S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

[Stealthbomber16]

If my medic claim is a gambit, why you keep raising awareness to it? Let the WIFOM be wifom!
i guess im not the medic then, oh well *sigh*

If i was the medic i would self heal tbh, or.. i meant, im gonna self heal tonight, or one of my town reads…yah.

And about Empathy, this is a game of lies man, a game of manipulation, empathetic people are easily manipulated, specially with AtE. Empathy is a weakness in this game. Im a sociopath in the game of mafia.

Empathy was the wrong word, I just don't know the right one. (Although it is a strong tool in this game when used correctly)

It's a game of a bunch of different individual players, not a lobby full of people who are Guillo. Different people are going to react differently to what you do. You cannot assume that every player will react rationally at all times.

[Stealthbomber16]

I do think that Frinckles had a very weak showing today, even disregarding his meta of being a strong player. I'm not sure whether to chalk that up to apathy or scum (or both?).

@Voss Can you explain your read on Gikkle to me? I don't remember anything that he did.

[Renegade]

I'd vote for frinckles now, instead of pao, because pao's behavior is more typical

-vote Frinckles

I'm down to vote Frinckles as well.

[Guillo]

The thing about MM is he voted me up early on (p2, post 95). Would Mafia do that that - initiate a brand new vote on a townie - when there are other fish available with votes initiated by town? Why would Mafia start up a train that would make them suspects D2? For this reason, I am skeptical that either Guillo or MM is mafia. Ofc there is WIFOM possible, but I am leaning towards MM not being Mafia here. At that point in the game, mafia was not under any tremendous pressure to start up a new wagon to save a mafia from a lynch.

If either of these two is mafia, Guillo would be the more likely one, placing the vote on me much later, here on p7 (though Guillo did vote me up early on p3, but then switched votes around several times, finally returning to voting PQR here on p7). I say more likely simply because if a mafia exists in MM+Guillo, then the only reason I can think of to jump in with 4 hours left of D1 would be to avoid someone else getting lynched like Frinckles or Guillo himself. There is also some awkwardness here in that town~Guillo may be biased towards voting someone with an existing vote or someone who is easy to lynch just for self-preservation purposes. I say this because the same applies to me - now that I have 2 votes on me, if this keeps up, then I will be forced to decide whether to let it go or to vote some other train with existing votes, even if that person is not someone I wanted to vote.

Will I vote off a counter-train person? Will I reveal my PR role to save myself? Will I let my useless self get lynched in order to avoid the possibility of mislynching a possible PR counter-train? Time will tell Same goes to any other townie with votes piling up towards EoD.

You keep posting like either of these scenarios were realistic.

1) I was in danger of getting chopped with only two votes against me.
2) You were in danger of getting chopped with only two votes against you.

You also speak like I just switched my vote on you out if self preservation as if i didnt catch your scummy behavior previous to that and im just voting you out of the blue.

3) If Lag does not comeback soon i'd be ok with a CFD on him. Any takers on the idea?

[Guillo]

Empathy was the wrong word, I just don't know the right one. (Although it is a strong tool in this game when used correctly)

It's a game of a bunch of different individual players, not a lobby full of people who are Guillo. Different people are going to react differently to what you do. You cannot assume that every player will react rationally at all times.

Im not expecting everyone to play like me, no one can, im the most versatile and craziest player you will ever meet with an unrivaled day 1 reads accuracy.

BUT

I will expect behavior from town that is characteristic of such.

[Voss]

I do think that Frinckles had a very weak showing today, even disregarding his meta of being a strong player. I'm not sure whether to chalk that up to apathy or scum (or both?).

@Voss Can you explain your read on Gikkle to me? I don't remember anything that he did.

I can do an ISO on him, but that's probably all the time that I will have to do today before EoD.

[Loldebite]

You keep posting like either of these scenarios were realistic.

1) I was in danger of getting chopped with only two votes against me.
2) You were in danger of getting chopped with only two votes against you.

You also speak like I just switched my vote on you out if self preservation as if i didnt catch your scummy behavior previous to that and im just voting you out of the blue.

3) If Lag does not comeback soon i'd be ok with a CFD on him. Any takers on the idea?

i'll be honest, i'd really appreciaite if you explained the acronyms you use, i have no idea what CFD means

[PQRnHack]

You keep posting like either of these scenarios were realistic.

