S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

[Gikkle]

SHOT MISSED

END OF ITAs!

well

[PQRnHack]

What happened to strongman kill on Seanzie as a possibility? I am not understanding how Gikkle is mech-cleared, I probably missed something. Can someone explain to me please? Gikkle was bussed with Seanzie, we know that (as Gikkle and Frinckles confirm it, and they cannot be both scum). But the kill on Seanzie might be a strongman kill that bypasses redirections?

[Loldebite]

Guys, vote. I don't want 2 townies dying on a 4 way 1 tie.

[Gikkle]

What happened to strongman kill on Seanzie as a possibility? I am not understanding how Gikkle is mech-cleared, I probably missed something. Can someone explain to me please? Gikkle was bussed with Seanzie, we know that (as Gikkle and Frinckles confirm it, and they cannot be both scum). But the kill on Seanzie might be a strongman kill that bypasses redirections?

Why would scum use a strongman when they had a bus driver? Like bus driver already allows them to go around protectives, so using the strongman at that point would be a waste

[PQRnHack]

Why would scum use a strongman when they had a bus driver? Like bus driver already allows them to go around protectives, so using the strongman at that point would be a waste

I meant that maybe their factional kill is always a strongman kill, every night. I could then picture the bussing performed to clear you.

[Gikkle]

I meant that maybe their factional kill is always a strongman kill, every night. I could then picture the bussing performed to clear you.

It didn't clear me until an independent third party happened to use a confirmable action on me. So it's a pretty bad clear tactic if it were one.

And I don't think deck mafia kills are always strongman? That's never been something I've seen in deck mafia

[PQRnHack]

Just a reminder that votes got reset earlier, so don't forget to vote in the remaining 52 minutes.

[hollowkatt]

I've never seen a strongman in deck mafia either and this is my 4th-5th not sure which

[PQRnHack]

I've never seen a strongman in deck mafia either and this is my 4th-5th not sure which

Okay, I understand. Thanks.

[Gikkle]

-vote Takumi Fujiwara

Kind of want the two lynches today to be Loldebite and Takumi, but I don't know how many would agree with me on Lolde.

[hollowkatt]

-vote Takumi Fujiwara

Kind of want the two lynches today to be Loldebite and Takumi, but I don't know how many would agree with me on Lolde.

I town read him but meh you're the confirmed townie lol

I think you and brad are our clearest players. Brad actually killed Martin, the way he reacted was townie, and I don't recall him laying any kind of early groundwork to gain credit there.

[Gikkle]

I town read him but meh you're the confirmed townie lol

I think you and brad are our clearest players. Brad actually killed Martin, the way he reacted was townie, and I don't recall him laying any kind of early groundwork to gain credit there.

Being confirmed town doesn't exactly make me right
if people have good reasons to TR lolde I'd love to hear it because I'm kind of in the middle on them

[hollowkatt]

Being confirmed town doesn't exactly make me right
if people have good reasons to TR lolde I'd love to hear it because I'm kind of in the middle on them

I thought their play D1 and into D2 was pretty good, and their takes didn't seem to have an agenda to them. But I can't really articulate more than that why

[Gikkle]

Hollow do you plan on placing a vote?

[hollowkatt]

Hollow do you plan on placing a vote?

you mean like I did here?:

-vote Takumi

This is where I'm most confident. I think Gikkle, by virtue of martin bus driving him and seanzie, and seanzie being dead is mech confirmed town.
I don't know of any setup that allows mafia to target another mafia for the NK and then bus drive that NK to a townie.

Who claimed boba fett again?

[Gikkle]

you mean like I did here?:

it doesn't count towards the vote count, you gotta do the full name

[hollowkatt]

it doesn't count towards the vote count, you gotta do the full name

-vote Takumi Fujiwara

[Loldebite]

PQR, d'you reckon SB is more suspicious than hollow ? Hollow seems to be more consensually lynchable.

[Gikkle]

with SB at one vote he's technically up for the second lynch
do we really want that

[Loldebite]

with SB at one vote he's technically up for the second lynch
do we really want that

Hollow is a better candidate IMO

[Loldebite]

Anyway, 1 vote is kinda scary ngl

[hollowkatt]

has anyone compiled a vote count?

