Speaking of which, I don't remember HollowKatt being such a pointed player. Maybe I just remember the cute bear picture while he nonchalantly wolfed to a W. Maybe different metas? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm also wondering if Gikkle is just scum playing it cool to shake off push attempts. Kind of seems that way to me. Smart thing to jokingly suggest his slot being neutral to make players second guess his alignment and look elsewhere.
Not too sure how Frinckles aka japanese guy's obvious joke about Seanzie powerwolfing could be interpreted as a serious accusation or as a defense of PQ. That being said, Zeus doesn't look too bad. He at least looks like he is trying to solve, which is good. It's probably best to remain cautious on the matter, though, since the game is still young.
And despite having had my vote on him this whole game, I can't say I really scumread him that much when initially did. Now I kind of do. ( ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)
A lot of face value reads (activity reads, not liking Mesk randomly "clearing" someone early on when it's probably a joke, criticizing Gikkle for doing RVS stuff during RVS), Seanzie read that makes sense, and PQ suspicion that looks like correct paranoia - I like what I'm seeing here. It is at least much more coherent than in Paopan's last scum game I've seen, and is generally not agenda-y.
Assuming a scum!PQ, Gikkle would indeed be suspicious for this: it would make sense for a scummate to defend a scummate by saying "at worst he's neutral and not a threat for now", making people dismiss PQ as a suspect without needing to straight up say he is town.
I said "indeed", but when I reread your post, I feel like you're talking about Gikkle-HK. If that is correct, I'm not sure where you're coming from.
I am falling asleep on my keyboard for some reason, so I might be posting things that make little sense and should probably stop lol. Here's a last one
Generally makes sense when it comes to the townreads. Can you elaborate on Mesk's opening, though? Also, I have to object about PQ's joy and confidence being towny. He is always like this, as far as I know.
@Frinckles I guess I shouldn't put quotes when I'm paraphrasing, but I was referring to this post ^
-vote Gikkle
I'm conflicted on PQR as they remind me too much of a few people I know that I have a hard time reading, so I don't want my vote there any more.
While I don't think Gikkle has been overtly scummy persay, they have definitely been anti-town IMO. Things like them claiming neutral and them both agreeing to the plan while also essentially saying they weren't going to follow it aren't doing town any favors, and their general demeanor makes me think that as town, they'd be doing less anti-town stuff. Plus... claiming scum is something that some scum love to do, and I don't like to leave those sorts of things hanging. Furthermore, Gekkle's reads list seems to be just repeating this consensus that PQR and I are town (I know PQR is a bit more contentious than I am right now, but still a common townread), while also trying to appease the people who pushed back against him for the aforementioned anti-town behavior around the plan.
So, kinda along Frinkle's point, I could see Gikkle being a wolf trying to play it cool here.
You had a very strong scum game last game and you were voted MVP in a game offsite. @NotPaopan
I know you’re a better player than what you’re letting on in this thread.-vote NotPaopan
This puts Gikkle in the lead for the first ITA TK btw, which is in about 7 hours.
+1
Could be an intentionally underperforming scum, but he hasn't really been that bad thus far, so I wouldn't be too harsh, at least for now.
Also, I should probably move my vote away from RVS o.O realized I forgot to do that!-vote pqrnhack
Could be scum based on tone, and his flip would be informative, so I'm placing my vote there until something more interesting comes up.
I didn't claim neutral. And the way you phrase my stance on the plan irks me, because it construes what I said as worse than it actually is. Why would I ever shoot someone I thought was town? It's such an unlikely scenario that probably won't even happen anyways, so I might as well have just agreed with the plan whole heartedly.
@Gikkle
How did you see BradLand as null at this point? I think he’s made his stance on the game quite clear. There’s plenty of things to analyze from this slot.
I’m sorry, I do not see the benefit of forcing people to use their kills on people they townread. That sounds like it’s a way for wolves to coordinate and get specific people lynched or scumpainted.
Activity isn’t alignment indicative and this plan puts power into people with more activity. It isn’t good for town to shoot their townreads and it isn’t good for town to pool all of their power into the people who are voting more actively. My first vote came in just recently but it’s a well founded vote that I feel has a lot of power and momentum behind it. I won’t be shooting the top wagon just because active players (read: potential powerwolves) aren’t voting with me.
Well, actually, I say it's an unlikely scenario, but it looks like PQR is a top wagon. He's a neutral/town read of mine, and I don't intend on shooting him. I've explained this before, PQR is being way too... Jovial? To be mafia. In his wolf games, he was either not helpful at all, or was pretty blatantly trying to push an agenda. His play so far is more relaxed and free spirited, which I associate more with his town game, although he hasn't been as helpful/logical, which is why I was inclined to think he may be neutral.
Nah. I've always been a pro neutral kinda guy. Ask anyone from my homesite. I don't kill neutrals unless I know for sure they are evil. Neutral hunting is for mafia so they can pretend like they're actually doing something.
(also I totally think PQR could still be town but neutral would just make a little bit more sense with how he's playing)
After thinking things through i agree with the sb/gikkle/frinckles stance : one shouldn't force anyone to shoot one of his TR. If they're the top wagon anyway, there should be enough people to get them gunned down. Especially if we ask of people who null read the slot to shoot too. I don't see any downside with that approach and it does give the possibility for more diverse counter-wagons, which is probably what we want to counter scum coordinating to manipulate wagons.
I’m going to hold mine until I deem it necessary. Maybe there’s something I just don’t understand here. But trying to narrow the field to suit an active scum team doesn’t make sense to me.
It doesn’t help that the current top trains are both players that I townread in some capacity.
NVM, there are quite a few, actually.