1) I was in danger of getting chopped with only two votes against me.
2) You were in danger of getting chopped with only two votes against you.

You also speak like I just switched my vote on you out if self preservation as if i didnt catch your scummy behavior previous to that and im just voting you out of the blue.

3) If Lag does not comeback soon i'd be ok with a CFD on him. Any takers on the idea?

2 votes are sufficient to initiate a train that grows, plus mafia can add or switch their votes on top of that. So yes, I think 2 votes that I know to be against a townie (myself) are dangerous. You seem to have missed the more important point of my post, which was the first paragraph. You are only commenting to the 2nd portion, which covers my thoughts on the scenario in which a scum exists in MM+Guillo. In short, I would be sooner voting you than MM for the reasons I stated (i.e., I do not like Gikkle's vote on MM, even if the post content analysis by Gikkle is reasonable).

[oliverz144]

Empathy was the wrong word, I just don't know the right one. (Although it is a strong tool in this game when used correctly)

It's a game of a bunch of different individual players, not a lobby full of people who are Guillo. Different people are going to react differently to what you do. You cannot assume that every player will react rationally at all times.

empathy is the right word
you walk a mile in their mocassins

[PQRnHack]

i'll be honest, i'd really appreciaite if you explained the acronyms you use, i have no idea what CFD means

Just google it and add " mafia". I had to do that as well, it's Chinese Fire Drill.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Chinese_Fire_Drill
CFD'ing or to "CFD" someone is when a group of voters suddenly switch votes right before end of day to someone who was previously not in contention to be lynched.

So he is proposing piling votes on Lag due to Lag's absence in recent hours.

[Voss]

Im not expecting everyone to play like me, no one can, im the most versatile and craziest player you will ever meet with an unrivaled day 1 reads accuracy.

BUT

I will expect behavior from town that is characteristic of such.

I liked your aggressiveness early on, but the cockiness is a huge turn off. It doesn't help town make town circles.

[PQRnHack]

I liked your aggressiveness early on, but the cockiness is a huge turn off. It doesn't help town make town circles.

Hah I found it pretty funny when I read about that unrivaled D1 accuracy, from a guy whose vote is currently on a scummy townie I guess my behavior is uncharacteristic of "such" (whatever such refers to - behavior same as his? idk)

[oliverz144]

i'll be honest, i'd really appreciaite if you explained the acronyms you use, i have no idea what CFD means

Chinese Fire drill
many ppl jumping over to another wagon

[oliverz144]

-vote frinckles

hes out of his meta.
lag cfd wont happen.
gikkle and Pqrn yet should stay alive tbh
gikkle is big brain sovler
pqrn is birthday kid
so theres only 1 thing left
except 1 vote trains

[Guillo]

2 votes are sufficient to initiate a train that grows, plus mafia can add or switch their votes on top of that. So yes, I think 2 votes that I know to be against a townie (myself) are dangerous. You seem to have missed the more important point of my post, which was the first paragraph. You are only commenting to the 2nd portion, which covers my thoughts on the scenario in which a scum exists in MM+Guillo. In short, I would be sooner voting you than MM for the reasons I stated (i.e., I do not like Gikkle's vote on MM, even if the post content analysis by Gikkle is reasonable).

I read it but i disregarded it because i know im town, i townread MM and unlike you, i give two shits if i get chopped today. Why? Because my posts are my legacy, because we can afford a few deaths as opposed to scum who can’t afford to lose a member here and because if im chopped and town does not consider my legacy then i get to tell everyone post game that i was right.

[Guillo]

-vote frinckles

hes out of his meta.
lag cfd wont happen.
gikkle and Pqrn yet should stay alive tbh
gikkle is big brain sovler
pqrn is birthday kid
so theres only 1 thing left
except 1 vote trains

Frinkles in not happening today. There is no info to be gained from chopping him, we chop PQR if your only read to keep him alive is because it is his birthday. Get his address and send him a gift card, our game is not for you to gift.

[Guillo]

I liked your aggressiveness early on, but the cockiness is a huge turn off. It doesn't help town make town circles.

