S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

[FM-Chad Knight]

I guess passives are a thing

Could be a passive. Could be an ability that doesn’t trigger visiting. Could be something else entirely.

It doesn’t benefit anybody for me to reveal it yet.

[FM-Myopia]

Hmmm, why did you vote me on day 1?

Idr anymore

[FM-Myopia]

Was kinda vibe
And u said strange things
But im sure i said it once in a quote of you

[FM-Myopia]

Just after i post smth once it flies out of my head forever

[FM-Myopia]

Thread = notebook

[FM-Myopia]

I need to rest, today was a tough day.

Thats IT?!? You come in, make a huge accusation, and leave?
Do u even believe your own check?

[FM-Myopia]

A few things pertinent to current conversation that caught my attention catching up

Mafia Bro's behavior from 1646 to 1648 was an issue.


If anything I could make a 'too scummy to be scum' argument here in that they are hard defending Myopia who was the counter train to the town flip followed by shifting to a double kill lynch potential. But holy shit this is some scummy behavior.

For the much larger issue-
Just to say it up front I had problems with Tesseract's eod1 before saying this. It absolutely felt like they were more pushing against the Myopia train than pushing for the Eyes lynch which felt very weird to me. Although I liked that they were pushing original thoughts the way they were going about it felt bad and it looked like they backtracked before the day ended like they knew it was going to end badly.
The way they intentionally post farmed and admitted it would grow their power was an issue (honestly I am kinda irked nobody else saw as a problem given they didn't want to even talk about 'how' it grew their power) Even now does nobody else have issues with this? We literally just allowed for someone to gain power and they claimed double votes with no reveal in a setup where roles are not AI. Who is to say if we just created a scum mayor or what other functions they may have?
D2 they go hard information over analysis while slipping on a confidence tell. In 1688 "Everyone knew Inconspicuous was non-town yesterday except, apparently, you."
Consider what is said here. It speaks to absolute certainty without reasoning. It also does not fit with their actions in that if they were so sure Inconspicuous is scum they should be hammering on that point while instead they are just referring to it as a counter point to some shit? Nah. Even if they want to claim some mechanical reason for this belief this is not how a town player with mechanical info that someone is scum behaves. This feels like a form of hard slip to me. I do not see a world where this thought process was made in good faith.

Stop tying me anywhere

[FM-Myopia]

But qyeah tesse is scummy

[FM-Myopia]

I feel like i said that already many times

[FM-Myopia]

For town reads Leaf was probably my top one followed by Chad Knight. Lots of original points and not afraid to push against the consensus opinions. Post 1416 is a good example of actively hunting through trains with very transparent reasoning.
Kinda sucks to skim stuff but I would support those two

Nah man i dont feel like searching that post #
And also i just,,,, lets agree to disagree. Im peaceful

[FM-Bizarro Pepsi]

why can't we kill myopia again?

wtf

[FM-Myopia]

Your words won't stop me, I can't read

Man i like You even more now

[FM-Myopia]

When i rage i can post like 20 posts in a row , wow

[FM-Myopia]

Im.like a needling machine

[FM-Myopia]

Wow nice you actually got back to me, only like 48+ hours late lol. OK that's fair, I didn't check the links at the bottom for the examples and such. Good good, you are were not completely BSing then.

Idk what to say to you.
I am never bullshitting. Ok,maybe sometimes. But just a little.
And yes im late still late to everything

[FM-Myopia]

When i work off one page 2 new ones are already written
Like a hydra dragon
I sadly am not a magical hero

[FM-Bizarro Pepsi]

Not sure how you've been managing to both post and catchup at the same time lol.

Inconspicuous reads like blatant lolcatting

[FM-Myopia]

I bought 22 rocks. Whatever use gold may have isn't worth keeping it for.
Would like to see more from Kitty Cat Dance today.

-vote FM-Father and Sun

3 statements
All feel random tbh
Why voting the one when suspecting someone else? Or wanting more?
Are you kot a fan of pressure votes? They work pretty well, speaking of own experience.
Are you kot afraid of thiitng the enity limit with your rocks?

