S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

I mean we were having a disagreement but I dont understand why we're supposed to be in a 1v1

Like this interaction happens between two town all the time, us having a disagreement doesn't mean we're different alignments

A disagreement is one thing, but I had reason to suspect that DarkUnicorn may have had an agenda during the argument.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

DU was tryna stop a train on KCD for a good reason, he has an agenda with the Purp-Inco-Tess matchup. Simpliest scum agenda is lynch Inco, knock out Comrade.

This is just absolutely not true. All I did was ask for reasoning from Its Something. What they claimed did not make sense to me and I disliked other people arguing for them while they avoided answering. I still have an issue with Its Something as you can see in my above post. If my purpose was to chainsaw for Kitty why was I still on Its something before you came at me?

And honestly if I wanted to fight the Kitty push I could have brought up a lot of points I did not bother to. At the time I was also watching how Kitty showed up but did not respond for a while. Was thinking they could be Frozen while they scrambled for an answer. But again, that flip does not match what Its Something said so I feel like anyone in Triad with Kitty would assume it was some kinda RT and not feel like it was a real push on Kitty to begin with.

[FM-Mafia Bro]

A disagreement is one thing, but I had reason to suspect that DarkUnicorn may have had an agenda during the argument.

Right, sure, ok, but why/how does that say anything about my alignment? Like

If they flip town are you going to start pushing me? Why?

[FM-Purple]

@FM-Purple

Listen to me closely.

My role has two abilities. You probably already know one of them.

But the second, independent of my painting collection, allows me to visit someone at any Night (except Night 0) and copy their ability.

Here's the important bit I think I might have said before but I'm not sure.

I am going to make this absolutely clear now.

I visited Tesseract on Night 1 to try and copy their ability. Yes, I can also visit Myopia as part of my other action granted by the painting.

AND I GOT NO FEEDBACK FROM THE TESSERACT VISIT. NOTHING.

TESSERACT HAS NO NIGHT ABILITY.

Of course, this still can mean that Tesseract can still be scum or neutral whose only quality is their extra vote passive. But maybe consider the fact that Tesseract is just town?

I could keep my vote on Tess for now if we want to solve the Tess v. Purple v. Incon matchup.

But remember that a new matchup emerged in the fallout of SOMETHING's Red Check. Mafia Bro defended Something while Dark Unicorn tried to dismantle SOMETHING and Mafia Bro's arguments. Seeing that SOMETHING is cleared, Mafia Bro can be townread, and Dark Unicorn is much more likely to be scum now.

Consider voting up DarkUnicorn. ISO him, do your research, interrogate him. Or if we have another day-kill lined up, gun him down.

Nah my friend. Im not voting anyone outside of Tess and Inco today.

In fact i have to decide now. If i could i would vote both, but the fact that you are suggesting anything outside of my red checks means that you got an agenda and is not town indicative.

I wolf read DU fir defending Inco earlier but mechanical checks beat reads today.

-vote FM-Inconspicuous Man

[FM-Mafia Bro]

-vote FM-Purple

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

You and Unicorn were in a 1v1 matchup in the interval between SOMETHING revealing the Red Check on Kitty, and Kitty getting shot and flipping triad.

You defended SOMETHING's red check, Dark Unicorn tried to undermine it and redirect back to the Purp-Inco-Tess matchup. Now with SOMETHING's red check re-affirmed, the matchup between you and Unicorn is a little more clear, with Unicorn appearing more scummy since he tried hard to stop a votetrain or daykill on Kitty.

You are misrepresenting the situation. I am starting to question if you are doing it intentionally to try to paint me.

Have you even read my posts? I even linked you to the very post that gave me the idea.

It's like I'm a broken record here. You're not even trying to defend why you tried to discredit SOMETHING's red-check, and therefore stop Kitty from being killed. A vote train was actually developing against Kitty before they got day killed.

And you are just taking stances with next to no reasoning then straw manning my responses and painting the situation as you see fit. I am asking valid questions that you are ignoring. If you think I am scum, Me v Mafia bro is dumb considering my play this game. Me v Tess would make a hell of a lot more sense and the fact you drew this conclusion is so bad I chewing on if its in bad faith.

[FM-Purple]

-vote FM-Purple

I wipe my ass with your vote. You are next in line.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

A disagreement is one thing, but I had reason to suspect that DarkUnicorn may have had an agenda during the argument.

Not even Mafia Bro gets where you are coming from. Lol

Considering I was at some level of odds with them the fact they do not even agree with you should tell you something about how absolutely awful your thought process is here.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

I will be right fucking back with an ISO on the argument.

