S-FM 337: Play at Your Own Risk

[FM-Bisected Souls]

I am not unlynchable. Votes give me a sort of currency that can be spent in various ways. One of which is to get a vest which I can use the same night that I get.

I figured it was worth bringing up because the play style I have chosen to use.

As for a mechanical solve absolutely no. In closed games I do everything I can to understand whats going on around me. Mechanically hunting in a bastard game is foolish. You build deductive reasoning on potential lies. I still believe understanding whats going on is important to making informed decisions but I am mostly intention hunting this game.

So you being the second wagon with 1 vote below the top wagon gives you the maximum amount of currency?

[FM-Bisected Souls]

You saying I did not ask myself something along with saying you checked is inconsistent because you are voicing you were careful and put thought into the question while you obviously did not. That could easily be a simple mistake.

But then you clarified you were calling me out for not questioning All Stars when a few posts earlier I had. That is inconsistent making it look more like you fabricated the question to make it seem that were hunting (as I would expect scum to do)

For this to make sense can you explain why you thought myself and All stars are scum, and very specifically why you thought we are aligned?

It would also help for you to explain why you did not consider the questions I asked All Stars.
It would also help for you to explain why you town read the players you said you did.

^Doing that stuff helps clear up your situation. Not doing it is probably going to mean your head on the chopping block EOD.

Considering the 2nd point of you
I think that he wrote the post and then posted it, not reading the mew messages. So at the time of him writing, he didnt know what you were doing. Looks like a common normal misunderstanding. Nothing spectacular
AND NOTHING TO DISCUSS FORTH AND BACK
like seriously. Both of you. Get your sh1t together.

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Wow, my spam pissed of everyone of the thread!
next time i will use multi quote. Sorry folks

[FM-Silent Night]

So you being the second wagon with 1 vote below the top wagon gives you the maximum amount of currency?

Yes it would. Although that would risk 1 person flipping to swap the trains and it would also put the maximum amount of control in the hands of any potential scum faction.

There are benefits to how late game wagonomics could be done on the situation though.

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

All Stars ISO:

-vote FM-Silent Night

It's all ogre now

Unreasonable vote #1

How about we all share something that's less likely to get you targeted by scum,

I was asked how complex I liked my roles, I answered eight.

TPR hunting attempt?

Got anything to say or plan on lurking?

Soft agression.

I've just been waiting for responses to my pokes and or for something interesting to happen

Solid scum indicator for me.

-vote FM-Wilder Wastelander

Unreasonable vote #2

Notably we have three people that have yet to check in

Telling obvious things a lot.

Have you crumbed your role at all?
Did you have a n0 action?

Сontinues TPR hunting

Result:
No impact to the game useful for the town. TPR hunting. Random "poking".

Noticed a lot of meaningless All Stars' dialogues with Silent Night, btw.

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

I did feel them saying I never asked myself as a consistency break.

You seem to think this particular typo of his of great importance. It's the second or maybe even third time you're mentioning this. IMO it was pretty obvious in context who he wanted to refer to, so i believe this really is just a typo, pasting the wrong name. Either you're tunneling on the mistake or you're using it to paint wilder.

Shortly before I had poked All Stars and if Wilder had 'checked' as they claimed they would have noticed that.

I kinda agree with you that i dont think his accusation (that you were pushing All Stars as much) was legitimate. I even said so at the time.

Spoiler : votes quote :

At this time I will also reveal the way votes on me EOD benefits me is that it can enable me to vest, granting me night immunity. I had considered withholding that info but its worth discussing if players town read me and a lynch is definitive players may choose to vote to grant me this immunity.

Its real disadvantage I see is that it would split the town. Scum would not want to use their vote to grant me immunity so towns advantage of numbers would become less. This would substantially increase scums chances of pushing the lynch if there is team scum.

That's... interesting. Very interesting because it may be a very useful tool to drive waganomics and because it might drive people off your wagon, regardless of your alignment.

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

It would also help for you to explain why you town read the players you said you did.

Scummiest question possible.

^Doing that stuff helps clear up your situation. Not doing it is probably going to mean your head on the chopping block EOD.

