No, on the contrary, I'm saying you have a large scum range! You can be proud. You can also die
The last Ladder game, which we won together as bandits.
Nice OMGUS. This is not even "Loldebite is scum", this is just "Loldebite suspects me".
Renegade was clearly going for the policy lynch (which is consistent with how he plays the game and how he views how things should be done, he's a "by the book" guy). His ISO is consistent when it comes to that. I would like to know why he thinks PQ was not a good lynch, though. @Renegade
Here's the ISO of PQR in his most recent scum game: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/searc...archid=3854851
Notice all the LAMIST, the spam, the forced "town point of view" everything is built around. Then notice how he does basically the same in this game. The OMGUS at Loldebite, the "you [me, MM] are wrong like Guillo was", etc., those are all matching his scum meta specifically, in addition to being objectively scummy or at the very least unproductive.
It's NAI from me, really: you saw me do it as scum in that game in order to survive; now I am doing it as town in this game in order to survive and for town to win. Just because I would act as town when I am scum does not mean that I am scum, duh!
It sucks that Frinckles was town, but it will suck even more if we lynch another. At least I stuck my vote on Frinckles and left it there, no dancing around. In my view, I did not see a better option to lynch based on my read of Frinckles being fluffy, inactive, and not contributing as he usually does. Maybe he was busy, maybe he didnt wanna bother because he got a vanilla role, we won't know until we ask after the game. And I had an extra thing I cannot say per host, but it obviously turned out to be a red herring.
I was here near EoD1 and when I saw Frinckles post "i was Voter" i was almost tempted to quickly switch vote to Lag, but a) i was out of time, b) just because he said he was Voter doesnt mean he was town, although my initial gut feeling was that it was a final cry for help. I wish he had spoken up sooner, and not in the last minute. But I dont know that I would have revised my vote anyway, as my feelings in that moment were emotions, and I don't like for emotions to affect my mafia game.
If you are town, then I simply ask you to please prepare a plan for when I flip town as we will have to nail a mafia D3 to gain upper hand (if not already lost to a possible Scum~Rene with Attorney by his side). Or at least formulate what you believe to be an "unlikely" world in which I am town, so if PQR is town then who are the scum? Make a backup plan (and I know that you will need it - if town - but you dont yet know that - if you are town).
Of course, it is easy for me to spot a lie (or at least false information, not sure if intentional lie or an omission/ignorance/tunneling). I remember my actions quite well. If Loldebite wants to call me out on something and use it as an argument (as he did), then he should at least go fact-check his stuff before posting inaccurate information.
So who will be the 2nd person to spot the false information (technically there is more than one, but there is the most obvious one)? I prefer for Loldebite to go fish it out himself, since he started it.
I want to agree, his tone is super good lol and I enjoy reading his posts... but his actions are scummy, which makes him Schrödinger's scum.
This post, directed to PQ, makes me think he's town if PQ is scum, though. I have yet to see a single scum say out of the blue that what a scummate just said is "complete trash" in a one-liner like this. It's not distancing, it's literally just "your point is shit", and I love it lol. I think the PQ flip will enlighten us here.
Also, where is Pao Zedong? The world is burning and he's just watching with a big smile on his face.
Here I go with another mastermind idea. What are the odds that Host would place Mayor(Rene) and Attorney(unclaimed) on the same faction (scum OR town)? It seems like it would be too OP to place both on the Mafia side (unless for balance purposes, it is likely 9 v 3 setup after all). With both on town side, it also seems OP given the numbers 9 v 3. Therefore, it seems somewhat likely that Mayor and States Attorney are split! If we make this assumption (yeah, I know, I assume a lot), then the person who is town in one of those roles might be able to deduce that it is likely that the opposing vote-manipulating role is scum. So if State Attorney is town, then Rene may have to go. If Mayor/Rene is town, then we are stuck waiting to hear from Attorney. And if we don't hear from Attorney (as requested by several of us already), then that builds suspicion that Attorney is actually scum. Good luck finding him/her, if they dont claim though.
I am doing the analysis now and will adapt it if you surprisingly flip town. Asking for more than this is unrealistic and pointless, since this plan is sufficient to cover the possibility of town!you.
