S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

[FM-Purple]

I tell you that they would be dead if they were town... and then you ask me why?
And I just told you, it's because I shot them 💀
Scum wouldn't want them dead, they're widely scum read (which is why I shot them)... but they're scum so that doesn't matter.

You know what? I believe you believe this.

[FM-Purple]

Who was the player that didnt claim tailor? I forgot and didnt write in my notes last noght. I wanna ISO them.

Also is there a way to pull up retro vote counts.

[FM-Purple]

I'm p sure this is what happened:

Did Bizarro claim having anything on DU?

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Moving forward- This is where I am at

Not gona lynch:
Father and Sun look great to me today. They are pushing all over the place and really digging. Their feedback can be a huge advantage as the game goes on. I really feel that even with the names changing we can use it to break mechanical lies later in the game.

Is that a Leaf also looks pretty good. Posts like 4160 shows they are not just triangulating positions taken but really digging into the thought process behind those positions. I honestly do not think they have made a single post that has pinged me while quite a few have me nodding to myself. They provide very original takes and are very open about their reads. There is also a consistency in their pushes which I like.

Purple is still the one that flat out championed the Incognito lynch. I disagree with the mechanical push on them in a world with miller utility, issues of semantics and multiple death tailors existing (one claimed item earlier and now we know Earless -who I scum read- also has one) while the scum had a big window of time to use a tailor and reasonable certainty Tess would go down. On top of that I still do not town read Tess even with their flip. They were very survival focused and hell bent on developing their powers each day. My lizard brain feels like the push on them today could be a coordinated action of tailoring Tess to shade Purple then shoving them for a lynch but regardless they should not be on the block today.

Could lynch:
Myopia could be lynched. Poisoned with a question of 'where is the missing antidote.' I don't have any reason to think they are town but given they could be self resolving. I would really favor their lynch if have no better options, just to throw the nail in the coffin.

Chad Knight I have questions about. I know I have taken no action yet this game but they say I have visited them twice. Given their role claim this second visit should have come with some kinda info about what my visit did or did not do but when they pushed that I visited them they did not mention that.
The bigger issue is Forsaken Bones interaction with them. Forsaken claims to be considering to reveal who shot Demonic while also asking Chad 'Is there any items you want to claim that you have?' This looks to me like Bones threatening to out Chad in a cheeky way and Chad was one of the people active in the thread while the shots happened. This would indicate Chad as the shooter. As I said before, if the shots were targeted they do not look town and if they were the Bow there is little reason town would buy and use those.

Spoiler : Bones / Chad interaction :

3947

Heh. I know who did that.
Person who did that, do it again. I know you can.

3951 Forsaken speaking to Chad, Potentially cheeky insinuation.

I'm more surprised that Purple would claim a lie detector shot on a townie.

Forgive me for the intrusive question, but have you bought anything from the shop you'd like to claim publicly?

3952 Potentially thinly veiled threat

Oh also, I have a green check and I know who shot Demonic.
Both of those will come up in time, might reveal who shot Demonic. Might not.
My outgoing message to the anonymous shooter still stands.

3953

I purchased a crab hat, and a lootbox.

Take a moment to consider why Forsaken bones would ask about a crab hat. Also consider that Bones had already won the game and was just raising a bit of hell for giggles on his way out. He had no reason to lie. This is a huge red flag to me. I would place them quite a bit lower for this interaction but I have town read them most of the game.

Then 3958 a shot kills Blue Beard

Think we should lynch:
CBI Agent looks pretty bad. They are taking positions with little reasoning and do not seem consistent. Like in 3979 he says his game flipped and all his top town reads are dead. Really.. Those flipped players were his top town reads? I do not remember seeing that line of thought before (Although I have not read chunks of this game.) Then in 3076 he insinuates that he Neutral read Forsaken Bones. So.. Not pushing neutral reads? Other than that I just see a lot of bendy behavior. I do not have a reason to believe this slot is town.

