S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

[FM-Chad Knight]

im town and was using him to make everyone think i was neutral so they would fuck off until i could go to space and be safe for a night.

now im dead because more than likely some dumb town poisoned a role that can literally just EXIT EHE GAME

Bruh.

I'm gonna let you self resolve. That's a dumb play. Just be town lol.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

when did i say that you were scum?

i was saying you should be kicked off a cliff

Probably would be a good thing for society. Not gona disagree with you there.

Excuse me while I go spraypaint the wall outside of my local EDEKA and steal sandwiches.

[FM-Mr Pain]

I will re-read every ISO later and I'll tell you what I think. Now I only came to see your reaction to my last will, because I assumed that I would be dead with a high chance. However, I'm alive and that's good.
Now I am offline for 8-10 hours, see you later.

....you plan on re-reading what would almost be the whole game?

you, robotic sir, I salute you

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

im town and was using him to make everyone think i was neutral so they would fuck off until i could go to space and be safe for a night.

now im dead because more than likely some dumb town poisoned a role that can literally just EXIT EHE GAME

Well sure.

So now that you are in the open what do you feel about Tess reading you as Neutral and advocating for your survival?

[FM-Mr Bones]

in fact, any scum factions simply would have to count my posts to have seen that i had at least enough fruit to purchase warp drive and be night immune and a horrible target for any abilities.

what they didn't know is that i bought the stupid tracking for 2 fruits and was short too many fruits to buy it. so i anticipated that i'd be safe to blast off tonight, no harm no foul.

what i think im seeing now is some dumb towny who went yolo and killed me for no reason. because no scum team actually attempting to win would have done something as silly as that when they need to make sure their targets are as vulnerable as possible

[FM-Mr Bones]

Bruh.

I'm gonna let you self resolve. That's a dumb play. Just be town lol.

did you suspect me of being scum?

you have to realize this is probably multiball by now right

[FM-Mr Pain]

now that I think about it though they might've been talking about the people in their list tho

because 3k posts is INSANE within a 48 hour peroid

that isn't to say like 1.5k posts in a 48 hour period is any less insane tho

[FM-Mr Bones]

you're gonna 'let' me self resolve

like that means anything.

thanks for 'letting' me self resolve chad. i was hoping you'd put me out of my misery before the cyanide kicked in

[FM-Mr Bones]

anyway, since you're letting me self resolve

ive become self employed.

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[FM-Mr Pain]

oh can we even recieve items?

antidote's description clearly says it can be given

idk about other items

also don't know if in theory the transfer of the antidote would happen instantly, as the purchase would still occur at EoD

If the giving takes a phase then it may not be possible to save you unless an antidote already exists and is given to you or you buy the last one

[FM-Mr Bones]

nevermind, rocks are no longer for sale.

[FM-Mr Bones]

antidote's description clearly says it can be given

idk about other items

also don't know if in theory the transfer of the antidote would happen instantly, as the purchase would still occur at EoD

If the giving takes a phase then it may not be possible to save you unless an antidote already exists and is given to you or you buy the last one

precisely. i can only be healed by somebody who already has the antidote. and ill be in space tonight automatically.

[FM-Mr Bones]

k im gonna go drink, good luck town

ill slap a vote on somebody randomly later on.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

anyway, since you're letting me self resolve

ive become self employed.

CHECK OUT THE SHOP FOR SOME AMAZING NEW DEALS !!!!!

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-You had no issue with Tess Neutral reading you and never denied it
-You voted me after I pushed Tess who was advocating that you were neutral but should live
-You did not deny being neutral then, and still do not now
-You blame town for the poison because.. ..you plaid so hardcore for scum that you think its too dumb for them to go for you?

Why the fuck would I buy your rocks over the crack addicted Brazilian Jugitsu crab who does weird tree art?

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

I think I rambled about it in my last will but how has the town not taken greater issue with Mr Bones.

When did Neutrals become not worth something even talking about?

[FM-Mr Pain]

Whoever poisoned Mr Bones is gonna be the person in this video tonight.

I am going to throw a crab at you.

you ever watch that video on Hbox by EmpLemon?

I thought it was cool, though I never really watched competitive Smash

a bit sad though with how the community has historically treated Hbox

[FM-Mr Pain]

-vote FM-Blue Beard

Why didn't you disclose that you got something for winning the contest?

