S-FM 337: Play at Your Own Risk

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

What typo do you mean, lol? Nothing is modified. No mistake, my role ability is multitaskable. I can remember more then one role. At the moment I am Jailor (Gravity Falls role).

In red the typo

Alignment: Town
Role: Forgetful Amnesiac

Factional Abilities:
Town is the uninformed majority and receives no factional abilities. Use your vote and your role to win!

Role Abilities:
Remember
(Day Action, Multitaskable)
You may target a rolecard in the graveyard. You become that role (but not that alignment) until you use this ability again.

You retain this ability even after remembering a new roles.

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

That's interesting. If it helps to clear or condemn someone, that would great so we can end the game.

Sadly I don't see how that would help or I'd have said it already.

[FM-Last Hope]

I dont believe in your god - anime addiction is a sin

Talking about waifus in this thread is bad.

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

To be honest, I found this setup broken.

We have no setup info to scumhunt. Knowing the setup itself, such as the number of neutral and evil roles, is the key to finding scums. We don't have that key. What do we have now? Two or three cultists and an arsonist? Some single unfinished scum? The behavior of the scums will be different depending on these circumstances. All these nightly redirects only make things worse. There is more then one redirection mechanics ingame, because there is no way to redirect me from Silent Night to Gravity Falls with the only BD ability (knowing Bisected Souls was bussed too).

[FM-Last Hope]

Sadly I don't see how that would help or I'd have said it already.

If we can't even trust mech to help solve the game, even in a bastard setup then it's a crapshoot apart from making social reads.

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

In red the typo

What's wrong, lol? I can remember different roleS

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

Also, I'm not impressed with the second coming of Jesus. That vote on already dead Matrix kinda trolling.

[FM-Last Hope]

Also, I'm not impressed with the second coming of Jesus. That vote on already dead Matrix kinda trolling.

I noticed that when I was looking in the VC.

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Wilder claims he tried to kill Silent Night.
I never visited who i intended to despite my targets not being bussed.
Politico was gone, and now... Well he's still gone but at least talks to us.
@FM-Bisected Souls what was it that you meant there :

Say who you targeted
We will say if smth happened to him

[FM-Last Hope]

I should be around for EoD, and Politico if they're town has a bit of work to do.
If I'm right that they're some kind of godfather role, then this game might end today.

[FM-Last Hope]

Which we'll find out in 8 and a half hours.
I'll see you all near end of day.

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

What's wrong, lol? I can remember different roleS

Yes but you can only remember a single role at a time, so the plural here makes no sense

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

Say who you targeted
We will say if smth happened to him

I did....

Discussion is stale, so i will reveal all i know :
I targeted Silent Night N1 but didn't visit them.
I targeted Wilder Wastelander N2 but didn't visit them.
I know who i end up visiting as part of my night feedback.
I may reveal that too if you feel it is required or would help.

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

I should be around for EoD, and Politico if they're town has a bit of work to do.
If I'm right that they're some kind of godfather role, then this game might end today.

I think i've heard that last bit before...

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Actually, i think this role is plausible as town, contrary to what came up afterwards he's supposed to only have 1 ability at a time :


What strikes me most is the typo, tho : "a new roles". I don't think Lag would make such a mistake in a rolecard. I don't think that's wilder's real role and i don't think we're supposed to believe it is. May All Stars hear me from above : J-word.

Yes
The role clearly isnt copypasted

[FM-Bisected Souls]

I somewhat understand. I find the assumption that Wilder had posted a modified version of their role card very odd though.

Looking at what it translates to in practice I suppose its not as OP as I had first assumed. Even if they kept their abilities it would mean going into N3 they would have the abilities:

Power word Kill (0 uses.. or now negative 1 uses?)
Mind Control (Maybe can't be used if they have no mana?)
Blackmail/Fake Blackmail (unlimited use forever)
Jail / create a chat (unlimited use forever)
Roleblock jailed target (unlimited use forever)

I suppose it could exist as some town counterbalance to swing ensuring town functions are retained as the game goes on? Although consolidating all dead town and scum roles on a slot is still pretty scum smashing even if some functions can be of little use. But then would that make sense with cult conversions? That would create a massive power swing. I dont know.

I just need to shut the fuck up about mechanics and follow my own advice and do some basic player analysis. I keep getting stuck on this role reveal although it baffles me why everyone else just kinda accepted it as a non issue. I am really having trouble accepting this role is could be town.