Earless Artiste looks bad as well. Taking a shot that only kills town is something I can not imagine a town player doing. Then they try to hide the fact they have a death tailor which is scummy as hell especially given its importance to the Tess flip. Then there is the fact the role card (3892) was specifically designed as a solo neutral. Then today all they seem to be doing is pushing to lynch Myopia.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Wow.. Didnt include Ohno. Meh

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

I will read him later. Unless something changes I doubt I would be willing to lynch them. Any of the 4 I poked above should go before him. I also feel like if Chad is town his utility is very useful. As the game goes on they would become a more and more powerful invest.

That fucking bones interaction is crazy though. Every time I look at it I feel like its Bones calling out Chad to take a second shot. And those shots do not look town motivated.

[FM-Purple]

Is nobody else going thinking how incredibly scummy it is to take a shot when your shot can ONLY kill town?

Actually, this is a good point. I didnt think about the mindset required to perform that shot.

[FM-Purple]

What if i use my lie detection on myopia?

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

-vote FM-Earless Artiste

I feel like this is the right move. Myopia is self resolving and favored as neutral over team scum reducing the chances of an antidote.

I feel like our best play is to sort between CBI agent and Artiste for today's lynch.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

What if i use my lie detection on myopia?

You could but I would rather you use it to sort a slot thats not self resolving. Feels like a waste.

What do you think about Forsaken Bones interaction with Chad?

[FM-Purple]

You could but I would rather you use it to sort a slot thats not self resolving. Feels like a waste.

What do you think about Forsaken Bones interaction with Chad?

I havent read it. I havent been focusing on Chad or Forsaken Bones. Can you point me to the specific posts in a quote wall.

[FM-Purple]

I havent read it. I havent been focusing on Chad or Forsaken Bones. Can you point me to the specific posts in a quote wall.

Inside a spoiler

[FM-Purple]

I got the equivalent of PTSD from my last lie detect check though. I fear i get a bastard result and fuck shit up again.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

I havent read it. I havent been focusing on Chad or Forsaken Bones. Can you point me to the specific posts in a quote wall.

Its already done in my read wall.

[FM-Purple]

Wow.. Didnt include Ohno. Meh

Why didnt you and why meh?

[FM-Purple]

Its already done in my read wall.

Yah im reading it now

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

To put it in context that starts right after the first shot killed Demonic.

It is also of note that the shop keeper knew there would be 2 shots. This further suggests it could be the bows given they 100% knew there was a 2nd item to do the action. Also could insinuate we have seen all the day vigs we will see for the game given that if there was a separate item to day vig the shop keeper may not have known there would be 2 shots. (Or less likely there is 1 more group of 2 shots existing)

[FM-Purple]

One thing is for sure. Oh-No and Artistre are never triad/triad if both their claims are true. I dont see triad wasting two actions to try to kill Myopia out of all people.

[FM-Purple]

Specially after Myopia being silenced.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Why didnt you and why meh?

Meh is about as much as my read on Ohno is. Haven't really dug into them, haven't really been pinged by anything they have done as scummy. Haven't really seen them as super townie. They just are not really on my radar. Realized after posting I had not even included them.

[FM-Purple]

If Chad is scum he has been pocketing me almost all game…

[FM-Chad Knight]

To be emphatically clear- I hard claim that I have preformed no action this entire game and basically played as a citizen. The moment I was told I was infected by a parasite I chose not to go a certain way because I did not (and still do not) know what the parasite does. Given the nature of my role acting as a citizen mitigates any impact it could have on the town. And again- I am against role claiming and would rather you guys not mindlessly push for me to do so unless there is some actual benefit.

FM-Father and Sun's ability + Chad's ability should allow for some level of sorting if I actually visited or if Chad is lying providing some level of information.

I would also point out how dumb it would be for me to visit a player again who saw me, and said they saw me the day before. That would be an objectively awful play as scum but makes a good bit of sense to shade me in some way if I was manipulated.

We absolutely know what the parasite does. It’s been revealed twice. That is not an excuse.

[FM-Purple]

Meh is about as much as my read on Ohno is. Haven't really dug into them, haven't really been pinged by anything they have done as scummy. Haven't really seen them as super townie. They just are not really on my radar. Realized after posting I had not even included them.

This same read goes for Chad when it comes to my read on him.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Me too. But why would town Chad buy and use 2 Bows? Or make those two shots?