O.o

I ctrl+f contest in his ISO and didn't find any mention of that

[FM-CBI Agent]

I think I rambled about it in my last will but how has the town not taken greater issue with Mr Bones.

When did Neutrals become not worth something even talking about?

Mr Bones was an ez nk target for town.
arcade (who claimed neutral) self resolved shortly after gathering a train on them for being a scumbag
Kalediscope died after presumably buying infinite crabs.

[FM-CBI Agent]

Mr Bones was an ez nk target for town.
arcade (who claimed neutral) self resolved shortly after gathering a train on them for being a scumbag
Kalediscope died after presumably buying infinite crabs.

To further elaborate, we know Mr. Bones role, it can't really hurt town from what I read.

[FM-Chad Knight]

O.o

I ctrl+f contest in his ISO and didn't find any mention of that

Yeah hence the problem. This dude won an entire extra fucking rolecard and decided not to say literally anything.

That's bad play at best and scum at worst.

[FM-Mr Bones]

-You had no issue with Tess Neutral reading you and never denied it
-You voted me after I pushed Tess who was advocating that you were neutral but should live
-You did not deny being neutral then, and still do not now
-You blame town for the poison because.. ..you plaid so hardcore for scum that you think its too dumb for them to go for you?

Why the fuck would I buy your rocks over the crack addicted Brazilian Jugitsu crab who does weird tree art?

Why would I take issue with how people read me? I had plenty of players at minimum townreading me who I townread. Two of them are now deceased.
I voted for you because you where being whack tonally and logically and I feel like Purple is the scum between the two in the scenario that it is TvS. And I still do, and I still think it is.
I didn't deny being neutral by design, I was never asked. It was presumed.
How did I play hard-core for scum? By trying to keep a town read alive D1 who turned out to be town? By keeping myself alive by being somewhat aloof and not a huge scum target? Any scumteam with a brain would have at the very least ISO'd me since my entire role, including hidden mechanics is available. Then, after seeing only 10 posts of me mentioning fruits, could conclude that I was an unviable target. I expect less effort or coordination from a town player who probably lazily bought a syringe and poisoned me.

I took the rocks off of the market because some town member would probably buy them and waste their money.

[FM-Mr Pain]

Yeah hence the problem. This dude won an entire extra fucking rolecard and decided not to say literally anything.

That's bad play at best and scum at worst.

I'm more confused as to how you know he won the contest

or was part of it

[FM-Chad Knight]

I'm more confused as to how you know he won the contest

or was part of it

EoD1.

[FM-Mr Pain]

oh its above/before EoD1

the link to EoD1 via OP doesn't show it

[Lumi]

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[FM-Mr Bones]

I wasn't even that aloof this game. Hell, i have more posts than most of you and was always available to answer questions and never dodged one. I just played my role card and got ignored then poisoned, presumably by a teammate. So I get to be salty.

-vote FM-Dark Unicorn

[FM-Chad Knight]

Shopkeeper, you appear to be here.

Sell lootboxes.

[FM-Mr Bones]

Not my fault frog fractions was written for a 3P. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

oh well, see you guys at eod

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Why would I take issue with how people read me? I had plenty of players at minimum townreading me who I townread. Two of them are now deceased.
I voted for you because you where being whack tonally and logically and I feel like Purple is the scum between the two in the scenario that it is TvS. And I still do, and I still think it is.
I didn't deny being neutral by design, I was never asked. It was presumed.
How did I play hard-core for scum? By trying to keep a town read alive D1 who turned out to be town? By keeping myself alive by being somewhat aloof and not a huge scum target? Any scumteam with a brain would have at the very least ISO'd me since my entire role, including hidden mechanics is available. Then, after seeing only 10 posts of me mentioning fruits, could conclude that I was an unviable target. I expect less effort or coordination from a town player who probably lazily bought a syringe and poisoned me.

I took the rocks off of the market because some town member would probably buy them and waste their money.

Nah
You voted me after I pushed hard for Tess

My reasoning on Tess was deductive. Not inductive. It was that Incon/Tess/Purp would all clear etchother to some level. But that mathematically its better to go for Tess or Purple given Incon had a lover. As I favored Tess > Purple you voted me.

Please quote and explain where my reasoning was bad there. You could call my play many things but illogical is not one of them. I was not even making inductive pushes around the time you voted for me. You just did it because Tess Neutral read you and advocated to keep you alive and I called you for that shit.