[FM-Mafia Bro]

I wipe my ass with your vote. You are next in line.

Ok boomer

[FM-Mafia Bro]

Not even Mafia Bro gets where you are coming from. Lol

Considering I was at some level of odds with them the fact they do not even agree with you should tell you something about how absolutely awful your thought process is here.

Yes it's very disconcerting

I understand why he thinks each thing individually, I dont get why he thinks our alignments are tied

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

I will be right fucking back with an ISO on the argument.

Yeah man. You go and try to find some stuff to justify the position you are making up. Because thats how scum hunting works right? You pick an alignment for someone and then go look for things to support that stance when you get called out for not having reasoning and the slight justification you gave is totally untenable.

Maybe your just so desperate to pull the lynch off your lover your flailing for any other potential train but you would do better to hunt off the flipped Triad than just jumping at the most opportunistic target you see. If you read the thread I do not even think I was the first to question Its Something's claim. Interesting you are not drawing the same conclusions about others.

[FM-Mafia Bro]

This is like when doofensmirtz and perry are temporarily on the same side

It makes sense thematically but it shouldn't be extrapolated that they won't be back to their shenanigans in future episodes

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Yes it's very disconcerting

I understand why he thinks each thing individually, I dont get why he thinks our alignments are tied

The biggest thing for me is that I have not been quiet this game. I have been extremely vocal against Tess and flatly advocating for their or purples lynch over Inconspicuous with a coming NK on Inconspicuous.

I just do not see how someone could think flipping a player would point to my alignment and not assume that player is Tess.

[FM-Mafia Bro]

Like I totally understand why you'd read me and unicorn as not partnered, why you'd read me as less likely Triad or them as more likely Triad, I do not at all understand why you'd read us as a difference check or 1v1. The individual components make sense, but the overall conclusion does not, much like a poorly constructed side quest

[FM-Mafia Bro]

The biggest thing for me is that I have not been quiet this game. I have been extremely vocal against Tess and flatly advocating for their or purples lynch over Inconspicuous with a coming NK on Inconspicuous.

I just do not see how someone could think flipping a player would point to my alignment and not assume that player is Tess.

Yes lol it's a deeply silly conclusion that there has to be one mafia between the two of us, maybe he's in a parallel universe episode while we're stuck in the primary timeline

[FM-Myopia]

Why do you want to eliminate town PR? I have extra votes, I have heals, I have roleblocks.

@FM-Comrade PickleRadish , I may need help from you and Inconspicuous to prevent this overthrow attempt. It is clear that ohno, Purple are not to be trusted and are likely scummates. Kitty and Myopia IDK yet, but clearly cannot be reasoned with. I think you can figure out that my vote on Eyes is not suspicious at all anymore, since it is evident that Purple(known to be a liar by me) and Myopia(who has yet to vote me but spammed to overtake my post count lead) are not team with me (well except Myopia could be a misled town, then we are technically a "team"), so I could not have possibly been trying to save either of them by voting Eyes.

your sentence about me seems like from a fabricated pov

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

A part of me wants to look at Comrade but another part figures its a waste of time considering they will probably die with Incon

[FM-Tesseract]

Criminal Network
The triad may assign a member to visit another player to determine if they are a member of the mafia. This factional action may be multitasked with role actions, but may not be multitasked with other factional actions.

Well things just got interesting. Apparently we are dealing with both Mafia and Triad factions. Not surprising to see Kitty as scum, they were one of the people voting me (in addition to ohno, Purple, leaf, blue beard last time I checked yesterday).

I have a few pages of catching up, which I may or may not have time get to before EOD. Purple's Triad check on Inconspicuous, if it is true, may be a Mafia's factional ability to check if the player is Triad (the equivalent of Criminal Network above). So keep in mind that Purple may very well be Mafia who found a Triad, if that is what Incons flips. What doesn't quite make sense though is that I thought Incons is lover, and we just got a Lover role in the Kitty flip and it reads like a 3P neutral unless their lover dies.

Things that still do not add up:

• I visited DU and ohno n1 (got no feedback), yet Father stated that no one visited 2 different players.
• Comrade claims they went to steal an ability from me, yet they got no feedback and I do have two night-time abilities (heal, roleblock).
• Purple claims that I failed Lie Detector test, while I know that I did not.

Considering that the Lover role specifies some hidden info, it is possible that some of the inconsistencies that exist are due to hidden information we don't know about ourselves. For all I know, maybe my heal and roleblock are not real abilities and in reality I did nothing?