You confuse cockiness with confidence. I know im the most versatile player you will ever meet, im 100% sure of it and how can I not be with 20 years playing mafia and variations of it.

What can i say, im good at this game.

[Loldebite]

Since EoD is near, it's time to get pragmatic. Here's what i think about who's being voted RN

Frinckles and Lag's silence are concerning, hopefully they show up before EoD to avoid getting lynched on low activity. I actually have a good feeling on Frinckles.
While they both used us to being very contributive, i still feel they'd be lynched because of low activity rather than actual AI uselessness.
I dont feel very good about PQR, but i dont feel good about MM either. I've got mixed feelings for Guillo too, though i think lack of experience on this particular site explains a lot. Anyway, not much convidence voting there. I do think the SB/Guillo thing shows T/T, but it doesnt seem unfakable.
MM feels weird, it does look like an attempt at pocketing, even though i see what oliverz meant about lag and kinda agree with it.
Voss could swing either way.
Gikkle i also like here, he gives off his usual vibe and seems solvy.

I'm starting to have really bad feelings about oliverz, since he seems to be avoiding meaningful interaction with everybody, including myself (e.g. he ignored my post where i asked his opinions).

[Gikkle]

As far as I remember, cocky Guillo is scum Guillo. Granted, I've only played 2 games with him, but it's something to keep in mind.

[Loldebite]

You confuse cockiness with confidence. I know im the most versatile player you will ever meet, im 100% sure of it and how can I not be with 20 years playing mafia and variations of it.

What can i say, im good at this game.

One comes with the other. I doubt behaving as such is a good strategy as town. On the other hand it can work to stay alive as scum, as PQR himself proved with his last scum game. Not threatening or anything, just making sure you know you're threading on burning ground.

[Guillo]

I think Stealth is town now.

Oliver, welcome to my scum pile.

Town

Marshmallow
Renegade
Pao
Stealth

Scum
At least 2 are in this list.

PQR
Voss
Lag
Oliver

Neutral
I dont have a read on them so they are PoE

Loldebite
Frickles
——————-

I will not vote outside my scum pile today.

[Guillo]

Forgot about Gikkle, he is still on review

[Loldebite]

This might be stupid, but i think there's enough time and much to gain from trying this :

-vote oliverz144

talk to us

[Guillo]

As far as I remember, cocky Guillo is scum Guillo. Granted, I've only played 2 games with him, but it's something to keep in mind.

Comments like this piss me off.

Show the games to provide more info to town rather than just a shade. Unless if course you expect everyone to take your word for it?
Then i can show you all my games where i am confident as either alignment.

[Gikkle]

I'll move my vote off of MM if no one wants to join me on it. MM seems to not want to engage with me for some reason, so I was unable to get more stuff from him to make a decision one way or the other...

Not sure I want to kill off PQRn just yet. He's playing more or less how I would expect of him as town. Don't really see a good reason to lynch him.

[Guillo]

Since EoD is near, it's time to get pragmatic. Here's what i think about who's being voted RN

Frinckles and Lag's silence are concerning, hopefully they show up before EoD to avoid getting lynched on low activity. I actually have a good feeling on Frinckles.
While they both used us to being very contributive, i still feel they'd be lynched because of low activity rather than actual AI uselessness.
I dont feel very good about PQR, but i dont feel good about MM either. I've got mixed feelings for Guillo too, though i think lack of experience on this particular site explains a lot. Anyway, not much convidence voting there. I do think the SB/Guillo thing shows T/T, but it doesnt seem unfakable.
MM feels weird, it does look like an attempt at pocketing, even though i see what oliverz meant about lag and kinda agree with it.
Voss could swing either way.
Gikkle i also like here, he gives off his usual vibe and seems solvy.

I'm starting to have really bad feelings about oliverz, since he seems to be avoiding meaningful interaction with everybody, including myself (e.g. he ignored my post where i asked his opinions).

Yah this player is also town.

[Guillo]

-vote oliverz144

I’ll support your vote loldebite.

[Loldebite]

I was about to switch onto MM lol
Gikkle, you wanted to see more of oliverz, now that you have, who do you feel about the slot ?

[Gikkle]

Comments like this piss me off.

Show the games to provide more info to town rather than just a shade. Unless if course you expect everyone to take your word for it?
Then i can show you all my games where i am confident as either alignment.