[FM-Tesseract]

I think its gona be a thing but 1 sided. 2 problems though.

1. You lied to us that if you were not top poster you would die. That was just an excuse to grab power and I dislike that you felt the need to lie to do it. When people lie there is always something to hide and there is nothing to hide about a town player developing their role.
2. Purple's check on Incon was correct. You are going to have to explain how they are wrong about you but right about Incon. Honestly I am supprised you were not night killed given Purple is at least confirmed 'not triad.'

Regardless of what happens I doubt anything short of multiple hard action claims that would make me willing to lynch purple today.

Outside of purple who else do you think is not town?
And while I am at it why did you end the day 2 hours early?

Problems are sometimes those, which one creates for themselves (there is some irony in that).

1. Yes, I lied, because I wanted scum to think that I will be gone and they can coast on. There exists value in others not knowing all the details. Was it selfish of me? Yes, absolutely.
2. I already stated several thoughts on this. The fact that Purple hid the "Triad" aspect of his check for a while (initial was "not town") screams to me that he had something to hide, most likely Mafia Criminal Network factional ability that can detect ONLY Triad and nothing else (not town, not "not town", not android). Given Purple's confidence (which came from where????) that my Miller would not impact his LD result and the fact that he claimed I "lied" indicates that result was always going to be that I supposedly lied, and I know that result to be incorrect. Despite the negative vibes from Purple, I still had some hope that maybe he was legit, which is why I waited for LD result to see whether I should reveal more about my role or not. Once he stated that I failed LD, I knew he was trying to get me rekt, I went ahead and revealed because it is evident that Purple's supposed LD was incorrect (most likely fake). He would have been my lynch D2, but we couldn't get enough votes.

I ended early because I got to use my 2 votes to hammer

I already said it. Leaf.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Problems are sometimes those, which one creates for themselves (there is some irony in that).

1. Yes, I lied, because I wanted scum to think that I will be gone and they can coast on. There exists value in others not knowing all the details. Was it selfish of me? Yes, absolutely.
2. I already stated several thoughts on this. The fact that Purple hid the "Triad" aspect of his check for a while (initial was "not town") screams to me that he had something to hide, most likely Mafia Criminal Network factional ability that can detect ONLY Triad and nothing else (not town, not "not town", not android). Given Purple's confidence (which came from where????) that my Miller would not impact his LD result and the fact that he claimed I "lied" indicates that result was always going to be that I supposedly lied, and I know that result to be incorrect. Despite the negative vibes from Purple, I still had some hope that maybe he was legit, which is why I waited for LD result to see whether I should reveal more about my role or not. Once he stated that I failed LD, I knew he was trying to get me rekt, I went ahead and revealed because it is evident that Purple's supposed LD was incorrect (most likely fake). He would have been my lynch D2, but we couldn't get enough votes.

I ended early because I got to use my 2 votes to hammer

I already said it. Leaf.

Ok. Yesterday you Neutral read Mr Bones. How do you feel about letting them die or saving them now?

[FM-Mr Bones]

Nah
You voted me after I pushed hard for Tess

My reasoning on Tess was deductive. Not inductive. It was that Incon/Tess/Purp would all clear etchother to some level. But that mathematically its better to go for Tess or Purple given Incon had a lover. As I favored Tess > Purple you voted me.

Please quote and explain where my reasoning was bad there. You could call my play many things but illogical is not one of them. I was not even making inductive pushes around the time you voted for me. You just did it because Tess Neutral read you and advocated to keep you alive and I called you for that shit.

Opportunistic is what I would call it.

It's not like I had votes on me. Like what, maybe 1 from the church picture guy? We somehow got to a 1-1 town-triad trade which could have easily been in favor of a third faction if mafia exists, and it likely does.

And frankly you're being overtly defensive while talking to a dead man. Is it because I'm voting you?

[FM-Mr Bones]

Trying to give yourself brownie points for lynching a triad we knew was connected to another player is nonsensical. If Tess is correct, and I believe he is, you could easily fit into a Mafia faction.

Lynching in Tess/Purple was the play to make.

[FM-Tesseract]

Ok. Yesterday you Neutral read Mr Bones. How do you feel about letting them die or saving them now?