[FM-Myopia]

Don't call me a bro. I sure as hell know you lied. I trust my rolecard.

I am reserving the 2nd part of it, but here is the top part for all to see.

Alignment: Town
Role: The Powerwolf

Factional Abilities:
Town is the uninformed majority and receives no factional abilities.

Win Condition:
Eliminate all anti-town factions.

Rolecard:
You are very adept at manipulating the town. You are determined to be the top poster at all times, so as to keep the town in your control.

hmm looks like u werent top poster neither sod1 nor rn
soo is it just for eods? or what?

[FM-Myopia]

this looks like conspicious pcliam
very fakish

[FM-Mafia Bro]

A part of me wants to look at Comrade but another part figures its a waste of time considering they will probably die with Incon

Much like a love interest in a bad romcom, it's not actually clear how it works

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

A part of me wants to look at Comrade but another part figures its a waste of time considering they will probably die with Incon

Yeah. Zero chance I am doing that.

Incon dies by lynch or night kill soon enough no matter what most likely. Even without the red check nobody really sees them as town. There are better things for me to do with my time.

[FM-Tesseract]

Is there an explanation for why Kitty did not utilize disguise to modify their alignment in the flip? If I understood correctly, SOMETHING granted them the disguise ability? Why is SOMETHING alive if they got the Mafia prediction wrong? Or maybe Kitty is actually Mafia but inversion flipped it to Triad and Triad's list of factional abilities?

[FM-Myopia]

i for one, believe tess is town

huh? frog is scum mate?

[FM-Mafia Bro]

Is there an explanation for why Kitty did not utilize disguise to modify their alignment in the flip? If I understood correctly, SOMETHING granted them the disguise ability? Why is SOMETHING alive if they got the Mafia prediction wrong? Or maybe Kitty is actually Mafia but inversion flipped it to Triad and Triad's list of factional abilities?

Excellent point actually

[FM-Myopia]

How is flipping purple first ever the correct play?

r u his mate?
i say yes.

[FM-Myopia]

i have zero

also whats an ld

lie detector

[FM-Myopia]

Look at my posts around page 34-35

although Im very tempted to vote Purple rn.

bro pages worth nothing here
especially with 50 ppp where you just requested to read 100 posts
like i like your effort and such but its kinda... not effective

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

Actually let me briefly unvote for a minute.

-vote unvote

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

Will be back later.

[FM-Myopia]

After Eyes corrected Tesseract's mistake, it became clear that they were town. I pointed it out and downvoted another player. Yes, it's a little strange that you didn't do the same.

Hmm eyes wasnt to be voted tbh yesterday

[FM-Tesseract]

I don't want to be "that" guy but a certain someone's mention of Triad D1, although could be harmless, may have been a true slip. It is evident that we have both Mafia and Triad, and they knew from the start of each others' existence because of that Criminal Network ability.

[FM-ohno]

Does anything even need to ve said at this point? If you somehow doubt the triad check on incops man just die please

TURBO INCO MAN

[FM-Father and Sun]

@FM-Father and Sun
@FM-Mr Pain
@FM-Its SOMETHING

don't forget to unvote Kitty Cat Dance. They were day-vigged and flipped Triad.

I suggest voting Purple, Tess, or DarkUnicorn.

Will xo

Someone looked in to death tailoring? I'm driving 3hrs atm so not playing tonight

[FM-Myopia]

So are you joining my town or not, Mr Gorbachev? We have a small town here, with some impostors we are yet to catch. I love to chase vodka with a pickle, and I enjoy my rye bread with salt or ketchup.

Pls. Dont. Call. Anyone here Gorbachev
Its not a compliment

[FM-Myopia]

Ok maybe Tess and Comrade are not teammates as I suspected.

Bro u believe my greencheck or not

[FM-Tesseract]

Things that still do not add up:

• I visited DU and ohno n1 (got no feedback), yet Father stated that no one visited 2 different players.
• Comrade claims they went to steal an ability from me, yet they got no feedback and I do have two night-time abilities (heal, roleblock).
• Purple claims that I failed Lie Detector test, while I know that I did not.

I have one theory. My roleblock is not a regular one. If someone else has the same kind or if my RB of ohno was redirected to myself, then that explains the first 2 of 3 inconsistencies above.

"Players targeted by this will be roleblocked and rolestopped. They will be unable to perform any actions for that night, and will also be un-targetable."