Inst it just grave digger? Which stays aslong as u dont dig up a new grave?

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

Yes but you can only remember a single role at a time, so the plural here makes no sense

Ask Lag about that. I just copied host's text.

[FM-Bisected Souls]

So if I don't like my own lynch, perhaps I can appeal to you that killing me tomorrow and telegraphing it is dumb, citizen of our fair state.

This is complete nonsense
You just hsay one beautiful word after the next one

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

Yes
The role clearly isnt copypasted

Lol, it is copypasted.

[FM-Bisected Souls]

@FM-Mid-Atlantic why did you say Silent Night mechanically couldn't be scum ?

Here's a quick reads list. I'm not entirely satisfied with it, i'll try to improve it because it's not really helpful as it is.

Spoiler : reads :

Silent Night
Atlantic
Politico
Last Hope
Souls
Wastelander

How am i worse than politico and last hope
One is nai
One changes his claims every second
I have confirmed town role?!

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

How am i worse than politico and last hope
One is nai
One changes his claims every second
I have confirmed town role?!

You're not, this is an unordered list

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Wilder would be a prime target for the scum nightkill if they're town. I don't see why they wouldn't be the nightkill if they're town as being a jailor is pretty strong to confirm players as not killer.

Lol
You really succ at wifom, dont you?
Scum, (if there even is an anti town killer) will kill some1 else. Than we will lynch wilder for not being killed.
Scum always tries to kill the ppl outside of poe, to make the poe resolv itself

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

I think it is worth pointing out that only Politico's and Once Upon's behavior has changed, compared to the days 1 and 2.

[FM-Bisected Souls]

If thats the true level of bastard going on we are all dumb citizens thinking we have PR's that actually mean something. Lol

The piece I have that stands against that though was the Atlantic bus. The spy targeted the other guy, Atlantic bussed the other guy and me and I got into chat with the spy.

Maybe there is some hidden 'insane' modifier on some actions or roles which mean our actions function differently than we think? Could tin foil anything really.

Popped in my head so I had to cater to my incessant drive to ramble out loud before going back to working on a thing.

You mean we are all paranoi d gun owners instead of compulsive doctors?

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Talking about waifus in this thread is bad.

What?
I pushed that non sense back to were it cane from, and then you critizise ME?!

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

Lol
You really succ at wifom, dont you?
Scum, (if there even is an anti town killer) will kill some1 else. Than we will lynch wilder for not being killed.
Scum always tries to kill the ppl outside of poe, to make the poe resolv itself

I realy don't care about that. With all this night redirections night kill will be randoming
The problem is that if we have real neutral killer, it's arso or something like. We have no neut kills in two night (n1 cult kill by Toons, n2 my kill redirected somehow).

Also, don't forgot Gravity will kill someone this night (and will be redirected too, lol).

Are we playing Russian Roulette, not Mafia?

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

You mean we are all paranoi d gun owners instead of compulsive doctors?

We are all paranoid gun owners with random targets to shoot

[FM-Bisected Souls]

I did....

Yea yeah i noticed myself later
I just andwer smth
And then only go reading further

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Ask Lag about that. I just copied host's text.

How did you get the role?
Discord or forum?
I got it per forum and mine had WAYYYY more colours and intented stuff and different text size etc.

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

Real setup:
1 cult
5 townies with guns
5 townies with redirection abilities.

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

How did you get the role?
Discord or forum?
I got it per forum and mine had WAYYYY more colours and intented stuff and different text size etc.

Forum. I copied just text without colors and so on. Quoting Lag will be punishable, isn't it?

[FM-Bisected Souls]

I realy don't care about that. With all this night redirections night kill will be randoming
The problem is that if we have real neutral killer, it's arso or something like. We have no neut kills in two night (n1 cult kill by Toons, n2 my kill redirected somehow).

Also, don't forgot Gravity will kill someone this night (and will be redirected too, lol).

Are we playing Russian Roulette, not Mafia?

Lol
Russian roulette

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Real setup:
1 cult
5 townies with guns
5 townies with redirection abilities.

Egh, game over?

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Forum. I copied just text without colors and so on. Quoting Lag will be punishable, isn't it?

Only thing copypastable is
Feedback day or night
Role card

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

Lol
Russian roulette

Nope. It's last man standing! The Highlander mode on.