[Gikkle]

has anyone compiled a vote count?

Vote count is at top of thread, right next to thread tools

[hollowkatt]

Vote count is at top of thread, right next to thread tools

only with the dark theme skin!! I've been missing out since I swapped to vbulletin default

[Gikkle]

Takumi Fujiwara (3 [L-96]):
Loldebite, hollowkatt, Gikkle
Stealthbomber16 (1 [L-98]):
PQRnHack

[Gikkle]

7 minutes left
do we REALLY want SB to die?

[PQRnHack]

7 minutes left
do we REALLY want SB to die?

No. I will go with dw.

[PQRnHack]

-vote deathworlds

[PQRnHack]

Gikkle I nominate you to switch off of frinckles so we have 2 voted each and scum doesn't pop in with 1 vote. Are you OK with DW?

[Gikkle]

Gikkle I nominate you to switch off of frinckles so we have 2 voted each and scum doesn't pop in with 1 vote. Are you OK with DW?

I don't exactly feel comfortable with it honestly, DW has been a TR of mine
but I guess I could vote so scum don't do anything weird

[Gikkle]

-vote deathworlds

[Guillo]

Day 2 ELIMINATION

Takuwi Fujiwara and Deathworlds were eliminated

They were:

!

[Guillo]

Night 2 Begins

[Guillo]

Night 2 Actions are locked on

[Guillo]

NIGHT 2 RESULTS

Gikkle and Bradland died!

They were…



ITAs and All Dead Interaction mechanics are now disabled!

[PQRnHack]

It looks like MYLO has arrived. I assume the 2nd kill last night was performed by Mafia, as neither Gikkle nor Brad made sense for town to target. Mafia took out the 2 most confirmed town players.

@hollowkatt
can you explain your thought progression on Takumi, whom you earlier described as
"Takumi feels like townie even being wrong af on me"
"takumi - does not feel like they're posting with an agenda. thoughts seem somewhat straightforward to arrive at even if I disagree with the destination"

but then were down to lynch him EOD2?

@Stealthbomber16
Where were you EOD2?

@Loldebite
What do you think of Hollowkatt's low-activity-poster shot on MM? I am starting to wonder if he (scum) has some regular type of shot. However, what are the odds that he has a card allowing shots on 2 consecutive nights? Or that he has 2 cards, each with a shot ability of its own (1 of which may truly be low-act shots, although it is kinda convenient that he defined it as 15 or fewer posts, and MM had 14).

@Frinckles @Takumi Fujiwara
Guess I might listen to the dead. Although I went through start of D2, and it was mostly Lolde wanting to know more about my choice of action D1, so I must be missing something. @Loldebite if you know what Frinckles was referring to, do let me know.
"It's not Loldebite. Read his ISO, specifically start D2 when Martin was around."

[hollowkatt]

It looks like MYLO has arrived. I assume the 2nd kill last night was performed by Mafia, as neither Gikkle nor Brad made sense for town to target. Mafia took out the 2 most confirmed town players.

@hollowkatt
can you explain your thought progression on Takumi, whom you earlier described as
"Takumi feels like townie even being wrong af on me"
"takumi - does not feel like they're posting with an agenda. thoughts seem somewhat straightforward to arrive at even if I disagree with the destination"

but then were down to lynch him EOD2?

@Stealthbomber16
Where were you EOD2?

@Loldebite
What do you think of Hollowkatt's low-activity-poster shot on MM? I am starting to wonder if he (scum) has some regular type of shot. However, what are the odds that he has a card allowing shots on 2 consecutive nights? Or that he has 2 cards, each with a shot ability of its own (1 of which may truly be low-act shots, although it is kinda convenient that he defined it as 15 or fewer posts, and MM had 14).

@Frinckles @Takumi Fujiwara
Guess I might listen to the dead. Although I went through start of D2, and it was mostly Lolde wanting to know more about my choice of action D1, so I must be missing something. @Loldebite if you know what Frinckles was referring to, do let me know.
"It's not Loldebite. Read his ISO, specifically start D2 when Martin was around."