If this same kind of RB was done to me, then it would explain why Father did not see me (or anyone) visiting 2 different people and it would explain why Comrade was not able to copy either of my two abilities (as I would have been "un-targetable").

Still no explanation for the Lie Detector though, other than Miller, which supposedly is not an issue for Purple's LD.

[FM-Myopia]

I don't think a role claim serves any purpose as of right now. Lynching Tesseract over Purple is always right here, be it just because of behavioral reads on Tesseract (remember their EoD), and a roleclaim doesn't change anything to that. All it would achieve is the potential outing of pro-town mechanics, which helps scum. If Purple's check is bogus, there is absolutely no reason not to lynch them tomorrow (or to shoot them tonight, if townies can do that).

Tesseract
Do u diw if not top poster?

[FM-Myopia]

I doubt Mafia Bro and Tesseract are scum together here: it would be extremely unwise of scum!MafiaBro to openly defend scummate!Tesseract like this. This however does not exclude the possibility of multiple scum teams (and considering this is a 25 players game, chances are we have multiple scum teams). It is still something to keep in mind for later, though.

Wifom..

[FM-ohno]

Comrade. INCO IS CONFIRMED TO BE SCUM. IF YOU ARE TOWN, THIS IS NOT A 1 FOR 1 YOU RUN FROM. NO ONE IS AS CONFIRMED RED AS INCO

[FM-ohno]

Just turbo inco, ez 2 triad down

[FM-Myopia]

Considering I cannot think straight anymore, the time might have come for me to go off. Auf wiedersehen

Tschüss! Hab einen schönen Abend!
(Bye, have a nice evening)

[FM-Tesseract]

Well, I dont know what is going on with Purple, given the Lie Detector result was incorrect. It is clear no one is going to hammer Purple today, and frankly the presence of Triad with that Kitty flip gives some points to Purple's alleged N1 check of "Triad" on Incon. But there are still plenty of red flags around Purple slot: waiting so long to change "not town" to actually "Triad", incorrect LD result on me, pressuring me to say "Im town." in a single post. The one thing that was curious to me and what I don't understand yet is why would Purple lie about me, given that I know my flip will be Town (maybe they also have a death tailor like what was given to Kitty by SOMETHING). Or maybe Purple is town after all and this is BASTARD and I dont know why LD failed.

The kitty flip tells us that Triad has the ability to investigate for Mafia. I expect the same on the other side. I expect Purple to be Mafia here whose faction (not necessarily he himself) detected Triad in Incon, if Incon indeed flips as Triad. Mafia<>Triad stuff may be inverted as questions still remain over DU inversion and SOMETHING's survival. With that said, since I don't think there will be a consensus to lynch Purple today, I am fine with Incon given the developments today. If Incon doesn't flip Triad, then we will have more questions tomorrow.

-vote FM-Inconspicuous Man

Sorry, Comrade. Also, I still don't understand how Incon can be Triad, if Kitty's flip there listed out the role of Lover that reads as a 3P and not Triad/Mafia.

[FM-Myopia]

Let the record show that FM-Comrade PickleRadish is choosing to chop Myopia (while avoiding Eyes) and does so while recognizing that he is "town" and has a lover in the pocket (2 votes for town if kept alive). Good luck.



You know what, I was gonna let you dig your own grave as I know you to be a lying scumbag, but now I will go ahead and spend the time to bury you myself by responding to your posts that you are using to paint me in bad light.

The reason I posted that was because I wanted it to be noted to myself and for others that Comrade was sticking to Myopia and not considering Eyes. If Eyes flipped wolf, it was important to take note of who refused to vote him. That is not to say I scum-read Comrade, but those final moments of D1 could have been important (and as it turns out still are, because you were the tiebreaker so VCA is definitely in order, which I haven't done yet, because I already know you lied about lie detector). It's just as important as to people who found me noteworthy for voting on Eyes in the end myself, as I may have been protecting Myopia or Purple. Imagine that, protecting the guy who overtakes me on posts and the guy who fakes a lie detector test on me. Anyone who believes in a world where Myopia and I are a scum team is out of this world.

Stop tiring me to tou

Pls
Get some grip
Even as scum

[FM-Myopia]

Special announcement: the moofia scumbags have blackmailed me and I will appear as "guilty" (whatever that means) to any investigatives. My attorneys are hard at work to rectify the situation, and we will come back with a vengeance!