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

Only thing copypastable is
Feedback day or night
Role card

Well, if I will be modkilled, I will find you IRL

Alignment: Town
Role: Forgetful Amnesiac

Factional Abilities:
Town is the uninformed majority and receives no factional abilities. Use your vote and your role to win!

Role Abilities:
Remember
(Day Action, Multitaskable)
You may target a rolecard in the graveyard. You become that role (but not that alignment) until you use this ability again.

You retain this ability even after remembering a new roles.

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Nope. It's last man standing! The Highlander mode on.

OMFG
I JUST HAD THE BEST IDEA
GO ON MAFIA UNIVERSE
VISIT THE ROLE LIST
COPY IT AND THROW AWAY THE FLIPS AND CLAIMS
THEN START REMEMBERING THOSE
ACTION: REMEMBER ARSONIST
ACTION: REMEMBER DISGUISER
AND SO ON, JUST WITHALL THE 200 ROLES
IF YOU WONT REMEMBER MATRIX WE WILL KNOW ITS SOME CUSTOM ROLE

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

OMFG
I JUST HAD THE BEST IDEA
GO ON MAFIA UNIVERSE
VISIT THE ROLE LIST
COPY IT AND THROW AWAY THE FLIPS AND CLAIMS
THEN START REMEMBERING THOSE
ACTION: REMEMBER ARSONIST
ACTION: REMEMBER DISGUISER
AND SO ON, JUST WITHALL THE 200 ROLES
IF YOU WONT REMEMBER MATRIX WE WILL KNOW ITS SOME CUSTOM ROLE

I don't think it's possible. I can obviously remember roles only from our game.

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

I think it is worth pointing out that only Politico's and Once Upon's behavior has changed, compared to the days 1 and 2.

??????
Sure you've not been looking in a mirror rather than your computer's screen ?

[FM-Bisected Souls]

I don't think it's possible. I can obviously remember roles only from our game.

Yeah
But you just ask lag
And if they say "that's not possible"
You try the next role

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

Spoiler : best worst idea :

OMFG
I JUST HAD THE BEST IDEA
GO ON MAFIA UNIVERSE
VISIT THE ROLE LIST
COPY IT AND THROW AWAY THE FLIPS AND CLAIMS
THEN START REMEMBERING THOSE
ACTION: REMEMBER ARSONIST
ACTION: REMEMBER DISGUISER
AND SO ON, JUST WITHALL THE 200 ROLES
IF YOU WONT REMEMBER MATRIX WE WILL KNOW ITS SOME CUSTOM ROLE

Nope, he must target from the game's graveyard :

You may target a rolecard in the graveyard.

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

See, these kind of ideas is why i cant town read you lol

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

Read List atm:

Mid-Atlantic town lock
Bisected Souls likely town party maker+spy
Once Upon a Town likely town, but his behaviour changed from day 1 and 2. Disguised? More likely tired of this game?
Last Hope Coming more suspicious with every his post, looks like he is not interested in game solving. But we have no another invest claims. Let him be neut for now.
Politico With new replacement he looks even more inadequate
Silent Night No town effort at all, using cult mechanics saying he is town. I will not buy this shit.

If we lynch Politico, Silent will be in the my perma-jail-roleblock.

[FM-Bisected Souls]

See, these kind of ideas is why i cant town read you lol

Bruh
Atleast im trying to get info
Sorry that im not a
Big huge op mafia mastermind

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Ergh, politico will be lynched.
We may be wont wven have a night kill

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Omfg
Wild
Try to remember "?????"
Or the kill flavor
I am sure it will wotk

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

N1 I checked Politico and they're town. N2 Couldn't check. So hopefully N3 depending on if I live or not.

Reading Last Hope ISO I noticed a little thing.

It is possible that his invest check is a cult ability that costs 3 mana. For this reason he cannot use it every day.

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

Omfg
Wild
Try to remember "?????"
Or the kill flavor
I am sure it will wotk

I tryed, that was my first action claimed after Matrix lynch. But host said "you can target only rolecards, not players. Matrix flipped no rolecard"

[FM-Silent Night]

If we lynch Politico, Silent will be in the my perma-jail-roleblock.

I look forward to our BDSM sessions ; )

[FM-Wilder Wastelander]

Ergh, politico will be lynched.
We may be wont wven have a night kill

We WILL have night kill. Gravity Falls will shoot someone.