It really looks like Bones is calling them out there.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

We absolutely know what the parasite does. It’s been revealed twice. That is not an excuse.

No. We do not.

None of that explains why I was told votes on me invert investigative results. The fact 2 players had some function could mean a 3rd exists. Or that some other function gave me that feedback.

I am not going to assume for certain that whatever it is is no longer an issue and I do not understand why you are pushing that its resolved.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

@FM-Chad Knight
Did you buy and use 2 Robinhood Bows?

If not did you shoot Demonic and BlueBeard through some other item?

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

@FM-Chad Knight
Did you buy and use 2 Robinhood Bows?

If not did you shoot Demonic and BlueBeard through some other item?

If so why did you target Demonic and BlueBeard?

[FM-Chad Knight]

Worth noting that 60% of my pins are dead. If anyone wanted to ISO me you could find all of them.

[FM-Chad Knight]

@FM-Chad Knight
Did you buy and use 2 Robinhood Bows?

If not did you shoot Demonic and BlueBeard through some other item?

I pinned leaf last night. I have only purchased a hat and a loot box this game.

[FM-Chad Knight]

If so why did you target Demonic and BlueBeard?

My role cannot double visit.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

I am talking about the day kills. The ones that looked like Forsaken Bones called you out for making.

[FM-Chad Knight]

I am talking about the day kills. The ones that looked like Forsaken Bones called you out for making.

I do not know what you’re referring to.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

I pinned leaf last night. I have only purchased a hat and a loot box this game.

The thing is I just do not see why Forsaken would ask 'Is there anything you bought that you want to reveal to the town' with those items. It just does not make sense as a question. And I am assuming Forsaken knew everything every player has purchased.

[FM-Purple]

Artistre hiding the tailor action bugs me, because that would explain why my lie detection that was guaranteed to not give me a false result did, god know how much i'l like that to be the case. And also Tess was playing like surviving at all costs the day i lie detected him while the next day he was ok with being chopped over their counterwagon that day. Saying shit like he came to peace with their chop and that when he flips town to kill me.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

I do not know what you’re referring to.

Look at the spoiler in my read wall. Post 4404

[FM-Purple]

Artistre hiding the tailor action bugs me, because that would explain why my lie detection that was guaranteed to not give me a false result did, god know how much i'l like that to be the case. And also Tess was playing like surviving at all costs the day i lie detected him while the next day he was ok with being chopped over their counterwagon that day. Saying shit like he came to peace with their chop and that when he flips town to kill me.

Or rather it would explain getting an accurate result and yet Tess flipping town.

[FM-Chad Knight]

The daykills that we’ve been accounted for have all been the weak energy pistols sold day 1, unless I’m missing something. 4 shots on leaf, 1 on purple, 1 on demonic, 1 on bluebeard.

I could have easily purchased and used one of those. There’s no proof that I didn’t. But I don’t think that if I were scum I would’ve been constantly referring to them all game.

[FM-Chad Knight]

Look at the spoiler in my read wall. Post 4404

I could see how you could find that scummy.

I have no response to it other than what I’ve already said. I did not make any day shots. I have purchased only crabs and crab accessories.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

The daykills that we’ve been accounted for have all been the weak energy pistols sold day 1, unless I’m missing something. 4 shots on leaf, 1 on purple, 1 on demonic, 1 on bluebeard.

I could have easily purchased and used one of those. There’s no proof that I didn’t. But I don’t think that if I were scum I would’ve been constantly referring to them all game.

Kinda feel like your feigning ignorance here. I really doubt you would ignore the potential of Robinhood Bows right after I asked you if you bought and used them for the shots. I could see the 'What interaction' bit if you had not read my read wall but the assumption that the shots were energy pistols is odd given how 4/5 failed earlier and we have 2 back to back kills. Then there was a role handing out items so potential for Armorer guns getting sold around.

This just feels like a forced reaction to me to say 'I am ignorant of the situation so it couldn't have been me'

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Maybe I am wrong. Regardless I am not going to advocate you should be the lynch today. Your role is valuable and outside of that really bad interaction I am stuck on I have town read you through the game.