Oh wow you actually said something that is factual this time. Correct, no one blackmailed me, it came with my role. It is only recently that I felt forced to reveal more details of my role, sadly. I am a powerful town role with the side effect of the Miller modifier. In case any such garbage would have ever come up, I put the Miller Lite easter egg into my D1 opening post. But of course you will spin it like I made it up and put some fake Miller in there in my 1st post. At that time I did not even know that Miller was a well known Mafia game thing, it was more of a breadcrumb about my role. But after some folks spoke about Miller, I searched it up and apparently it's a well known modifier.

You LIED TO US WITHOUT A REASON
IRL
MAYORS CATCH A BULLET FOR THAT

[FM-Mafia Bro]

Wifom..

Got keep those options open to push later, amirite

[FM-Mafia Bro]

Well, I dont know what is going on with Purple, given the Lie Detector result was incorrect. It is clear no one is going to hammer Purple today, and frankly the presence of Triad with that Kitty flip gives some points to Purple's alleged N1 check of "Triad" on Incon. But there are still plenty of red flags around Purple slot: waiting so long to change "not town" to actually "Triad", incorrect LD result on me, pressuring me to say "Im town." in a single post. The one thing that was curious to me and what I don't understand yet is why would Purple lie about me, given that I know my flip will be Town (maybe they also have a death tailor like what was given to Kitty by SOMETHING). Or maybe Purple is town after all and this is BASTARD and I dont know why LD failed.

The kitty flip tells us that Triad has the ability to investigate for Mafia. I expect the same on the other side. I expect Purple to be Mafia here whose faction (not necessarily he himself) detected Triad in Incon, if Incon indeed flips as Triad. Mafia<>Triad stuff may be inverted as questions still remain over DU inversion and SOMETHING's survival. With that said, since I don't think there will be a consensus to lynch Purple today, I am fine with Incon given the developments today. If Incon doesn't flip Triad, then we will have more questions tomorrow.

-vote FM-Inconspicuous Man

Sorry, Comrade. Also, I still don't understand how Incon can be Triad, if Kitty's flip there listed out the role of Lover that reads as a 3P and not Triad/Mafia.

Maybe

Just hear me out here

Maybe it's because

And I know this is crazy

Roles are alignment agnostic

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

An ISO on the fallout of SOMETHING's Red Check

Spoiler : SOMETHING's Red Check :

my real role and LW:

Spoiler : Role :

Alignment: Town
Role: Inspector Gadget

Factional Abilities:
Town is the uninformed majority and receives no factional abilities.

Win Condition:
Eliminate all anti-town factions.

Rolecard:
Every night, including N0 Inspector Gadget may give another player a gadget. Inspector Gadget has the following items to give out:
- a bulletproof vest
- a one shot gun
- a one shot roleblock
- a disguise (acts like a death tailor)
- a reflector (actions on that player over the next period will instead be used on another player of that players chosing)

These will refresh once all used.
Inspector Gadget will then use their powers of deduction to work out the alignment of the player they have targeted.
If they guess the alignment of the player they targeted correctly, Inspector Gadget will live for another day!
If they guess the alignment of the player wrong, Inspector Gadget will die

Spoiler : LW :

-N0, gave FM-Kitty Cat Dance a Disguise item. They can use Disguise item to change their role flip, including alignment.
-D1, I brought 4 Weak Energy Pistols for 200 gold each.
-N1, I received +200 gold for being on Eyes wagon and +238 gold for "mining operations".
-N1, I give gun to Bizzaro Pepi.
-N1, I guess Kitty's alignment as Mafia.
-If Kitty is not Mafia[exactly], I'm dead. I'm dead.
-If I'm dead, Kitty is likely not be Mafia[exactly]. Not guaranteed.

It's the worst gambit in FM history ever pulled, and I'm surely on my way to DVC now. I'd Town Read Kitty every time here if it wasn't for leaf being a thing. Speaking of, Pepsi got the gun to shoot leaf. May I have no just thrown the game, but usually I do so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hero Syndrome is not a real thing guys. It's all paranoia. I told you my name is paranoid-schizoid King!

Thing is, I heavily Scumread leaf and slightly scum suspect Cat for things that we're not allowed to talk about.
But even so, if it wasn't for leaf - I'd be dead right now. It's because of leaf that convinced me to guess Cat's alignment to be Mafia. I'd have guessed him Town due to probabilities but looking at their ISO's simultaneously convinced me that they're wolfing together. I ended up being correct about Cat, you can imagine how certain I am of leaf being a wolf given that he was my whole reason of guessing Cat to be Mafia with him.
That's neither here nor there, Cat is a confirmed Mafia and must be lynched today, you guys can think about leaf on your own at a later day.