I had an observation, and I pointed it out. In Ice Cream Team mafia, in which you were town, I do not recall you being as cocky. In HPM Mafia 3, you were super cocky and were scum. If you can show that you're cocky as either alignment, great, I'd love to see it, since I'm still undecided on you anyways. But I was simply stating my thoughts that I figured might be relevant to the current discussion, based on my knowledge of how you've played in the past.

[Guillo]

“Oh no! We gotta kill Guillo, he is making the correct towncore and are boxing us in, kill him with fire!

Att: The scum chat “

Wouldnt that be amazing?

[Voss]

Spoiler : gikkle commentary :

I somehow forgot this started today, and now I've missed RVS...

Well whatever I'm still gonna random vote

-vote Frinckles

clearly scum

This is fun if Frinckles flips scum.

What is the logic behind this

Minor town points for mind melding, but easy for scum gikkle to point out

With Lag here, this is all too possible lol

This could be weird. Why is Lag the one that is capable of finding out congresspeople coms? Why call him out? Why the awkward lol at the end? Seems hesitant tone to me.

I think it's too early to tell, honestly. His posts so far I think could come from both T!Paopan and S!Paopan. In 333 (scum) and 334 (town), early on, he was pretty unhelpful in both games.

I might be giving too many free town points for people that remember other games, but unless Gikkle is scum team with Paopan, I don’t see scum Gikkle defending Paopan like this with meta reads. Town points

I wanna see more from Oliverz. Don't quite see why both Lag and Voss are TRing him. Sure, he did a really early read that kicked off discussion, but it felt a bit forced to me considering it was only 12 posts in the game and based off a flimsy reason. It'd make more sense for T!oliverz, if he thought he understood what T!Lag would do, to wait a little while longer to actually be sure Lag wouldn't say anything about optimal mech play. Instead he attacked Lag immediately, making it so Lag could very easily wiggle out of it if the meta WERE in fact true, and then his future posts kind of drop the topic (only briefly mentioning it in his most recent post) and focus more on mech.

Whole thing feels strange and I'm not quite sure if Oliverz genuinely believed what he was saying (that Lag not immediately making a grand plan within the first 12 posts of the game is scummy for them, despite the fact Lag did not do this in the last game he played with them) or if he was doing it just to look like he was coming into the game swinging.

I also find the 2 people immediately TRing him (voss and lag) and the 1 person actually joining his push (mm) rather strange. Voss has a weird, semi robotic tone which pinged me early on, so out of those 3 I find him the weirdest.

Talking about why Oliverz should have waited, and talking about how lag and Oliver could have staged their interaction seems/(seemed?) towny to me. Maybe Gikkle is being too tin foil though, because I believed Oliverz, but also. Maybe there’s more context here?

I also liked how gikkle called out my tone, which was one of the reasons why I TRed him. Maybe I have some thing where I TR people who SR me. Reverse OMGUS? It is parroting Guillo a bit so…

From what I've seen of him so far, I would say yes.

Mind meld on wrinkles, and I like the tone.

I doubt he was genuine. If he's town, I find it more likely he intentionally exaggerated simply to kick off discussion. For him to be genuine he would have to have somehow convinced himself that Lag's town meta is to post a grand plan within their first three posts, despite the fact that this did not even happen in the one game he played with T!Lag.

This seems less opportunistic and more genuine. It’s a continuation on the earlier post.

Who said Frinckles was my first choice? I simply said Frinckles would be a good lynch. I wouldn't be against lynching Voss or Oliverz, though. Doubt all three of them are scum, but I've had varying degrees of suspicion on all three.

This is very consistent to scum read me. Town points

Why are you speaking like you know exactly what he meant, despite the fact that all he said was "These 3 posts completely contradict the usual neutral-smart town game play" and "Town lag would already come up with a plan"?

Yes, I would also like to see Oliverz speak more about this - he ignored the last time I addressed him, not sure if he just missed it though.

Remembering that he was ignored seems like a town thing. Tone is soft here though

I don't think that's super obvious, unless you're completely dismissing beforehand the possibility of S!Oliverz? If you're trying to give Oliverz the benefit of the doubt and argue it's possible he wasn't being super literal/exaggerating a bit in his accusation, that's one thing, but arguing that's OBVIOUSLY what Oliverz was going for is a bit strange when there is always the possibility he's just straight up scum going for early aggression.