[FM-Myopia]

Could be you claiming a fake gold waste when you actually bougth an useful item that you dont want to disclose on having

[FM-Myopia]

Also why tf 22 rocks
1 rock = 200 g
22+1r= 22× 200g => 2400g
I personally never got that much money? Only 2238? What did you just slip?

[FM-Myopia]

Wtf did i just find out

[FM-Myopia]

I think i just overtook a scum guys!

[FM-Myopia]

-vote fm-forsaken bones

[FM-Myopia]

Gwt owned by maths

[FM-Myopia]

Maths and phsycis and chemistry rule the world

[FM-Myopia]

Nukes fighter jets tanks submarines rockets voting democracy systems this website all run by math

[FM-Bizarro Pepsi]

Yeah it was weird when I saw it, he has undisclosed financial sources, but like you should probably let them explain given that I don't know that scum have covert ways of money transfer either.

[FM-Myopia]

If I were scum, I probably would not have revealed that post lives matter. I appreciate your paranoia and that is good to have in a strong town. The reason I kept quiet about the expectation of having 2 votes is that I did not want someone to mess with my votes via N1 action. You may note that vote manipulation (including the extra vote power that I have) is considered a sharp mechanic. This is proof that sharp mechanics are not "out" just that they were scrutinized more heavily for balance purposes. If I (town) have a sharp mechanic, it is likely that evils do as well. Press F to doubt, but I hope you will sooner or later come to the conclusion that I am town via collective information about me.

There was an entire team sitting behind this set up for balance, and i know one ? There so i know the balance is VERY GOOD.

[FM-Myopia]

If I were scum, I probably would not have revealed that post lives matter. I appreciate your paranoia and that is good to have in a strong town. The reason I kept quiet about the expectation of having 2 votes is that I did not want someone to mess with my votes via N1 action. You may note that vote manipulation (including the extra vote power that I have) is considered a sharp mechanic. This is proof that sharp mechanics are not "out" just that they were scrutinized more heavily for balance purposes. If I (town) have a sharp mechanic, it is likely that evils do as well. Press F to doubt, but I hope you will sooner or later come to the conclusion that I am town via collective information about me.

Also how tf do we know that YOU arent that strong scum role?!

[FM-Myopia]

Also, note to constantly check the shop. Someone's listed a "Extra Strong Ninja Vigilante", which is probably BS, but good to take note of what "actions" app ear.

Maybe its the scum nk roflol
Greedy btches

[FM-Myopia]

Im coughing abt the idea of scum selling their nk

[FM-Myopia]

Jsut play thwiht that ideea in your head omfg

[FM-Myopia]

Lmfao

[FM-Myopia]

Rfolxopet this ies founnayso

[FM-Myopia]

Hehahahahuhehitif lol imfg what if it relsau us?!&$&$

[FM-Myopia]

I cant anymorre

[FM-Myopia]

Egh coughing over. Still funny.

[FM-Myopia]

Ofmg i fobt htink of htat gaian im alhugning

[FM-Chad Knight]

Also why tf 22 rocks
1 rock = 200 g
22+1r= 22× 200g => 2400g
I personally never got that much money? Only 2238? What did you just slip?

This is the worst math I’ve ever seen.

[FM-Myopia]

Im going off to sleep
1774 last post i didnt read
Sry guys
Do t post too much while im sleeping
Good night

[FM-Mafia Bro]

Could be a passive. Could be an ability that doesn’t trigger visiting. Could be something else entirely.

It doesn’t benefit anybody for me to reveal it yet.

Yep yep

[FM-CBI Agent]

anyways I'm caught up

Spoiler : wowie look at this it's a multiquote post put in spoilers tags i sure do hope other players notice this and realize it's a good way to "catch up" without cluttering the thread or making an unnecessarily long post that increases the size of a page by 30% :

I got a red check.

-vote Inconspicuous Man

This is slot is not town.

Okay.

Are you prileples scu m mate?
Thats like the 3rd or 2nd instance of you weirdly defening purple against other players
So either you are scum whiteknighting/pocketing purple
Or you are purples scum mate
You are outed scum.