Btw, once you know that they're both mafia, it quickly becomes extremely obvious that the Open Wolfer, DU, is wolfing with them. Plenty of posts show that.
And before that bloody Open Wolfer even comes here to start spamming useless crap, as seems to be his game plan, let it be known that my Role is based on game facts not feedbacks.

I'd hope that Town listen to their Sheriff.
I'd hope that Town can win after I deliver 2-3 Mafia on a silver platter to them.
But I know better.

Held in this information for as long as I could, in the hopes Cat would clear more people.
Either I get modkilled for not enough posts or I suicide at night. Either way - my condition doesn't allow me to play anything atm. Only thing I can do is to wish the best of luck to you all.

Spoiler : :

@FM-Father and Sun
@FM-Mr Bones
@FM-Mr Pain
@FM-Dark Unicorn
@FM-Earless Artiste
@FM-Forsaken Bones
@FM-Purple
@FM-Bizarro Pepsi
@FM-Demonic TP
@FM-Tesseract
@FM-Comrade PickleRadish
@FM-Myopia
@FM-Blue Beard
@FM-Chad Knight
@FM-ohno
@FM-Inconspicuous Man
@FM-Mafia Bro
@FM-CBI Agen

-vote FM-Kitty Cat Dance

Here was the initial red check by SOMETHING, but one detail seemingly left off (when it really didn't need to be said) was that SOMETHING gave KCD a Disguise item before the thread was ever open for the first time, meaning SOMETHING was purely guessing and not basing his actions on any reads whatsoever, because it was impossible for anyone to have any reads

Myopia and Bizarro immediately vote up KCD. "Finally a redcheck I care to believe in", Pepsi said on Post 2800.
Father and Sun vote up KCD soon after. "My initial read was right!" But eventually unvotes.

Blue Beard, another town investigative claim, comes in on Post 2873 saying that he doesn't believe in it.

This makes absolutely no fucking sense after reading it twice so no. I don't buy it. Another diversion from Tesseract/Incon/Purple.

We have focused on those three and we will solve them today.

So this is the first mention of "this is a diversion from Purp-Incon-Tess", coming from a very uncontentious voice that no one has challenged yet.

I have mind to shoot ITS SOMETHING for that alone. Giving a 'slight scum read' a death tailor.

Amazing stuff.

So a few trusted voices in the town seemed to have not caught on to the no-reads-possible-on-Night-0 shtick, and misintepret SOMETHING as intentionally giving a scumread a scummy item when SOMETHING was actually just randomly guessing on Night 0 without any reads to go off of.

Although yea this is one of the few times I would agree with Purple here, funnily enough, in regards to how SOMETHING handled his Night 0.

I wouldnt send out an item on n0 with no info, that is standard procedure where i come from.

but Mafia Bro does have a rebuttal:

The implication was that he didn't have a choice

Not that I particularly believe it tho, more likely SOMETHING was just irresponsibly using his night 0 action voluntarily. Need to hear more from the man himself.

So anyhow, Father and Sun is like "huh i noticed that red check from SOMETHING", saying he fully believes it, causing the following response from Leaf and Sun

Oh, N1 is over. That's why. Okay, that makes more sense. BUT BUT BUT WHY WOULD HE USE HIS ABILITY ON SOMEONE WHO HAS A SELF-TAILORING ITEM? That's the epitome of convenience lmao.

[in response to above leaf quote]

He can't chose.

He had to give any item to anyone N0. He hadn't had any interactions yet.

Giving the death tailor to someone makes most sense because mafia/town will act differently. Town will claim; mafia won't.

He has no choice on then using the action- he has to guess Kitty's alignment at EOD. If he guesses wrong he dies. He's alive, so he guessed right.

I do wonder if there's some weird potential w/w going on here but need to logic it out

So here, Father and Sun is finally clarifying the Night 0 thing, which would give credit to SOMETHING.

Now this is where Dark Unicorn chimes in:

I do not like that you are answering this. Its something that needs to provide their reasoning. Immediately gave me the feeling you could be aligned somewhere. Maybe you want to get the pressure off the Tess/Incon/Purple situation?

@FM-Its SOMETHING
Can you clarify your thought process on giving a death tailor to someone N0 and also giving it to a player you were willing to bet your life on that they are mafia?

Also, Why do you scum read Leaf? They are a town read for me.

He begins to contest SOMETHING, as well as accusing FaS for having an 'agenda'.

Begging its something for clarification is just giving them more opportunities to weasel out of that ridiculous move..

Of course, Blue Beard stays stubborn over his initial read of SOMETHING.

