I am not saying you usually are a boring machine-like person/player xD. Your tone did strike me as different when I first read your posts, though (even before I read oliver's), and you're not the epitome of townness as of right now, whereas you usually are pretty much that. I can't say I have a solid read on you, but I certainly have my eye on you. And to be honest, the only thing you can do to change my mind is to be towny, not to debate whether or not your tone feels different - plus, that's unproductive. I voiced my support to Oliver's suspicion on you earlier for three reasons:
- I agreed with him that there could be something fishy about you, so why not say it
- We mindmelded in our interpretation of your very early style, which is a point in favor of town!Oliver and gives more credibility to what honestly was just a hunch
- It was an extremely spicy stance to start the game with: a read with that kind of strenght and confidence on the very first page is relatively rare. Also, I don't get to attack you every D1 start, so I might as well take my chance when it comes xD.
I wanna see more from Oliverz. Don't quite see why both Lag and Voss are TRing him. Sure, he did a really early read that kicked off discussion, but it felt a bit forced to me considering it was only 12 posts in the game and based off a flimsy reason. It'd make more sense for T!oliverz, if he thought he understood what T!Lag would do, to wait a little while longer to actually be sure Lag wouldn't say anything about optimal mech play. Instead he attacked Lag immediately, making it so Lag could very easily wiggle out of it if the meta WERE in fact true, and then his future posts kind of drop the topic (only briefly mentioning it in his most recent post) and focus more on mech.
Whole thing feels strange and I'm not quite sure if Oliverz genuinely believed what he was saying (that Lag not immediately making a grand plan within the first 12 posts of the game is scummy for them, despite the fact Lag did not do this in the last game he played with them) or if he was doing it just to look like he was coming into the game swinging.
I also find the 2 people immediately TRing him (voss and lag) and the 1 person actually joining his push (mm) rather strange. Voss has a weird, semi robotic tone which pinged me early on, so out of those 3 I find him the weirdest.
Hypothesis: Oliverz is a nubcake and was genuine. Do you have evidence that supports rejecting this hypothesis?
The better question: Why is confirmed nutcake (confirmed not a nub) MM saying "I voiced my support to Oliver's suspicion on you earlier for three reasons..."
Last question: why am I into cakes today?
Guillo is probably town if I were to make a read on him rn
Oh, I am an unconditional RVS lover. But when you can get straight to the part where people express reasonings and interact with eachother, it's probably even better.
and yes, let the debate beginnnn /s
Why in the world would we discuss the medic claim. It's WIFOM. Leave it be. I like that Stealth said pretty much that at some point in reaction to this post, too.
PQ is painting Frinckles as scummy for "arriving late". Speaking of that, it's inconsistent with his "fine for now" for Loldebite, strictly speaking, so the word painting seems appropriate enough. He's giving a free pass to Voss because "he has quality posts and good thoughts", which means... not much; plus, Voss hasn't said anything that stands out as towny, that's just his style. I suspect he's going with the "easy read on a complicated slot to push" strategy on Voss. And then, I'm scum for "agreeing with you on more than one point"... which is a little ridiculous. Guillo also brought up a good point about PQ townreading Voss, who also is into agreeing with what other people say, but scumreading me for the same reason.
I would say that's pretty rich for the first half of D1.
The last lines are signature-worthy xD.
Screw that, send her to the Guillotina!
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I doubt he was genuine. If he's town, I find it more likely he intentionally exaggerated simply to kick off discussion. For him to be genuine he would have to have somehow convinced himself that Lag's town meta is to post a grand plan within their first three posts, despite the fact that this did not even happen in the one game he played with T!Lag.
I will let you answer this question yourself. Why do you ask that? What could your motive possibly be for asking this question outside of testing the waters for a lynch? If you are scum, Frinckles is clear.
See my last post.
xD
There is a tone change in Lag. Pointing it out, starting the discussion strongly, making people take a stance about his read, all of this is towny and does not seem to be accidental. Oliver gets a townread from me for this; he's doing what a townie should do at gamestart, and I tend to start my town games in a similar manner whenever it's possible and I feel like getting into action quickly.
Of course he said it in an exaggerated manner. It's an early D1 spark, it has to be like this; my agreement is with a nuanced stance, not with the literal "lag is supposed to solve the game on the first page" or something like that lol. Would like Oliver to speak for himself on that matter, too.
by suck i mean such, but we can do the sucking part after the game. excuse my typo.
Why are you speaking like you know exactly what he meant, despite the fact that all he said was "These 3 posts completely contradict the usual neutral-smart town game play" and "Town lag would already come up with a plan"?
Yes, I would also like to see Oliverz speak more about this - he ignored the last time I addressed him, not sure if he just missed it though.
Love you too. My question still holds, and you won't evade it through insults (which is a very low blow, by the way, you should know better than this).
Not too sure what you're talking about, but if the host told you you can't talk about it, it doesn't exist.
Tell the truth and you'll lie good.
I don't think that's super obvious, unless you're completely dismissing beforehand the possibility of S!Oliverz? If you're trying to give Oliverz the benefit of the doubt and argue it's possible he wasn't being super literal/exaggerating a bit in his accusation, that's one thing, but arguing that's OBVIOUSLY what Oliverz was going for is a bit strange when there is always the possibility he's just straight up scum going for early aggression.
@PQRnHack this question, i.e. is frinckles a good lynch today (and why), + why you asked that to Gikkle, is quite comprehensible and is obviously directed to you. You're acting in bad faith lol.
I have no idea what this means. I never talk about my FM games with anyone outside of thread especially not people who are playing regardless of whether they're dead.
Except one time I told Oberon "My bad" immediately after lynching him and he flipped town. But that's it, really.
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If Oliver was a brand new player who tends to be overly aggressive without thinking about the consequences of his posts, then you would be right. But here, it seems safe to rule out that possibility, considering it makes no sense as scum and is obviously not going to result in Lag getting lynched; he'd have to be a lunatic to believe he could actually get Lag lynched that way.
Looking forward to more critical analysis from Oliver to bust this game open.
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Knowledge does not always involve talking.
Means killing or chopping someone out of fear of his quality as a player.
The reasons you guys are giving is "oh so so player is so good that I could easily get snowed if he is scum so let's kill them before they snow us, in case they are a wolf", which is a poor excuse to find to push someone.
If Lag is chopped in this game is because we find their behavior scummy or he slips, or he commits to misyeets every day and we have to resolve them to clear PoE, not because he could be this mighty player that makes your legs tremble in fear.
Tell the truth and you'll lie good.
Tell the truth and you'll lie good.