-vote fm-chad knight

1. Don't like the chad knight train.
2. I can't remember if your responding to something from day 1 or day 2.
3. how is chad knight outed scum?

Waste or not Inco is scum and you insistence of saving him to save Comrade is irking me, do you understand that to win, we have to eliminate all threats to town?
We have to kill Inco, it sucks for Comrade to be tied to scum if he is town, heck it just sucks to be a lover period! But if he is town he should be happy that we've caught scum and his death will not be in vain and you should be happy that we are getting a 1 for 1 trade too.

Instead you are undermining my check? No. We are chopping Inco, my ability and possibly my life will not ve in vain.

This is a placeholder vote on you because you are behaving anti-town

-vote FM-Tesseract

Placeholder because i intent to end the day voting Inco to chop them.

We take 1 for 1 trades, I don't see a universe where losing comrade is the worst thing in the world. Hell, it was something I was contemplating near the end of day 1, based pretty much off of activity.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought that tesseract was being anti-town.

Please pardon my inactivism yesterday, something very important came up for me and I couldn’t access my PC…. So I dunno what I was suppose to do, I just didn’t wanna die cause I was busy.

This one? Is there another?

Oh boy can't wait to see how you defend yourself

Players Alive	Graveyard
@FM-Father and Sun @FM-Its SOMETHING @FM-Mr Bones @FM-Eyes @FM-Mr Pain @FM-Dark Unicorn @FM-Earless Artiste @FM-Forsaken Bones @FM-Kaleidoscope @FM-Purple @FM-Is that a leaf @FM-Bizarro Pepsi @FM-Demonic TP @FM-Tesseract @FM-Comrade PickleRadish @FM-Myopia @FM-Blue Beard @FM-Chad Knight @FM-Kitty Cat Dance @FM-ohno @FM-Inconspicuous Man @FM-Mafia Bro @FM-CBI Agent @FM-Arcade

Hello!

As part of my role I got a bunch of information but to make it useful I need to know what people did or who they visited.

I understand you may not be able to claim- but if you can- please can you tag me and let me know what you did?

it will help village greatly

I didn't visit anyone last night.

More what?

We need more content, more evidence of you doing something for town, even if we were to disregard the red check on you, you'd likely still be on the chopping block.

Yeah sure vote out the guy who got a greencheck on you.
Unless you claim that the greencheck is wrong, that was game throwing.

Where does it say that scum can't be sheriffs?
Either way I'm inclined to believe your town for now, and thus your check is likely valid.

All of these people yesterday whose mouth was full with my name in them and tried to murder me, where are they? I am here now, come on little chickens, today is my day off and i can make a shit load of posts today.

I'd wish you luck today although from what I read I'd say you don't need it, you seem to be doing quite well.

I've decided I'm just going to jump in the thread without much context.

I think that's fair although somewhat annoying considering there are other players (myself included) who feel obligated to read
Every.
Single.
Post.

Why are people calling me anti town? I love green

See my last response for you.

It is not an option for me to post a single sentence like that. But you can run the detector on my earlier paragraph, everything in it is true. What is the problem with validating the multiple statements (beyond just "Im town") that I made earlier?

Jesus wept.
You say "it is not an option for me to post a single sentence like that" is this the result of a role ability, posting restriction, are you blackmailed? You never did formally answer my question on day 1 about whether the quality of post or quantity of post affects you.

Inco is a confirmed red check but im not gonna lie, Tesseract flipping red will give us so much info. Yummy yummy.

It's very tempting.

Miller claims should have been done on day 1, so cops dont waste a shot on you and let town judge you by your actions. When you claim miller after knowing you can be lie detected, you must ge chopped because now we xan never confirm you at night.

This lie detect is your chance at recemption Tesseract.

You either post what im telling you to post and get checked

OR

We chop you and i lie detect someone else.

Think about what is a worse scenario.

This is the way.

Do NOT vote me…

No.

With that being said, it is in my best interest to believe the scum check given one of my requirements for my role use to change to being successful on scum is lynching a scum before the end of day 2. So

-vote FM-inconspicuous man

And I ain't moving my vote unless it's revealed purple is a total hoax by the end of the day

I mean inco is a red check, logical.