Indeed, you didn't dance around with your vote from what I remember, but that isn't a town tell (especially considering how there wasn't a valid reason to vote Frinckles...). You seem to be reacting to what happens in the game, you aren't leading. Therefore, it would make sense for scum to divert the lynch unto Frinckles for your sake. The fact you were not a public factor of change does not make you innocent.
Also, to stop the unproductive back and forth: what are your reads, PQ? Constantly defending yourself, while understandable, is not pro-town in the end, since there's only so much you can do to convince us that way when it just didn't work. If you are town for real, giving reads and forcing interactions between you and others is good, and if you are scum, creating interactions is good for us townies
Man, I am getting tired of this. Every time I make a post, I am masterminding and doing something, wild theories etc, right? Look in the mirror, you are casting shade on me by interpreting many of my posts and here you are calling it shading.
I will be pissed if im wasting my time convincing a scumbag here, but I said D1 that Guillo was more likely scum than you, and since Guillo wasn't and you are open-voting me here, it is hard to picture you as mafia. So here I go again convincing someone who may be more stubborn than me.
If you want to know why I posted that (but you dont, I must be scum, right?), I was thinking of reasons for why Guillo was targeted (and yea i know people didnt like my framing angles and my mastermind ideas - i try to think of all possibilities, however likely or not, that's just how my brain works). I remembered someone talking about cockiness and such but didnt have recollection of who it was, so I did the searching and it was primarily with SB16. It is not out of the question that a mafia person (or maybe even charismatic "leader" - whoever initiates ideas over there) would want to remove the person they found cocky (btw i found Guillo cocky myself, but I don't get my panties in a bunch). Anyways my search popped SB16 and also oliver, but I didnt want to quote oliver's post as it was a bit unprofessional. Of the two, I stuck to SB16 first purely on Guillo's words that if he flips town, then SB16 is next. Doesnt mean much, but something I want to keep in mind over next 42 hours. With that said, oliver is also in this bucket of "distate of Guillo" just now as lengthy as the interaction was with SB16.
That was my first and only scum game lol, how statistically significant is that? And it was an outlier game because I got boxed early on with our glorious plan to not attack at night, and I got RBed and painted in a corner. You and Gikkle are pissing me off at the moment, as if I am a good player. Speaking of which, I am in a vulnerable position to pocketing right now, because there's much willingness to get me hung today, so whenever I see people like Gikkle saying im a good player etc it's sending really bad vibes to me.
OMGUS is simple, I dont like people misstating facts. The vote on Lolde is not too serious (yet), I want him to go fix his shit. I have a theory for how this might be an innocent mistake, but who knows.
Yes, this is correct. I was pretending to be town in that game, so I did and said what I would do as town. And in this game, I am doing the same things because I am town. If my range is so wide like you said, then how is this alignment indicative? Don't answer the question, I really just need you to go make your backup plan, as your mind is clearly made up. I am town, and you will be surprised, apparently.
Start working on that alternate theory (the right theory, btw). I am town.
TBH oliver has been all over the place, and you think my posts are fluff? jeez. I am undecided on oliver at the moment, let's say he might also have a wide range. He comes across as playing with a care-free attitude here. That's what one would do as either town or scum.
I never said you were unreadable and exactly the same as town and scum lol, just that top-townreading a scummate was not beyond you. Don't twist my words.
Games are numbered to be easier to find. It's an old practice that was abandoned at some point, and that picked back up later. This game is 336, for example.
Did you just learn a new mafia term to use as a buzzword lol? "Oh but he has a big scum range, so nothing he does is AI"... you don't even know Oliver much, you've never even seen him play scum xD. You can't just conclude out of nowhere that he has a big scum range and that his attitude is NAI due to that.
I am going to leave now, since it's not really productive to keep going; we're only going to drown people in the back and forth.