The attention to nuance here makes me think town again.

If Oliverz is town, good chance MM could be trying to whiteknight here. Not 100% since I can kind of see where he's coming from, but it's still strange that he presumes Oliverz is town and argued about what Oliverz was going for based on that assumption. It's more indicative of TMI than not, imo.
If Oliverz is scum, MM is likely town.

No comment on this post, but it seems important. Ugh. This is lame. I’d say this is a scum lean post, because I think MM is for sure a town. I don’t think MM is big brain enough to pocket me for my play style this game.

If Gikkle is town, Oliverz is scum, bc I trust the read.

No, I think you could be right and be town, but you trying to put words in Oliverz mouth (#169, #179) was very strange. #179 was also strange with the comments that it was "obvious he was not literal" because it "would not make sense", and later when I asked about whether that was dismissing the possibility of S!Oliverz doing it for scummy reasoning, you brought up an extreme scenario (#194, your point about Oliverz having to be a lunatic if he thought he could get Lag lynched from the beginning of the day. Not sure if this is just because you misinterpreted what I was saying? You never responded to me correcting you about what I meant by "early aggression") to dismiss my whole point about the possible justification S!Oliverz may have had where it would make sense for them to make a literal post like that so early on.

Your prior explanation for why Oliverz was town ( #168 ) didn't make much sense either. Here is what you said:

"There is a tone change in Lag. Pointing it out, starting the discussion strongly, making people take a stance about his read, all of this is towny and does not seem to be accidental. Oliver gets a townread from me for this; he's doing what a townie should do at gamestart, and I tend to start my town games in a similar manner whenever it's possible and I feel like getting into action quickly. "

This does not match up with what Oliverz has actually done.

"Pointing (Lag's alleged change in tone) out" - This is Marshmallow putting words in Oliverz mouth, which is what we talked about afterwards and which he acknowledges as a possibility in #179. The only thing Oliverz did publicly say was that Lag wasn't doing a full mechanical plan and "being smart town" like they were last game. Oliverz did not point out any kind of change in tone or anything like that.
"Starting the discussion strongly" - Strongly worded, sure. I wouldn't call it "starting the discussion strongly" though, as it wasn't strong in it's structure, considering he doesn't talk about it all after that and the explanation is pretty lackluster.
"Making people take a stance about his read" - Never happened.

This is just a very strange read altogether and seems a lot like you're trying to justify something you don't really believe in. Maybe I'm wrong? It's just weird on the surface and your answers so far have only raised more questions.

Sorry if this doesn't make much sense or is jumbled, I'm a bit tired.

Scum lean post for continuing to scum read MM. The apology at the end reminds me of the “lol” giklle put in at the end of a post. Awkward. I’m a “BIT” tired. Not tired. And also the apology seems like Gikkle is self conscious about what he’s doing. Maybe Gikkle is that type of person. Going to need someone else to chime in on Gikkle, because I sure as fuck aren’t going to read other game to get a read on them.

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

The vote though, is towny. No one scum reads MM (I think) except for Gikkle. Could be scum just setting up for another day though.

I've downgraded my read on Gikkle from a strong town read to just barely town. There's not enough conviction in the posts. Before the reread, I was going to say that Gikkle is a more cool headed version of Guillo, but the play styles here are pretty different. If someone told me there's one scum between Gikkle and Guillo, I'd pick Gikkle.

God, I never do ISOs but they're sometimes extremely helpful. Probably because it's so fucking difficult to get to the correct page. Thanks to a based host for including that in OP!!!!

[Guillo]

I was about to switch onto MM lol
Gikkle, you wanted to see more of oliverz, now that you have, who do you feel about the slot ?

If you switch there i will not support you.

[oliverz144]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and hypothesize that there are 3 corruptors here, thinking 2 PRs and 1 Congman/Voter (Cong kinda makes more sense for a scum 3rd wo/man). Town then has 3 PRs.

I think Stealth is town now.

Oliver, welcome to my scum pile.

Town

Marshmallow
Renegade
Pao
Stealth

Scum
At least 2 are in this list.