Sure. So when he started posting I thought he looked very similar to his play in our champs game on MU. I was a wolf there and worked very hard to put him in my pocket, so when he started the game suspecting me I figured that was kinda going to be par for the course. Naturally he'll be suspicious of me because we haven't played since then (as far as I can remember).

But as the game went on and he continued to throw shade on me without making an actual push it started to feel more like he had an agenda to get me over the line not because he's actually afraid of me wolfing here but because as the game goes on I'd realize he's not actually similar to the champs game.

I tried a couple times engaging with him on what his actual case was and he kept coming back to my vote timing on Paopan and "HK is good at busing" which sure, can be the basis for a case but to make that the entire case smells like agenda posting. Continuing to hammer my vote positioning and ability to bus said to me that he latched onto something he thought he could push me for and then literally never bothered talking or thinking about anything else I'd been posting.

I kept waiting for him to either shift his position while I posted townie or evolve his read beyond where he'd been at the start of the game day but it never happened, and in my experience that comes from wolf more often than it comes from town.

[hollowkatt]

also PQR how the fuck do you have almost 500 posts this game, there's only 2175 posts in total and you've got almost a quarter of them wtf

[PQRnHack]

also PQR how the fuck do you have almost 500 posts this game, there's only 2175 posts in total and you've got almost a quarter of them wtf

See:

BTW I expect some form of a badge for having more than 25% of total posts D1. Now I know why they complain about me spamming lol.

Yeah, I need to work on quality over quantity.

[PQRnHack]

Sure. So when he started posting I thought he looked very similar to his play in our champs game on MU. I was a wolf there and worked very hard to put him in my pocket, so when he started the game suspecting me I figured that was kinda going to be par for the course. Naturally he'll be suspicious of me because we haven't played since then (as far as I can remember).

But as the game went on and he continued to throw shade on me without making an actual push it started to feel more like he had an agenda to get me over the line not because he's actually afraid of me wolfing here but because as the game goes on I'd realize he's not actually similar to the champs game.

I tried a couple times engaging with him on what his actual case was and he kept coming back to my vote timing on Paopan and "HK is good at busing" which sure, can be the basis for a case but to make that the entire case smells like agenda posting. Continuing to hammer my vote positioning and ability to bus said to me that he latched onto something he thought he could push me for and then literally never bothered talking or thinking about anything else I'd been posting.

I kept waiting for him to either shift his position while I posted townie or evolve his read beyond where he'd been at the start of the game day but it never happened, and in my experience that comes from wolf more often than it comes from town.

As we are in MYLO, are you open to paraphrasing the cards you have? That alleged low-activity shot on MM Is looking kinda sus when I see that N2 mafia had a 2nd kill.

[PQRnHack]

As we are in MYLO, are you open to paraphrasing the cards you have? That alleged low-activity shot on MM Is looking kinda sus when I see that N2 mafia had a 2nd kill.

I will reframe my question: tell me about your abilities. I am not sure on the rules, as it says posting cards is not allowed, but it doesnt say paraphrasing "cards" is okay. But since most of us have already talked about our abilities, I assume it is okay to talk about abilities.

[hollowkatt]

As we are in MYLO, are you open to paraphrasing the cards you have? That alleged low-activity shot on MM Is looking kinda sus when I see that N2 mafia had a 2nd kill.

the only card I have left is one that allows me to target a player, that player gets an extra use out of one of their spent cards.

I used inactivity vig on MM N1, I can't explain two kills last night other than to say neither of them surprise me. Brad killed Martin = functionally confirmed, and gikkle was mech confirmed via the bus drive once martin flipped.

[PQRnHack]

the only card I have left is one that allows me to target a player, that player gets an extra use out of one of their spent cards.

Is it a Day or Night ability and when does it go in effect for the targeted player?

[Stealthbomber16]

It looks like MYLO has arrived. I assume the 2nd kill last night was performed by Mafia, as neither Gikkle nor Brad made sense for town to target. Mafia took out the 2 most confirmed town players.