"your situation"?
What do you mean?

[FM-All Stars]

All Stars ISO:



Unreasonable vote #1



TPR hunting attempt?



Soft agression.



Solid scum indicator for me.



Unreasonable vote #2


Telling obvious things a lot.



Сontinues TPR hunting

Result:
No impact to the game useful for the town. TPR hunting. Random "poking".

Noticed a lot of meaningless All Stars' dialogues with Silent Night, btw.

Those first two votes were RVS.

I was talking about complexity because I want to know how many random/wacky things we have to look out in the game, whilst also drawing attention away from the question of what roles we submitted, since that's 10x more likely to get you targeted by scum

Aggression is good, and poking lurkers is a better thing.

At that point I would be cluttering up the thread if I kept posting with no relevant responses.

Yes, because I want to remind town that not everyone has checked in yet.

I'm hunting YOU, because you're scummy and you're on the chopping block today.

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Yeah silent. I think i can sqeeze out more info out of you w/o appearing as tpr hunting
What items are there in your shop?

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

You seem to think this particular typo of his of great importance. It's the second or maybe even third time you're mentioning this. IMO it was pretty obvious in context who he wanted to refer to, so i believe this really is just a typo, pasting the wrong name. Either you're tunneling on the mistake or you're using it to paint wilder.

My own ISO:

Reasoning?

Have you asked your teammate All Stars about reasoning?

Never.

Question ignored.

You never asked Silent Night about reasoning.

Obv typo, just 2nd attempt to ask the same thing.

Not ignored.

Main line of attack for now.

[FM-All Stars]

Scummiest question possible.



"your situation"?
What do you mean?

Publicly town reading without any reasoning to back it up is indicative of TMI, or too much information, the fact that scum know who each other are, and therefor know with a high likelihood who is town, they can safely say X, Y, and Z, are town, because those slots wouldn't be part of their scum faction.

Your situation refers to the fact that you're the leading wagon right now.

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

I'm hunting YOU, because you're scummy and you're on the chopping block today.

You're just trying to save your ass.

You will vote for anyone for whom others have voted.

[FM-Silent Night]

Considering the 2nd point of you
I think that he wrote the post and then posted it, not reading the mew messages. So at the time of him writing, he didnt know what you were doing. Looks like a common normal misunderstanding. Nothing spectacular
AND NOTHING TO DISCUSS FORTH AND BACK
like seriously. Both of you. Get your sh1t together.

I poked Allstars about 3 hours earlier. It would not have been a recent post. And keep in mind, he flattly said he checked. This would insinuate he did an Iso on me.

I feel there is an inconsistency in this situation. That inconsistency makes sense from a scum perspective while it does not from a town perspective. Then there was the "You are the easiest and safest lynch" comment. Town do not look for who is 'easy' and 'safe' to lynch.

I feel like my reasoning here is sound. Your defending him feels odd and coachy. Although coaching in the thread would be out of place if you shared a chat with him so I do not think it can be considered anything. For host meta I doubt Lagalicious would give me an active day chat and restrict a scum team to only a night chat.

[FM-Bisected Souls]

I was talking about complexity because I want to know how many random/wacky things we have to look out in the game, whilst also drawing attention away from the question of what roles we submitted, since that's 10x more likely to get you targeted by scum

Bastard game... you can expect that the next mod post will be:
suddenly.. everyone but @Lag died! Wow lag, not bad win!

Btw lag, where is the bastardiness i signed up for? I want Something CRAZY!

[FM-All Stars]

You're just trying to save your ass.

You will vote for anyone for whom others have voted.

I was the first vote on you today.

I'm not in danger of being lynched.

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Publicly town reading without any reasoning to back it up is indicative of TMI, or too much information, the fact that scum know who each other are, and therefor know with a high likelihood who is town, they can safely say X, Y, and Z, are town, because those slots wouldn't be part of their scum faction.

Your situation refers to the fact that you're the leading wagon right now.

Tmi, or too much information...
Im dying
I should have bought a big pepsi instead of a medium one. The circus is staying.

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

Scummiest question possible.