PQR
Voss
Lag
Oliver

Neutral
I dont have a read on them so they are PoE

Loldebite
Frickles
——————-

I will not vote outside my scum pile today.

reasoning?
you think you have a big cock in your underwear?

[Renegade]

Nah I'm not voting Oliveraz today.

[Voss]

reasoning?
you think you have a big cock in your underwear?

let's not do this please.

[Renegade]

reasoning?
you think you have a big cock in your underwear?

0_0

[Guillo]

I had an observation, and I pointed it out. In Ice Cream Team mafia, in which you were town, I do not recall you being as cocky. In HPM Mafia 3, you were super cocky and were scum. If you can show that you're cocky as either alignment, great, I'd love to see it, since I'm still undecided on you anyways. But I was simply stating my thoughts that I figured might be relevant to the current discussion, based on my knowledge of how you've played in the past.

As cocky?

That implies i was cocky but not as much here. That is a contradiction to your own scum read on me. Your FoS on me here does not seem natural.

Welcome to my PoE bud.

Search for Guillotina at MU, MS, MC or FoL.
My confidence (not cockiness) is NAI for me.

[Guillo]

And Gikkle you say is not a scum read but you made that comment at a rather opportunistic time.

[Gikkle]

I was about to switch onto MM lol
Gikkle, you wanted to see more of oliverz, now that you have, who do you feel about the slot ?

I think them not realizing Lag was scum in Galactica indicates a genuine mistake about meta on Oliverz' part, which explains their hasty accusation at the beginning of the game, and that gives me the impression it was probably an honest observation by Oliverz that was simply borne out of a faulty memory. Not 100% sure, but his more recent posts have seemed okay tonally, and I'm pretty sure MM was trying to pocket him or something along those lines anyways so there's that.

Wouldn't want to lynch him today.

[oliverz144]

This might be stupid, but i think there's enough time and much to gain from trying this :

-vote oliverz144

talk to us

well
tmrw we will know a lot
a LOT MORE
medic is single use e.g.
and every action is annoounced
there arent 2 parties yet, as it was in game 334
and this is IIoA
hmm.
1 vote is nothing
but 1 vote will get guillo here
2 vote is a lot
and i have many enemies
town has many enemies
at least 2, to be sure
so... maybe i should defend, indeed.
look at me, im so towny
wait isnt this LAMIST?
ok forget it
ummmm
look, i skipped >RVS< and ppl followed me
we all know, rvs is unproductive
i made town productive
soo im like the fuel the heads of town-solvers work on
sooo no fuel -> no solving -> town looses
let me life

[Guillo]

reasoning?
you think you have a big cock in your underwear?

I do. A footlong one, why do you ask?

[Gikkle]

“Oh no! We gotta kill Guillo, he is making the correct towncore and are boxing us in, kill him with fire!

Att: The scum chat “

Wouldnt that be amazing?

Hm. Noted.

[oliverz144]

-vote oliverz144

I’ll support your vote loldebite.

wow i predicted it.
your plays are clear guillo
i would vote you but no1 else will
so until tmrw where i will want to chop u

[oliverz144]

“Oh no! We gotta kill Guillo, he is making the correct towncore and are boxing us in, kill him with fire!

Att: The scum chat “

Wouldnt that be amazing?

sooo your scum is
me, since u r voting me
pqr i think
annnnnd who again? or do u think only 2 scums are there?

[Guillo]

well
tmrw we will know a lot
a LOT MORE
medic is single use e.g.
and every action is annoounced
there arent 2 parties yet, as it was in game 334
and this is IIoA
hmm.
1 vote is nothing
but 1 vote will get guillo here
2 vote is a lot
and i have many enemies
town has many enemies
at least 2, to be sure
so... maybe i should defend, indeed.
look at me, im so towny
wait isnt this LAMIST?
ok forget it
ummmm
look, i skipped >RVS< and ppl followed me
we all know, rvs is unproductive
i made town productive
soo im like the fuel the heads of town-solvers work on
sooo no fuel -> no solving -> town looses
let me life

Nah, reads please. You are telling us what we can figure out on our own already.

