a group-scum's factional alignment check, you will convert to their faction and adopt their win-con.

Going Solo
Upon the death of the last group-scum player, you gear up to go solo. You gain a single bulletproof vest and a multitaskable factional night-kill.

Profiteer
You begin the game with twice as much gold and any income you receive is doubled.

Win Condition:
You are an Anti-Town faction. You win by surviving to see town lose the game.

Rolecard:
Target a player and dig a bunch of holes around their house.

Any player other than you that attempts to target that player will fall into one of the holes and be roleblocked for the night.
You may self target.
This roleblock ignores roleblock immunity.

[hk][/hk]

Outposting tesse was a... thing. I made almost more posts this game than in 4 other games - combined!
This was a fun game, and the real basterd here is ... LAG!
Yes, exactly, our great host that did a [B]very[B] well job hosting this game, just... decided to trick with us scummies! First my role, then scums alignment checks, aswell as the naming to triad, made me and almost everyone else think about multiball!
Great setup Lag!
And yeah, my joke about triad d1 was indeed nai. I wasnt part of it yet at that time.

-vote martingg99

for the correction on its somethings rolecard!
Town invests aimed very well this game, sadly

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You guys are really voting me for MVP when my reads were wrong for half the game? Like damn, at least give me MVP for D009 where I actually played well.

This should go to Purple/Guillo or Forsaken Bones, no questions asked.

Being obvtown and making town progress in reasonings is arguably more important than having accurate reads.

I can say you were bad if you want, though, no issues there!

[Gikkle]

what are the three "reserved" posts for

[Stealthbomber16]

what are the three "reserved" posts for

Capitalism. Lag is trying to own as much land as possible.

[deathworlds]

where is my post game analysis lag

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Capitalism. Lag is trying to own as much land as possible.

That's precapitalist feudal economy, though. Lag is nothing but a king-god-emperor here.

[Lumi]

where is my post game analysis lag

Oh no, I've been outed, I was just hoping no one would notice and forget that I was supposed to fill those reserved posts :eyes:

But actually I've been super busy with work recently and just haven't had the time to fill it out.

Deathworlds' action log is great though, so just to honor that I will fill those reserved posts this weekend

[MartinGG99]

Oh no, I've been outed, I was just hoping no one would notice and forget that I was supposed to fill those reserved posts :eyes:

But actually I've been super busy with work recently and just haven't had the time to fill it out.

Deathworlds' action log is great though, so just to honor that I will fill those reserved posts this weekend

Reserved 2

Reserved 3

Reserved 4

@Lag

woops

how did that @ get there

[OzyWho]

LagLagLagLagLagLagLagLag

[deathworlds]

I have not forgotten

[Marshmallow Marshall]

But I have! Thread archived, nothing to see there! *walks away whistling*

[Lumi]

Soon :tm:

[Helz]

Soon :tm:

I have a backlist of projects I have said that about for years : )