"your situation"?
What do you mean?

Idk, what could be a situation... Being top wagon, maybe ?

[FM-All Stars]

Tmi, or too much information...
Im dying
I should have bought a big pepsi instead of a medium one. The circus is staying.

What's so funny?

[FM-Bisected Souls]

I poked Allstars about 3 hours earlier. It would not have been a recent post. And keep in mind, he flattly said he checked. This would insinuate he did an Iso on me.

I feel there is an inconsistency in this situation. That inconsistency makes sense from a scum perspective while it does not from a town perspective. Then there was the "You are the easiest and safest lynch" comment. Town do not look for who is 'easy' and 'safe' to lynch.

I feel like my reasoning here is sound. Your defending him feels odd and coachy. Although coaching in the thread would be out of place if you shared a chat with him so I do not think it can be considered anything. For host meta I doubt Lagalicious would give me an active day chat and restrict a scum team to only a night chat.

Yeah yea ok
It was just an idea lol, i hate page long forth and back arguments
Obviously i didnt go back 10 pages to check wheter or not my idea was true.. Lol!Ghostbuster didnt bust the ghost inside his head! Hehe

P.s.
Also nice information slip!

[FM-Last Hope]

You're just trying to save your ass.

You will vote for anyone for whom others have voted.

.... that doesn't make sense. All Stars doesn't have a single vote on them last time I checked.

[FM-Silent Night]

What's so funny?

@Lag alicious
Whats your favorite All Star Remix?

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

Yeah yea ok
It was just an idea lol, i hate page long forth and back arguments
Obviously i didnt go back 10 pages to check wheter or not my idea was true.. Lol!Ghostbuster didnt bust the ghost inside his head! Hehe

P.s.
Also nice information slip!

If you are referring to his day chat, he's referring to his telephone item, his n0 action.

[FM-Bisected Souls]

What's so funny?

You overexplained tmi
While i sit here with the biggest load of TMI (its filling an entire scumBAG) and watch this stupid discussion. XD!

[FM-Last Hope]

.... that doesn't make sense. All Stars doesn't have a single vote on them last time I checked.

Alright you're voting them, so no one else except you is voting All Stars and you're in the lead.

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

No U

-vote FM-All Stars

Okay... That's not really helpful, is it ?

That's... interesting. Very interesting because it may be a very useful tool to drive waganomics and because it might drive people off your wagon, regardless of your alignment.

Looks like it did.

.... that doesn't make sense. All Stars doesn't have a single vote on them last time I checked.

Indeed, it's bullshit. I dont understand what's going on from our Wastelander's POV

[FM-All Stars]

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Whats your favorite All Star Remix?

[FM-All Stars]

You overexplained tmi
While i sit here with the biggest load of TMI (its filling an entire scumBAG) and watch this stupid discussion. XD!

oh

[FM-Bisected Souls]

If you are referring to his day chat, he's referring to his telephone item, his n0 action.

Ah yes. Lol
Now i remember. Before
I forgor

Dang anon games and stuff like that just bang my memory against the desk (my screen)
Why cant we all be named from a to k
Or 1 to 11, like with the emails?

[FM-Bisected Souls]

The first person who invites me to a chat gets a free town read, that will last until sod3!!

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

Ah yes. Lol
Now i remember. Before
I forgor

Dang anon games and stuff like that just bang my memory against the desk (my screen)
Why cant we all be named from a to k
Or 1 to 11, like with the emails?

Spoiler : players # :

#	Name	Status	Role	ISO
1	FM-Silent Night	Alive	?	ISO
2	FM-Matrix6	Alive	?	ISO
3	FM-Last Hope	Alive	?	ISO
4	FM-All Stars	Alive	?	ISO
5	FM-Wilder Wastelander	Alive	?	ISO
6	FM-Looney Toons	Alive	?	ISO
7	FM-Gravity Falls	Alive	?	ISO
8	FM-Mid-Atlantic	Alive	?	ISO
9	FM-Once Upon a Town	Alive	?	ISO
10	FM-Bisected Souls	Alive	?	ISO
11	FM-Politico	Alive	?	ISO

Here you go @FM-Bisected Souls aka 10.