Don't really care, Mafia+Triad are bigger concerns. I am surprised by Mr Bones claiming town, I would have been more content with them claiming solo 3P in their own world. I had poor judgment on Inconspicuous Man like this already, expecting them to be solo 3P (in love with Comrade). And he also reverted and claimed town later, and now I see how that worked out.

[FM-Mr Bones]

This town somehow forgot that players can be right for the wrong reasons. Probably the amount of posts, multiball, I dont know.

Is there some reason you/purple don't have scum equity here DU?

[FM-Mr Bones]

Don't really care, Mafia+Triad are bigger concerns. I am surprised by Mr Bones claiming town, I would have been more content with them claiming solo 3P in their own world. I had poor judgment on Inconspicuous Man like this already, expecting them to be solo 3P (in love with Comrade). And he also reverted and claimed town later, and now I see how that worked out.

I never affirmed any of your allegations of being 3p. You just wrote me off as it.. even after my role flipped.

In fact, I've gotten so few responses from players this game that even if gorkmids (or whatever they're called) were useful to me, I've have less than 5 cumulatively.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Opportunistic is what I would call it.

It's not like I had votes on me. Like what, maybe 1 from the church picture guy? We somehow got to a 1-1 town-triad trade which could have easily been in favor of a third faction if mafia exists, and it likely does.

And frankly you're being overtly defensive while talking to a dead man. Is it because I'm voting you?

No. Its just me vetting if I should advocate for you to get an antidote. You have given me nothing to suggest that I should.

You said earlier you voted me because I was illogical. You give no reasoning as to how I was. Now you say I am Opportunistic. <-This is what I call inconsistent reasoning.

I did not think your town and your doing a good job of confirming that to me.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Trying to give yourself brownie points for lynching a triad we knew was connected to another player is nonsensical. If Tess is correct, and I believe he is, you could easily fit into a Mafia faction.

Lynching in Tess/Purple was the play to make.

Lol. That is exactly what I argued the hell out of at the time you voted me. Like.. Are you just agreeing with me here for the same reason you claimed was 'illogical' and voted me for?

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Don't really care, Mafia+Triad are bigger concerns. I am surprised by Mr Bones claiming town, I would have been more content with them claiming solo 3P in their own world. I had poor judgment on Inconspicuous Man like this already, expecting them to be solo 3P (in love with Comrade). And he also reverted and claimed town later, and now I see how that worked out.

Kinda sounds like you just don't want to declare opposition to them. But I am curious why you are so very Neutral friendly. What makes you so comfortable leaving non-town in the game?

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

This town somehow forgot that players can be right for the wrong reasons. Probably the amount of posts, multiball, I dont know.

Is there some reason you/purple don't have scum equity here DU?

Well no, because I know I am not. If you are asking me how I think others would read me I would think the fact I fought hard to keep the PoE between Incon, Tess and Purple would suggest some level of unaligned as well as that we would certainly have to both not be Triad if we were aligned.

[FM-Mr Bones]

Lol. That is exactly what I argued the hell out of at the time you voted me. Like.. Are you just agreeing with me here for the same reason you claimed was 'illogical' and voted me for?

What was illogical of you was you presumably superimposing yourself into this situation where you outline:

@FM-Chad Knight
@FM-ohno
Simple and logical. Purple is pushing 2 people. Killing Inco kills 2 players so its higher risk. Killing Tess or Purple is the right choice.

BUT THINK ABOUT THIS
(Sorry for the big caps nonsense)
Why are we shifting the train onto Incognito? In short, I think we should resolve between Purple v Tess for this situation and independent of the red check on Tess I still see their behavior as scummy.

Yes, I read the parts in-between. Just really capitalizing that you came to the same conclusion as me, and then bailed on it. Now I'll be honest, I wasn't here for the end of D2 so my bad. But yeah, you definitely flipped the switch on something that could have gotten town further ahead here.

[FM-Mr Bones]

Kinda sounds like you just don't want to declare opposition to them. But I am curious why you are so very Neutral friendly. What makes you so comfortable leaving non-town in the game?

Oh come on dude, every player in the game who gives a shit knew every detail about my role.