Ok guys, I didn’t wanna have to out myself, but I am not lover… *crowd gasps* since I’m town and some of you guys are also probably towns members, I have to reveal myself…. My role is who ever votes me DIES instantly… so I suggest cancel your vote this instant or suffer the consequences..

Then why didn't I die when I voted you day 1, hmm?

Time to get this game rolling.

I can day kill inconspicuous but it means I will die at the end of the following night.

I also have a "bonk hammer":

Item that can be used to turn someone into an amnesiac. All of: the user of this item, the target of this item, and the role the target remembers as will be publicly announced in the thread.

So vote tess, kill inconspicuous, bonk another scum read and give them a chance to become confirmed town?

Ah this must be the PQManuever, I think.

For inconspicuous honestly I do not see the point in killing them.

If they are town scum will 100% target them at some point for the double kill. Their role is self resolving imo and its a waste to focus them. If they are left alone down the road it would point to either some kind of deception or at least one of them being non-town.

In what world do we not lynch non-towns?

But i got a non group scum result into comrade

So Comrade = non group scum, inco = scum? Sounds like a 1 to 1 trade here at worst and a 2 for 1 at best, makes the deal even sweeter.

I was hoping that was going to be most substantial. Anyways I also did an ISO on tesseract and they're kind of consistent? I don't see an discernable pattern other than they are posting more than one sentence per post, and that they tend to be long sentences.

[FM-CBI Agent]

Going to wait to see if the lie detector thing works on tesseract before thinking about putting a vote on them.

-vote FM-Inconspicuous Man

Gotta remind myself that roles and avatars aren't linked. I keep having this thought in the back of my head that inconspicuous is/was purposely being inactive and that was somehow linked to their avatar.

[FM-Mafia Bro]

Also why tf 22 rocks
1 rock = 200 g
22+1r= 22× 200g => 2400g
I personally never got that much money? Only 2238? What did you just slip?

I haven't been tracking it but he may have sold something

[FM-Mafia Bro]

Wow that math is so bad lol

So bad it took me like five minutes for it to sink in

[FM-Kitty Cat Dance]

wtf

I don't even know how I feel about their alignment anymore, I just don't like reading their posts.

[FM-Purple]

You have 3 scum? I've only seen you claim 2.

Inco, Tesseract and yesterday Mr Bones, I scum read them for their TMI and i got major blowback that almost got me chopped while i was away. Look into that

[FM-Purple]

Ok guys, I didn’t wanna have to out myself, but I am not lover… *crowd gasps* since I’m town and some of you guys are also probably towns members, I have to reveal myself…. My role is who ever votes me DIES instantly… so I suggest cancel your vote this instant or suffer the consequences..

Yah and you are still a red checked player. I red checked you last night.

So with this claim you are:

1) Scaring us into not chopping you which is just a scum maneuver
2) You are saying that Comrade lied and you accepted it just because? Why did you not call out Comrade for the lie that could have put a target on your back? Hmm?
It makes no sense that you are not calling Comrade for it, I'd be pissed if that was a lie.

[FM-Purple]

Vote the man and the vigi shoots tess

But Tess gives more info and they pretty much scum claimed.

[FM-Purple]

Honestly its not just the 'everyone' part that bothers me. Its the 'Knew' part. That is two qualifiers that express certainty as an absolute. Not 'They look like obvious scum' or 'I very strongly believe they are scum' as I would expect when a player draws a conclusion from reasoning. You have not even expressed strong reasoning as to why that player is scum which leads me to believe your position is fabricated.

Some people are giving you a town pass for revealing as mayor. I think that is dumb in a closed role madness game. One of the roles I thought about submitting was some form of reverse IC to use bastardized mechanics to my advantage. I am not going to consider roles to be AI in any way regardless of what it does.

Unless you want to tell me you have some other way of having certainty that Inconspicuous is not town I think you slipped in a very AI way.

Not to mention that all roles submitted were alignment agnostic.