I'll be around at EOD for sure and all day tomorrow, and I'm not gonna vote SB tonight just in case of a possible 3 scum hammer.
I'll be around at EOD for sure and all day tomorrow, and I'm not gonna vote SB tonight just in case of a possible 3 scum hammer.
How many lessons do we have to learn?
Guillo said I was town at the end of day 1
Voss said I was town multiple times during day 2
Loldebite said I had pocketed him
The only person who hasn't outright stated I was town was Frinckles, who didn't say anything at all. How can you think I'm scum here? I'm genuinely baffled.
Stealth, if you aren't, then MM is, again FMPOV.
But you don't think MM is scum, so I understand your reasoning for voting me. But again just consider the world where I am town.
What would that mean?
I'll be on around 9 AM est or 7 hours from now. For now, sleep.
@PQRnHack who of SB and MM is scum?
Not assuming they both are, and who is more dangerous.
Which of them is scum?
Listen, I could be the biggest idiot ever here, and I'm not particularly good at FM. But the two facts remain for me:
4 Power roles being town is extremely extremely unlikely
The other 2 remaining power roles both voting PQ.
It just doesn't add up. And this is where I'm coming from, in case observers are laughing their asses off at me or rolling their eyes.
I feel like at this point I have to buy in that PQ is town, and I know I'm town, so either its SB or MM. In the case that its MM, it's probably Oliverz too.
I need to go back and reread.
And sleep.
So if I assume you're town, then:
Then that makes one of MM or SB16 scum.
Which would make PQ town
Which would mean I'm very wrong on one of Gikkle or oliver.
Possible teams:
MM/SB16/Pao
MM/SB16/Gikkle
MM/SB16/oliver
MM/Gikkle/Pao
MM/Gikkle/oliver
MM/oliver/Pao
SB16/Gikkle/Pao
SB16/Gikkle/oliver
SB16/oliver/Pao
But yesterday you cleared Pao because all the other power roles were on him, so if you're town, then Pao is just town here too
So possible teams are:
MM/Gikkle/oliver
SB16/Gikkle/oliver
MM/SB16/Gikkle
MM/SB16/oliver
These teams all imply that at least one of my reads, if not both, on oliver + Gikkle are completely wrong though, as well as my read on Pao being completely wrong. I'll re-examine those three slots, but I want to hear what you think the team is. Since it's awfully convenient that you + Pao + PQ are all just banding together to defend each other now. Occam's razor and all.
@Renegade
The thing I'm struggling with most is, if PQ is town, then did Martin just give town a congress chat with 3 town in it?? Or which between oliver and Gikkle is the wolf?
The only scenario I can imagine a 3 person town congress is if wolves have a 2 person team consisting of two of SA/Mayor/Judge (but lmao if that's the case this game)
Because otherwise if all 3 of them are town, that means that there are 3 wolves among Gov, Medic, Judge, Mayor. But can't have Mayor + Judge because a 3 person team with two vote power manipulators gives town one less mis-chop before they lose.
But given the way you're playing this day, the only possible team would be Pao/MM/SB16
But even typing out a Medic, Gov, Judge team feels silly because that's OP for wolves lol.
Which means there's just a wolf in the congress
If MM/SB16 are scum then I blame Voss for tunneling me to save them. I was pushing for them hard on day 2, but then Voss hard-defended them and distracted me lmao
The more I consider worlds where Ren and PQ are actually t/t rather than w/w, the more I get concerned by Gikkle's fake voter claim as congressman.
Reminds me of some sage mafia advice I got from a player far better than me:
If an FPS (fancy play syndrome) play is claimed to justify weird behavior, but the play generated valuable and insightful conclusions - then that play is likely a town trying to solve the game
If an FPS play is claimed to justify weird behavior, but the conclusions from the play just sound like justifications for making the play rather than anything new - then that play is likely a wolf trying to retrospectively justify wolfy actions OR a wolf doing some weird LAMIST silliness
If an FPS play gets screwed up/aborted by someone else derping to interfere with it, then it's NAI
It's not a hard and fast rule... but looking over Gikkle's conclusion again:
This... this is nothing new. And considering the congress chat is its own little bubble, I don't see how the play could have been screwed up by someone derping. So assuming PQ posts in the congress chat as often as he posts in the thread, how is the only conclusion Gikkle has on PQ: "neutral reactions"
How is his conclusion just:
If PQ is actually town, isn't this just a wolf?