[FM-Bisected Souls]

The first person who invites me to a chat gets a free town read, that will last until sod3!!

:gets force invited to cult:

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Here you go @FM-Bisected Souls aka 10.

Thank you, 9
You are my neighbour in table

[FM-Silent Night]

You seem to think this particular typo of his of great importance. It's the second or maybe even third time you're mentioning this. IMO it was pretty obvious in context who he wanted to refer to, so i believe this really is just a typo, pasting the wrong name. Either you're tunneling on the mistake or you're using it to paint wilder.

I don't think thats fair. Yes I have mentioned it but I specifically said it could be a simple mistake. What is relevant is the pattern.
Saying the wrong name
Correcting the name but it doesn't make sense
Voicing reads exist without giving reasoning
Claiming to believe 2 people are aligned without giving reasoning

This would be simple to clear up. Someone with a thought process that created those positions could just explain them. Instead its become a big thing. Saying the wrong name alone is just a typo as you have pointed out but that has not been my point at all.

You saying I did not ask myself something along with saying you checked is inconsistent because you are voicing you were careful and put thought into the question while you obviously did not. That could easily be a simple mistake.

I feel like I was pretty clear on that. Im not sure what you are painting here.

[FM-Matrix6]

i am back from the matrix!

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

Town do not look for who is 'easy' and 'safe' to lynch.

I'm new to the company of this forum, but in my understanding of the game, if a city cannot find a pronounced scum, it simply will not vote for anyone.

However, the setup obliges us to lynch someone on the first day.

Safe lynch (neut for example) is an option.

[FM-Matrix6]

I don't think thats fair. Yes I have mentioned it but I specifically said it could be a simple mistake. What is relevant is the pattern.
Saying the wrong name
Correcting the name but it doesn't make sense
Voicing reads exist without giving reasoning
Claiming to believe 2 people are aligned without giving reasoning

This would be simple to clear up. Someone with a thought process that created those positions could just explain them. Instead its become a big thing. Saying the wrong name alone is just a typo as you have pointed out but that has not been my point at all.

I feel like I was pretty clear on that. Im not sure what you are painting here.

a few pages behind but can you tell me what correcting the name refers to? or u can tell me to go do my own homework

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

Idk, what could be a situation... Being top wagon, maybe ?

If the city executes TPR for no reason, nothing will help them to win.

[FM-Matrix6]

I'm new to the company of this forum, but in my understanding of the game, if a city cannot find a pronounced scum, it simply will not vote for anyone.

However, the setup obliges us to lynch someone on the first day.

Safe lynch (neut for example) is an option.

you quoted a post that started with "Town" and then say "city"? try harder to appear "new"

[FM-Matrix6]

@FM-Looney Toons i need to know what typos you dont like, who made them, and how many times. respond.

[FM-Matrix6]

Ah because most of the peeps on this site are Americans.

MURICA

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

you quoted a post that started with "Town" and then say "city"? try harder to appear "new"

in my community they say "city". It is important? I'm sure you understand what I mean.

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

you quoted a post that started with "Town" and then say "city"? try harder to appear "new"

I am new for THIS community, not the game.

[FM-Matrix6]

in my community they say "city". It is important? I'm sure you understand what I mean.

yes, i can understand, Stadt

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

Ah because most of the peeps on this site are Americans.

I am not. Is it important too? Or reason to lynch?

[FM-All Stars]

If the city executes TPR for no reason, nothing will help them to win.

I have my reason.

I don't believe you're TPR at all, you're scummy

[FM-Matrix6]

@FM-All Stars Anything good N0?

[FM-All Stars]

@FM-All Stars Anything good N0?

Not really

[FM-Last Hope]

I am not. Is it important too? Or reason to lynch?

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

[FM-Matrix6]

Not really

compulsory n0 doe

i had no n0 btw

[FM-Silent Night]

a few pages behind but can you tell me what correcting the name refers to? or u can tell me to go do my own homework

Wilder said something along the lines of 'You did not question your scum buddy Silent night' then later clarified they had mistyped and they meant All Star.