I anticipated someone asking that question since I am somehow in the crosshairs lol. I am not prepared to give any refreshed reads at this time, it is premature for me. I did not do any thinking during N1 as I was waiting to see if i live or die. After my failure with Frinckles, I am doubting myself. It doesn't help that anyone who expresses me as town-lean is an auto-pocket of myself. I feel like there are townies wanting to (mis)lynch me and then the pocketers are either townies who realize I am not scummy or they are pocketing me and keeping me alive because I am in a bad spot. I am not happy with where we are here at all, because Guillo went for me hard and it turned out to be a TvT. Frinckles also turned out to be T. So it is clear that we/town fumbled big time. I said it many times before, D1 is a crapshoot. Ya'll pros claim you have these amazing scumreads etc, and look where it went! Even Guillo, the master himself, failed hard. Even if Frinckles didnt get lynched, it was gonna be me (another town) or Lag (who knows if they are town or not, this slot needs evaluation and currently has me pocketed). I am not going to make any rash decision today, although it's kinda looking like my decision may not matter lol.
I do like your last sentence there, reinforces my earlier belief that you couldnt be mafia casting that early vote on me out of nowhere. You stick to your guns and you voted me again today. But could be WIFOM so, you know, doubts and possibilities exist.
I hate to admit it, but I feel like a garbage player here. I think we all know I am more into mechanics stuff, math, science, probabilities, combinations, permutations. I knew at the signup this game would be more about reads, which is what I suck at. So I signed up because I need to improve on that aspect. Still honing that one.
This post here is complete bullshit btw, you think wrong @Gikkle
So one thing I learned from this game is to think about what I say and how I say it as town. I only had one scum game, rest were all town. So I just have this feeling that as town, I just speak my mind and whatever I want to say, because there is no such thing as TMI or scumslip or whatever. But apparently my town meta is scummy, so I need to work on being a better town.
Damn, seems only MM and I have no lives this evening.
@Loldebite , please correct false information in your post about me. I demand it.
@Marshmallow Marshall
More wizardry from me. Mafia silent while TvT debate. The way in which you strongly pushed me is either genius mafia or town. I will go with the latter for now (which unfortunately doesnt help your situation, since I would say this as scum). But please please start making alternate arrangements (in addition to funeral arrangements for me).
If i remember correctly @Loldebite may be in Germany, so the absence is excused here at 4 AM.
@NotPaopan where you at, chief? I am getting worn out from my vagina monologues
YOU ALL... DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE SHARK KING !
Guillo is lying. Now, you all believe I am the real medic? *Phew* I thought I was going to get killed tonight. It's so annoying that I submitted my action to heal Guillo, but I self-healed instead. Oh well, I'm gonna self heal all game. Absolutely insane. Anyway, we should better hunt down Voss before he kills more towny.
Right now, I'm pretty much confident that the State Attorney, Governor, and Congress are the wolves.
Finally, somebody noticed Voss scummy vibes. I'm am limiting myself from tunnelling anyone. But seriously... seriously... Voss is likely our scum
This is my pool right now.
Gikkle
Marshmallow Marshall
Stealthbomber16
Renegade
oliverz144
PQRnHack
Loldebite
Lag
-vote Voss
was multitasking. mb
To be honest, not just Voss is likely the wolf. His lynch would also give us lots of info.
@Lag can you spill the beans on the reasons for your absence in the 2nd half of D1?
@Renegade nice try hiding bud
Damn I hate using online status as info, as it has fired back in the past, but Renegade just trolled the thread and left with no posting. Feels bad man.
Scumbags!
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O wait those 3 are probably Frinckles, Guillo, and myself. Hey Guillo if you want SB16 lynched, send me a morse code via your threat browsing
JK dont do that.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
And no, i aint going to do the homework for everyone else. Even you, SB16, could go and find the lie. The fact that you are pressuring me instead of pointing out that Loldebite has a fallacy is BULLSHIT. I am already in a corner defending myself as I can, and you want to pressure me to provide an excuse for my accuser? fuck off!
by SB16 i meant Voss, i associated Teal color with SB16. Please dont start with another accusation that I mixed up players.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
I dont like your lazy attitude @Voss , go find it. Beat Loldebite to it and earn some fucking townpts.
I dont like your lazy attitude @Voss , go find it. Beat Loldebite to it and earn some fucking townpts.
this is sad, lolde made more than one false statement (NAI from my view btw, as I am a genius mathematician) and basically you look the other way and probs continue with lynch PQR agenda. Awesome!
1+1=2