Doods!
It's freaking Marshmallow MARSHALL!!!
We have been fooled
I have been fooled, and so are you!
Getting some sleep, I will be driving all of tomorrow, will stop at a gas station somewhere before EoD to catch up on posts + drop a vote.
Upon considering the hypothetical worlds more, I still think I already posted the correct solve at the start of today (PQ + Ren + Pao) and will vote accordingly.
@Renegade assuming you're town, I understand where you're coming from.
But don't try to convince me you're town.
Don't try to convince me some individual alternative player is a wolf.
Don't try to convince me that my solve is wrong.
Convince me of a better solve. Since right now I'm really not seeing it.
Anyway any additional posts from me this day outside of said EoD vote + catchup will be because I'm an FM addict neglecting other tasks in order to post more, lmao
Can be active again on day 4
Or u r scum
U, gilkle, pqr thats 1 scum prob
Rene, mm, sb16, pao tahts 2 scum prob
Now thats many poss. We need a math equation
Thats what i wanted ur pssiblelynch list for
And it didnt cone lol
Instead u tr every1 that u r tslalking to rn
So to avaoid being voted
U even started saying that d1 was t/t and scum was offtrack
Then u started saying that mm+sb16 obv scum
Now u nreak ur conf town obw lock read, me
Die scum.
Praise the Lord!
Ok
Every1 is scummish
Praise the Lord!
I wantclag flipeppeed
Praise the Lord!
I ask why scum didnt hammer any1 yet
Praise the Lord!
Pqrn or sb16 is the lycnh to go
Praise the Lord!
Good take here. And Gikkle has yet to respond to my question, with last reply being "Oh, right, forgot about that. Will get to that in a bit."
I guess in a bit means a day later or maybe even D4? LOL
Reason I wanted Gikkle to show examples of where oliver was exhibiting is that there aren't any
@oliverz144 , since Gikkle seems absent for a while, what is your take on Gikkle saying "Oliverz, pao zedong, whatever, had quite townie reactions; he seemed genuinely confused at what I was doing." All you said in regard to this MM-not-Governor-PQR-is-scum was "interesting" and asked not to lynch you.
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Upon considering the hypothetical worlds more, I still think I already posted the correct solve at the start of today (PQ + Ren + Pao) and will vote accordingly.
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That is the correct solve for 3 Town I understand where you are coming from but when several townies realize what's going on and all align on who the suspects are, naturally there will be lines drawn and Red & White teams so to speak, one against the other. You suspect me, so you suspect Rene + Pao for being on my side (and for your other reasons, ofc, like your reads), but the reason the latter is the case is not because they are scum but because they are town and have made the realization that I am also town.
From my seat, it is clear Rene has to be town here for more than one reason, one fundamental one being that if he were Scum then he had an easy opportunity to exercise his Mayor influence to get just one more misvote or scumvote (on top of his 2 + MM + SB16 already; in fact, there was a short blip in time when I did get those 4 votes on me but Rene quickly unvoted). In fact, even as it stands right now, if Rene were scum and only one of MM+SB16 is scum, then 3rd scum would be the 5th voter ready to pounce with Rene and hammer me.
Pao has expressed willingness to get either SB16 or MM. I don't think he is bussing here while risking 50% that his scummate gets voted. He had an easy opportunity to stick to PQR train.
Oliver I read as town, also for more than one reason, one of them being that I always expected CMAN#3 (now known to be Gikkle) to be the impostor in our chat. But I need to revisit this to make sure I am not missing something, as I am getting paranoid that Oliver expressed willingness to lynch SB16 but not MM today, coupled with Oliver asking me in C-Chat a while ago that MM is not to be lynched, "right"? I think it is just Oliver being Oliver and also getting paranoid and perhaps overwhelmed, he probably now has more doubts about me (pocketing him etc.) than he did 24-72 hours ago. It is a good thing to have doubts, though.
And rn im happy with any lynch
Praise the Lord!
Or better
Im happy with no lynch
Yes
I will refrain from voting
Is eod in 5h?!?
Praise the Lord!