Father and Sun responds to Dark Unicorn as such

I was also wrong with what I said.

I've come round to thinking its likely w/w

so now here's where Mafia Bro has chimed in.

I feel like their claim isn't actually that hard to understand??

They had to give out an item n0. You know, BEFORE the thread is open. They gave death tailor to kitty. AFTER that, during d1, when the thread was open, they developed a slight scumread on kitty. AFTER giving them the item, because n0 happens before d1. They heavily scumread leaf during d1, and read kitty as being teamed with leaf, so they guessed that kitty was mafia on n1. They did not die, thus kitty is outed from their pov.


Like it's a bit convoluted as a role, but it's honestly not THAT hard to understand, and anyone saying "WHYD YOU GIVE A SCUMREAD A DEATH TAILOR" isn't reading closely enough cause that isn't what he's claiming

Mafia Bro also clarifies the Night 0 thing, which Father and Sun did. You would think Dark Unicorn would have gotten the message by now...

2nd time people are doing this.

Please do not answer for Its something. Feeding them arguments is anti-town.

If they are telling the truth they should be able to explain. Explaining for them ruins the reads we could get from their responses. If they are being honest they do not need other people rationalizing their behavior for them.

Nah, he was still attacking SOMETHING. I took note of this in my first post for today, the wall of text, b/c I was basically skimming instead of fully reading through the pages, and though DU made up a good point. That was before KCD got shot and flipped triad. That was before I came back to this post for this ISO to better understand the context behind the argument.

Both sides have correct points and some flaws in this argument. But the argument got a bit more pissy after that post.

Spoiler : chain :

It's literally already in the thread my dude

Like I'm not putting any words in their mouth, im literally just condensing/streamlining what they've already said.

It's not my fault I'm better at it than you, don't be a hater bro

If I thought what they said was clear I would not be asking. Obviously multiple people feel the same. What does it hurt to let them speak for themselves?

Right, so asking for clarification is fine, but don't get pissy about it when someone else restates what's already been said and act as if your inability to understand a straightforward concept is somehow going to catch them out in a lie lol

"I don't understand this"

"Ok, here's the same thing in a simpler form"

"Fuck you only one person is allowed to explain things"

Gonna unspoiler here because heres the other sus post from Dark Unicorn.

I do not feel like that is what you are doing though. I feel like you are making arguments for them. It does not help that I think you are not town but 2 things jumped to my mind when you responded.

Maybe you want to support anything to draw attention away from the Incon, Tess, Purple situation so maybe there is a wolf in there who you are aligned with?
Or maybe you are aligned with Its Something and do not feel comfortable letting me examine their thoughts without a bit of coaching?

Either way I don't trust you and I do not like you answering for Its Something. I am more comfortable with Blue Beard but I also did not like them doing it. If you are doing it in good faith it does not help to make assumptions on behalf of someone else. You should instead want to understand their thought process so you can sort who is lying and make an informed decision with your vote.

[COLOR="#FF0000"]He basically said it outright that he wants the town to focus on the Purp-Incon-Tess matchup.

Ok so I am wrong in my assumption that there's a specific matchup between Mafia Bro and Dark Unicorn. However, I still think I have plenty of good reason to start suspecting Dark Unicorn.

[spoiler=the chain continues]

No assumptions were made, I literally just restated the information they ALREADY provided. I added none of my own, made no assumptions, added no context.

Its not about understanding it. Its about getting Something to explain their reasoning so we have more material to analyze the situation with.

No. And with what you said you eliminated potential slips they could have made if they are lying. If you can not see that you might not be as clever as you think you are.

Either way we should not go into it until they Its Something responds unless you want to screw up the situation more and coach them.

Of all the conversations in the thread somehow this is the dumbest. Incredible stuff.

Its not my fault you can't read lol

He didn't have a choice sending an item according to him, sending death tailor was questionable

[/unspoiler]

Telling yourself everyone else is stupid when you do not understand why multiple people have the same issue is one way to justify your ignorance.

...Or you could watch what other people are doing to get a read on what they are thinking and looking at? Even if I am the ignorant one in this situation you could still read me based on my behavior instead of attacking me for asking a question to someone else. It really makes me feel like you are not objective in this situation and have some interest in this lynch past the potential of Kitty being Mafia.

That's right, I made a read based off your behavior in the argument, Dark.
While Mafia Bro resorted to insults pretty quickly, I think Dark accusing MafiaBro of trying to divert from Purp-Inco-Tess says something about who DarkUnicorn might want lynched today.
Ok maybe its not as strong of a scum tell as I initially thought, but it is still a tell that he and Bluebeard both used the "diversion" argument.