Even if I rolled scum this game, what the fuck was I going to do? Talk about Frog Fractions more to annoy you? I lost this as Town and I would have lost this as 3P. Scrutinizing Tesseract because he doesn't want to autolynch a Frog Fractions role doesn't seem very fair.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

What was illogical of you was you presumably superimposing yourself into this situation where you outline:

Yes, I read the parts in-between. Just really capitalizing that you came to the same conclusion as me, and then bailed on it. Now I'll be honest, I wasn't here for the end of D2 so my bad. But yeah, you definitely flipped the switch on something that could have gotten town further ahead here.

So.. You are saying I should have lynched Tess?

I remember making that argument, then voting Tess, then you voting me very shortly after. When I called you out for chainsaw voting me to protect the guy that read you as neutral and advocated to keep you alive did not have much to say about it. Did not even deny that was what you were doing if I remember right.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Oh come on dude, every player in the game who gives a shit knew every detail about my role.

Even if I rolled scum this game, what the fuck was I going to do? Talk about Frog Fractions more to annoy you? I lost this as Town and I would have lost this as 3P. Scrutinizing Tesseract because he doesn't want to autolynch a Frog Fractions role doesn't seem very fair.

I honestly don't. But I have not had time to read every bit of this game. Never caught the what and why of the frog stuff.

[FM-Mr Bones]

So.. You are saying I should have lynched Tess?

I remember making that argument, then voting Tess, then you voting me very shortly after. When I called you out for chainsaw voting me to protect the guy that read you as neutral and advocated to keep you alive did not have much to say about it. Did not even deny that was what you were doing if I remember right.

I wanted to vote Purple at the time, still do.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

I wanted to vote Purple at the time, still do.

Why? They quarterbacked the lynch on the Triad flip. Thats substantial and suggests their check on Tess is also true.

[FM-Blue Beard]

Okay, I will definitely be catching up tomorrow morning.

Feedback I received:

Tesseract visited nobody and Purple visited Dark Unicorn, ohno, Mafia Bro.

I didn't end up killing tesseract for two reasons 1. I ended up reconsidering and pushing off the decision and 2. the day ended prematurely.

[FM-Blue Beard]

-vote FM-Blue Beard

Why didn't you disclose that you got something for winning the contest?

Yeah I won the ability to give out puzzles. They can't kill, only have different effects.

Why I didn't say anything? Because I've already laid out my fucking role, all my feedback, and actions. Am I not allowed to keep one piece of information to myself so as scum doesn't have all of the info?

[FM-Blue Beard]

-vote FM-Blue Beard

Why didn't you disclose that you got something for winning the contest?

I can't even find in the day start post anything about me winning, so how did you know?

[FM-Purple]

[CENTER]?KRC M-FM Edition

Day 3



FM-Mafia Bro has died!

Their Flip

Spoiler : Flip : Alignment: Town Role: Pun Czhin-Bakk Factional Abilities: Town is the uninformed majority and receives no factional abilities. Win Condition: Eliminate all anti-town factions. Rolecard: You are a highly annoying person who really loves to tell jokes. You are under the obligation to incorporate puns or jokes in your posts on a regular basis. Should the host or a significant amount of players deem you positively unfunny, you shall receive a non-lethal debuff at the host's discretion. You may compile the amount of "lol", "hahaha", "rofl", etc. you received in reply to your funny posts during the day in order to gain Terribly Nice Tokens (TNT). Each post of that kind gives you one TNT; you must provide the quotes in a private messages to the host in order to gain tokens. Tokens gained during the day may not be spent until the beginning of the night. (Note: do this proactively to ensure you receive your tokens in time for action deadlines!) You may spend your TNT by choosing one of the following actions. You are limited to one TNT purchase per phase (e.g Explosive Gift during the day and Bomb Alert at night is allowed, Bomb Alert and Explosive Statement or Multiple Bomb Alerts are not): - Explosive Statement (3 TNT): Prepare an explosive statement during the night. This statement will be posted in size 6 by the host at the start of the day. It cannot contain more than 45 words. - Bomb Alert (5 TNT): Put a bomb on somebody's path at night and make it explode, forcing them to run and to abandon whatever they were doing, effectively preventing them from acting. - Explosive Gift (15 TNT): Give somebody an explosive-rigged gift box during the day. This box will instantaneously explode, killing the player and making them flip at the end of the day. Since people saw you give the box to the player, the announcement of the player's death will specify that they died suspiciously soon after being given a box by you.

I claim killing Mafia Bro with my one shot night vig action.

Imagine my disappointment when I see his flip