CBI/Myopia/Earless is the pool that makes more sense.

[FM-Chad Knight]

Kinda feel like your feigning ignorance here. I really doubt you would ignore the potential of Robinhood Bows right after I asked you if you bought and used them for the shots. I could see the 'What interaction' bit if you had not read my read wall but the assumption that the shots were energy pistols is odd given how 4/5 failed earlier and we have 2 back to back kills. Then there was a role handing out items so potential for Armorer guns getting sold around.

This just feels like a forced reaction to me to say 'I am ignorant of the situation so it couldn't have been me'

I was under the impression the bows shot during the night.

Here, correct me if I’m wrong, I’m going off of memory. Both daykills happened before Forsaken exited the game, correct? At the time, Forsaken had the most gold. If the bow were shot at any time forsaken was alive, it would’ve hit him and failed because he had attack immunity, correct? Meaning those kills HAD to be energy pistols.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

(If I did not say it earlier there is a potential CBI is self resolving as well..)

[FM-Is that a leaf]

You know looking back on the thread both pain AND Myopia were the first two people to mention triad.
That's what the pain train was all about, right?

Hey, I think that's right! Pain was the first one though, so it doesn't change anything about Myopia as far as I can tell. However, it would be a good idea to check who called Pain out first, considering they are probably not Triad.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

I was under the impression the bows shot during the night.

Here, correct me if I’m wrong, I’m going off of memory. Both daykills happened before Forsaken exited the game, correct? At the time, Forsaken had the most gold. If the bow were shot at any time forsaken was alive, it would’ve hit him and failed because he had attack immunity, correct? Meaning those kills HAD to be energy pistols.

Maybe. My memory says they could be shot at any time and would immediately kill.

[FM-Chad Knight]

Maybe. My memory says they could be shot at any time and would immediately kill.

Your memory is probably more accurate than mine. I immediately wrote off the bows as overpriced garbage.

Regardless, the bows couldn’t kill at any point prior to Forsaken leaving because he likely had the most gold.

[FM-Purple]

Bizarro's not claiming any alarming info on Dark Unicorn looks good for DU. If DU was triad Bizarro would have known that DU was in a chat and called him out for it, or just shoot him like he shot Kitty.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

My notes are shit this game and its no longer listed in the store.

The reason I really think it was an immediate use any time was before I tried to buy the bow I asked if it just auto killed or if it was an item I could hold. I wanted to remove it from the game but was afraid that if I bought it that it would insta-kill someone so I waited for a host response. By the time they got back to me and I posted the order someone else had already scooped them both up.

It was specifically that the phrasing was like... "Immediately shoot bypassing immunitys a player who will immediately flip" from what I remember.

[FM-Chad Knight]

Bizarro's not claiming any alarming info on Dark Unicorn looks good for DU. If DU was triad Bizarro would have known that DU was in a chat and called him out for it, or just shoot him like he shot Kitty.

That’s a good observation. One I probably should’ve made.

[FM-Chad Knight]

My notes are shit this game and its no longer listed in the store.

The reason I really think it was an immediate use any time was before I tried to buy the bow I asked if it just auto killed or if it was an item I could hold. I wanted to remove it from the game but was afraid that if I bought it that it would insta-kill someone so I waited for a host response. By the time they got back to me and I posted the order someone else had already scooped them both up.

It was specifically that the phrasing was like... "Immediately shoot bypassing immunitys a player who will immediately flip" from what I remember.

The bows targeted the player with the most gold. They were locked to that.

[FM-Is that a leaf]

Who was the player that didnt claim tailor? I forgot and didnt write in my notes last noght. I wanna ISO them.

Also is there a way to pull up retro vote counts.

Earless Artiste is. And no, there is no way to pull up retro votecounts, but the thread's OP has links to EoDs, which include EoD votecounts.

What if i use my lie detection on myopia?

That would be a terrible waste. Myopia ought to die. We don't need check whether or not they are town, they are really, really likely to be non-town AND will never be trustable. I would rather have you do something like lie-detecting Dark Unicorn saying "my alignment is Town", something really standardized that cannot be semantically contested. Unicorn isn't a Miller afaik, after all. Have they claimed, btw?