[oliverz144]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and hypothesize that there are 3 corruptors here, thinking 2 PRs and 1 Congman/Voter (Cong kinda makes more sense for a scum 3rd wo/man). Town then has 3 PRs.

a good post for town and PQRN.

[Guillo]

sooo your scum is
me, since u r voting me
pqr i think
annnnnd who again? or do u think only 2 scums are there?

Didnt you just quote my entire readlist a few posts ago and now you are pretending to not remember my reads? Cone on!

Top 3 town and top 3 scum. Now! Go go go!

[Gikkle]

As cocky?

That implies i was cocky but not as much here. That is a contradiction to your own scum read on me. Your FoS on me here does not seem natural.

Welcome to my PoE bud.

Search for Guillotina at MU, MS, MC or FoL.
My confidence (not cockiness) is NAI for me.

What are you talking about lol
When I say you were "not as cocky in Ice cream mafia", that does not imply there is any cockiness at all in Ice Cream Team mafia; just that this game contains MORE cockiness than you had in Ice Cream Team mafia.

I'm not talking about confidence here. I'm specifically talking about you flaunting the "I'm the best player" or "I have the most accurate reads" stuff.

And Gikkle you say is not a scum read but you made that comment at a rather opportunistic time.

I made it when the discussion was relevant and I had gotten online. I can point out potentially suspicious behavior without scumreading someone.

[oliverz144]

Spoiler : gikkle commentary :

This is fun if Frinckles flips scum.



Minor town points for mind melding, but easy for scum gikkle to point out



This could be weird. Why is Lag the one that is capable of finding out congresspeople coms? Why call him out? Why the awkward lol at the end? Seems hesitant tone to me.


I might be giving too many free town points for people that remember other games, but unless Gikkle is scum team with Paopan, I don’t see scum Gikkle defending Paopan like this with meta reads. Town points



Talking about why Oliverz should have waited, and talking about how lag and Oliver could have staged their interaction seems/(seemed?) towny to me. Maybe Gikkle is being too tin foil though, because I believed Oliverz, but also. Maybe there’s more context here?

I also liked how gikkle called out my tone, which was one of the reasons why I TRed him. Maybe I have some thing where I TR people who SR me. Reverse OMGUS? It is parroting Guillo a bit so…



Mind meld on wrinkles, and I like the tone.



This seems less opportunistic and more genuine. It’s a continuation on the earlier post.



This is very consistent to scum read me. Town points



Remembering that he was ignored seems like a town thing. Tone is soft here though



The attention to nuance here makes me think town again.



No comment on this post, but it seems important. Ugh. This is lame. I’d say this is a scum lean post, because I think MM is for sure a town. I don’t think MM is big brain enough to pocket me for my play style this game.

If Gikkle is town, Oliverz is scum, bc I trust the read.



Scum lean post for continuing to scum read MM. The apology at the end reminds me of the “lol” giklle put in at the end of a post. Awkward. I’m a “BIT” tired. Not tired. And also the apology seems like Gikkle is self conscious about what he’s doing. Maybe Gikkle is that type of person. Going to need someone else to chime in on Gikkle, because I sure as fuck aren’t going to read other game to get a read on them.



The vote though, is towny. No one scum reads MM (I think) except for Gikkle. Could be scum just setting up for another day though.

I've downgraded my read on Gikkle from a strong town read to just barely town. There's not enough conviction in the posts. Before the reread, I was going to say that Gikkle is a more cool headed version of Guillo, but the play styles here are pretty different. If someone told me there's one scum between Gikkle and Guillo, I'd pick Gikkle.

God, I never do ISOs but they're sometimes extremely helpful. Probably because it's so fucking difficult to get to the correct page. Thanks to a based host for including that in OP!!!!

there was a game maybe 3months ago
where there was a anonymous chat, similar to what there is rn
annnd LAg and Pqrn where in it
and LAg was scum(now i remember!)
and lag succesfully made PQR think that shes LAg
she stole my identity, my personality, or atleast the most visible things and
succesfully, very succesfully
and i wasnt able to prove the opposite. i was misslynched
i had a conftown marrier who was lynched with intention
even my marriage partner stopped believing me
it was a horrible first game for me xD

[Gikkle]

Hm. Noted.

Genuine question Guillo, what do you think is going on in scum chat right now?