When I wolf I propose the best possible mech plans I can think of, even if the plans hurt my team. I did this in Pixar where I tried to help town leash otherscumteam!Egix in order to have a second TK (when me and most of my wolf mates were in the PoE Egix would have been shooting into).
@Seanzie i like your strat a lot more when we exclude our townreads from D1. The odds now shift in our favor. Who are your 3 to shoot? Or is it best to withhold this information till final 12 h? I am comfortable following your lead for now.
I don't know what you mean about excluding townreads. For the plan to work, people need to treat it like it is a normal TK. People's reads have an effect in as far as their vote has an effect, and no further.
If you're suggesting that you and I should try to find common townreads and exclude them from being shot D1... no.
Right now, I do not feel too strongly about any of my reads, but I have a fun little tinfoil that you and HK are wolfing together. Some of your posts have made me think you're town, but then you do weird things that make me think you're trying to tie me to you, and I don't really get your strong read on HK. How do you know HK isn't pocketing you here?
If people start introducing their own biases into this plan it won't work. We ALL have to agree to this, regardless of whomever is the top wagon at the time.
Treat the plan as giving us two additional lynches/eliminations per day, then operate as normal.
Unfortunately to agree to the plan is to agree to potentially shoot a townread of yours if they are the decided vote. I know it sucks to have to agree to that, but the plan only works if people do not have agency over the ITAs. That includes not just the target, but the choice to not target. Of course, people can just choose to avoid the thread after the deadline and that is not preventable, but I ask every townie who can be available to donate their ITA to the plan, they do so.
PQR deathwolrds Seanz and Hllowkitty
I will not shoot those 4 so my choices are in the remaining 11 of 15, of whom i know 3 are mafia+3P so 4/11. Those are better odds than randoming, but still very bad unless we have solid scumreads! We need to deduce which are more likely scum.
I don't think people understand how beneficial this is to the whole of town if we can get everyone to agree to it.
The lynch is the best tool of the town to eliminate scum, by following the plan to the letter we give ourselves three times the ability to eliminate scum during the day, without giving the scum any way of manipulating it beyond their normal capacity of manipulating votes.
We can't tell the difference between someone abstaining from shooting because they truly townread the person and someone abstaining from shooting because they're scumbuddies. As such, we need to ask townpeople to put their personal reads aside and view the ITAs as simply extra TKs.
If you strongly townread someone and don't want them to get shot, petition against that wagon. If the thread still chooses them, then they need to be flipped.
My pool of roaches to fry:
Boba Fett (i need to hear what other people know of this fella, suggesting that town would not follow thru town strat is REALLY REALLY BAD in my view)
Paopan (sorry, I approach each game with an unbiased mind, but you dug the grave here, i will be upset if this was your best attempt to improving your town game)
then i need some flips. depending on flips, we still have wildcards in: MM SB16 Mesk Lolde Gikkle
I will eat my shirt if we got this wrong but i think we got a towncore here and the scum are running
Basically we have a wildcard in Brad slot. But all other slots demonstrated activity and have 0 excuse. So let's go with our strat.
People can be wrong, you are correct.
This is all entirely hypothetical, and it depends on me for some reason strongly disagreeing with the town's consensus, while simultaneously not being convinced by their arguments and at the same time not being able to argue this hypothetical strong town read of mine's case and convince people to move off of them.
I stopped reading the thread for 3 hours and you guys lost it already.
3rd time is the charm, right?
-vote Takumi Fujiwara
@Takumi Fujiwara if you are town you gotta work with me here. we are about to make a big brain play and you have the biggest brain of them all. so get your butt (and brain) in here!
Well, I would think there would be a difference, inasmuch as I should be able to present a solid reason for persisting in my defiance of the town's consensus. If I'm just being stubborn, then you can start to wonder what my motivations truly are.
As for your second point, precisely why this whole thing is unlikely to happen - if I town read someone THAT strongly, either I have a good reason which I should be able to convince the town of to some degree or another, or I don't, and I should be convinced if I'm not hard headed. That doesn't mean this WON'T happen, though, for whatever reason.
I think Gikkle is a Neutral/3P.
hence this chain
Like yes the reason is in bold above, I'm a sucker for "play the game in front of you" type posts, but if I'm dealing with someone who I've never encountered before I'm going to be more concerned with are they a baddie and are they trying to get in my good graces than if it were someone I'm more familiar with.
Not because I don't think my regulars could be pocketing but because it's a stranger that I've got zero baseline on.
The worry is mitigated because of an earlier exchange where he kinda pressed me on the whole LHF/Policy thing because he's right, PQR wasn't the topic of the policy conversation, it was Paopan.
But HK, you say, PQR is new to you, so where's the paranoia. My response to that is this: I didn't say all the reasons PQR reminds me of Ace.
@hollowkatt @Seanzie stop debating, start collaborating. This is how we win.