@hollowkatt
can you explain your thought progression on Takumi, whom you earlier described as
"Takumi feels like townie even being wrong af on me"
"takumi - does not feel like they're posting with an agenda. thoughts seem somewhat straightforward to arrive at even if I disagree with the destination"

but then were down to lynch him EOD2?

@Stealthbomber16
Where were you EOD2?

@Loldebite
What do you think of Hollowkatt's low-activity-poster shot on MM? I am starting to wonder if he (scum) has some regular type of shot. However, what are the odds that he has a card allowing shots on 2 consecutive nights? Or that he has 2 cards, each with a shot ability of its own (1 of which may truly be low-act shots, although it is kinda convenient that he defined it as 15 or fewer posts, and MM had 14).

@Frinckles @Takumi Fujiwara
Guess I might listen to the dead. Although I went through start of D2, and it was mostly Lolde wanting to know more about my choice of action D1, so I must be missing something. @Loldebite if you know what Frinckles was referring to, do let me know.
"It's not Loldebite. Read his ISO, specifically start D2 when Martin was around."

EoD is 20 minutes after I wake up. Even if I was there, do you want me making decisions after being awake for 5/10/20 minutes?

-vote hollowkat

You choosing to vote the guy who shot mafia is the dumbest play in the universe if you’re town and it’s straight up outing if you’re a wolf.

Loldebite is straight paranoid but I don’t think he’s scum. He’s fucking losing his marbles and he’s also throwing, but I remain convinced he’s town.

[PQRnHack]

EoD is 20 minutes after I wake up. Even if I was there, do you want me making decisions after being awake for 5/10/20 minutes?

Umm yeah! That's more or less what I was doing.

You choosing to vote the guy who shot mafia is the dumbest play in the universe if you’re town and it’s straight up outing if you’re a wolf.

What are you referring to here?

Also, what abilities do you have with you this game and how have you used them?

[Stealthbomber16]

Umm yeah! That's more or less what I was doing.



What are you referring to here?

Also, what abilities do you have with you this game and how have you used them?

I have already claimed that I have 1 card and it allows me to get better cards if I win.

In the case of yesterday, I overslept and was spending the morning getting my shit together to attend a morning meeting I had scheduled. I woke up after EoD and didn’t even think about the game until an hour and a half afterward.

[Stealthbomber16]

Umm yeah! That's more or less what I was doing.



What are you referring to here?

Also, what abilities do you have with you this game and how have you used them?

The latter half of that post is directed to hollowkatt, the last scum.

[PQRnHack]

The latter half of that post is directed to hollowkatt, the last scum.

Understood, but he did not vote Brad, right? So what are you referring to?

[PQRnHack]

@Loldebite Think I found my answers. It was a little later than start of D2. I am sorry for shooting you, Lolde Another bad play by me.

No, i have no interest in voting town, however stupid they might be.

Knowing that Martin was scum really makes your posts here look good.

I kinda feel like takumi has a point about martin, but then why would he reveal he bussed ?

I'm starting to think it's more likely that martin claiming the bus and gikkle "knowing he was visited" was scum theatre. Thoughts ?

Actually, i seem to have tunnelled on the "bus would've feedback" thing. Nevermind that first sentence.

You and I need to figure out if it's SB16 or HK today. In retrospect, we should have lynched HK in place of Frinckles yesterday

[hollowkatt]

@Loldebite Think I found my answers. It was a little later than start of D2. I am sorry for shooting you, Lolde Another bad play by me.



Knowing that Martin was scum really makes your posts here look good.




You and I need to figure out if it's SB16 or HK today. In retrospect, we should have lynched HK in place of Frinckles yesterday

Loldebite has been townie from very early in the game and shooting him was dumb. I think I get why you did it though.
I can't shake my paranoia about you but that paranoia is basically built on "PQR is a very chaotic player" which isn't wolfy at all, until it is. But I don't think you're the last wolf.

SB16 is a slot I have very little recollection of. I'm going to have to read his ISO today. I don't think we should rush things though