Now, let's talk about something else.

The behavior DarkUnicorn assumes is anti-townie, which is asking questions which may allow someone to lie further about their role, was exercised by Purple in Post 2951 to Kitty Cat Dance, a red-checked person who was scumread by a lot of people.

@FM-Kitty Cat Dance

Did you get a death tailor?

As we all saw, Kitty Cat Dance was able to scrounge up a counter that answers Purple's question in such a way as to paint SOMETHING in a bad light and make HIM a mislynch target on Post 2973.
KCD's attempt to redirect the lynchtrain on SOMETHING when skepticism already existed, was a result of the sort of behavior that Purple exhibited. Which is similar to behavior that Dark Unicorn criticized Mafia Bro and Father And Sun for.

Dark Unicorn has criticized that behavior when it was used on a investigative most people trusted. But he has yet to condemn Purple's use of the same behavior which was directed at a person scumread by most people and was about to be voted up.
Coincidentially, both are on the same page in regards to lynching Incon. While Purple seems willing to vote up Tess instead, Unicorn is all in on voting Incon.

Thankfully, someone (most likely Bizarro Pepsi since he claimed to have submitted a shot) day-killed KCD, stopping the potential mislynch right in his tracks.

Now to explain my own shortcoming in the initial posts:

1. I had just woken up and only skimmed through the pages for anything that immediately catches my eye
2. The KCD flip happened while I was in the middle of writing my wall of text.
3. With the way I write wall of texts after waking up or being away for long periods of time, I start from when I last posted, copypaste quote into notepad, and work slowly as I go. Pages and developments in the present happen while I'm still trying to comb through the past.
4. As we all know, I have a stake in Inconspicious not dying.

But at this rate, this seems like a damned if I do, damned if I don't situation for me.
I either vote Purp or Tess, giving weight to their wagons and away from Incon's, and most likely end up roleblocked b/c neither of them have paintings. Or Incon still gets lynched anyways and I'm roleblocked AND dead. Insult to injury.

Or,
I vote up my usual self-preservation vote (Earless Artiste) and end up dead b/c the town voted Incon. Who knows if I would even be able to do my action until then. I have a lot of questions for Lag which I'm asking to him privately right now regarding the roleblocking mechanics.
If the town is intent on voting Incon, I'm gonna vote Earless to not get roleblocked, and see if maybe I can pull off one last action before I die. Throw me any suggestions.

Here's the part of the rolecard that's relevant to that pursuit, with the exact abilities of the paintings watered down for confidentiality.

Spoiler : Rolecard :

Rolecard:
Four other players excluding yourself are in possession of works by Edvard Munch, the four most known versions of The Scream. The versions are believed to have been made in: 1893, 1893, 1895, and 1910.

You must vote carefully, as your vote on any these filthy art thieves (clearly, you are a noble individual that would never steal yourself, WINK WINK) has the following consequences.

Voted for a player that possesses a painting, but they were not the lynch:
No bonuses or penalties

Did not vote or voted for a player that does not possess a painting:
You are roleblocked for the next night. (And may not use your role ability as a result)

Voted for a player that possesses a painting, and they were the lynch:
Gain a bonus depending on the painting they possessed:
- Original 1893 - cuck my visitors
- 1893 - swindle
- 1895 - roleblock someone
- 1910 - vest

You may save these bonus actions to use on a future night if you wish, they are multitaskable and will not be roleblocked by failing to vote for a player that possess a painting.

If a player dies in possession of a painting, it will be shown alongside their flip and you will visit their body that night to collect the painting. This visit is not able to be roleblocked, redirected, or manipulating in any way, although you do not gain the bonus from the painting and instead simply add it to your collection.

Complete Collection:
After you have collected all the paintings, you may use your role ability unrestricted by the requirement to vote someone that possesses a painting during the day.

Role ability:
At night, choose a person to copy one of their random abilities (selected at random, if there are multiple abilities). You will be informed of the acquired ability, and it has one-shot use until you copy the next ability. You lose the ability if/when you copy another one.[/QUOTE]

The painting that Father and Sun sold to me is most likely the 1895, meaning I get to roleblock someone.

Will update my LW shortly.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

So to repeat, Dark Unicorn, why have you not condemned Purple's behavior towards Kitty Cat Dance, a triad flip, which is remarkably similar to that of Father and Sun and Mafia Bro, of which you heavily criticized as "anti-town"?