Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
I think I've made this clear several times now.
SB and I aren't able to watch the thread all the time or every day. In some cases we might not be able to share up-to-date thoughts with each other until a later point just because we've been busy with IRL obligations or otherwise.
It's the reason why we're a duo in a single slot for this game. Having designated day phases that we do helps with our scheduling of some stuff to ensure we're able to pay full attention to the game around those times. Anything beyond that isn't guaranteed though SB and I have been discussing a bit so far this phase.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
-vote Mizery
If @Mizery doesn't contribute more then I'm completely fine with this vote
otherwise I'm slightly cautious of bias resulting from not knowing a player and just yeeting them due in part to that
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
54 Light
47 Martin
44 Lag
14 Gikkle
12 Wrath
12 Varcron
8 Mizery
6 SJ
6 MM
quite the interesting post-count distribution (as of #205)
roughly 75% of the posts by the top 3 posters
and the jump from 4th to 3rd top poster is around a tripling in post-count
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Mizery (3 [L-3]):
Light_Yagami, MartinGG99, Lag
Light_Yagami (1 [L-5]):
Gikkle
MartinGG99 (2 [L-4]):
SuperJack, Mizery
Gikkle (1 [L-5]):
Marshmallow Marshall
since things have changed and maybe someone in the future will thank me for this
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
The first part is pretty standard for Light, the second part seems true to me, both counting meta in and disregarding it. And I think this thought process makes sense coming from you. And...
...this post reminds me a lot of your town play in last game we played (once upon a town in the west): you are being a lot into mechanical stuff and defending your ideas while tying yourself and your character to your ideas. You're probably town, although that read obviously isn't super strong.
Mmm, I could definetly see the usefulness of a Martin lynch today, considering he's a hot topic and considering he's acting strangely in general. Decent-ish odds of flipping scum + associations to make.
Your last paragraph looks like a conspiracy theory to me, though. It would involve Martin being an evil mastermind planning every single detail from his play to manipulate my read on you and him. I think you may be letting your scumread on him affect your judgment :P.
Also, I annouonce my intent to give Lag my token tonight.
No lynch = no info. No-lynching D1 is an horrible, horrible idea in pretty much any balanced setup (like any setup that can't be solved just through sitting there and alignment-copping people forever). Other than that, skipping is forbidden, so it's literally impossible. I'm not saying your suggestion is scummy though, just that it's anti-town. Just try to see the intent behind people's behavior and go from there.
Hey, what? I won't pretend I have been revolutionary, but I am far from having been a meaningless potato lol, whereas Loldebite literally never posted... Also, Gikkle has been actively solving (see for example his inquiry about Lag's read on him, or his stance on Light), while Martin... not really? I didn't see many applied reads from him. This list is very wrong. Might not be scummy, though.
Considering Mizery's scum game in the rock game, I can confirm this. He definetly hasn't been very useful. Also, I know he's not the one who did that in that game but "one of martin and marshall is scum" is soooo reminiscent of Seanzie's "Isn't it obvious? Just look at their posts." lol.
-vote Mizery
I could also maybe get behind a Martin lynch, but I can't make my mind on him so it may be a little early to say that; tbh, I'm more saying that because it would give info than because I have strong faith in it.
Also, I've just finished reading Varcron's posts and my verdict is a resounding meh. Perhaps it's because I'm a little tired, but none of his posts seem to contain substance. They're Light refutations, some mechanical stuff, pretty pointless questions like the one about Lag not being able to talk to SB16... None of that is inherently scummy, but the fact it's overwhelmingly present in Varcron's posts is getting scummy. I could see him being scum here.
*insert Varcron D1 lynch jokes here*
So Three People Havent Voted Yet.. And Thats Fine Because They Are Bitches That Cant Pull Their Weight..
@Loldebite @WrathCyber @Varcron
I Want Your Thoughts.. I Want You Engaged In This Game.. If You Cant Hang.. Well Everyone Can Hang From A Noose I Guess.. But If Your Balls Have Shriveled Up.. Like I Suspect.. You Need To Do Something..
Also Mm Why Did You Personally Choose To Vote Mizery...
Has This Love Taken Its Toll On You?
Do You Miss Oberon AKA Magoroth?
Yall Did Him Shady.. Just One Opinion..
Ooops This Is The Wrong Spot For This.. Im A Little High...
Lag, Light, Marshall
Scratch the light
Lag, MM, someone else
that's town
idr who someone else is but i remember there was someone else
lmfao light is pretty eek and I thought he was pretty obvtown in the game I spec'd tbh.
one specific post i liked from light though was #116, and funnily enough a post i liked from MM was #115 (specifically just the gif thingy video thingy at the bottom, not the words)
I just don't like that I'm not townreading light as much as I feel like I should except for that one post
One word of warning.
In the Anime World game that I played with him I townread him day 1, and he shortly after scumread me for some "tonal stuff" - and that was basically the extent of our interactions. He was wolf and I was town - so Gikkle scumreading someone for townreading him when he's wolf is definitely within his wolf meta range.
(It was a 30 player closed role madness game with 2000 posts on day 1, so good luck going through the game, but here it is: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...-THE-WINNER%29 )
So EoD times are at a really rough time for anyone that's not in Europe...
@Mizery can you post some more?
EoD is in 5 hours and right now you're kind of on the fast track to being chopped today
With Four Hours Left I Still Have No Idea Who We Are Giving Our Token 2..
Seems like there isn't going to be much in terms of claimed token gifts.
At least not pre-night.
I'm giving mine to Lag in the interest of not giving my token to someone (where, given the current claims so far) who would end up receiving only 1 token if I gave them my token.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Id Only Ever Get 1 Token.. Per Token Given To This Slot..
Overall this game has been pretty light when it comes to posts, so my confidence in these reads is a bit lower than I'd like but going to put some of my thoughts on every slot here.
Gikkle
I liked his mech spec and it's the kind of play that I expect to see from a town Gikkle, but then he completely fell off, as the game transitioned away from just mech spec, he's yet to really bring any reads. MM town read him for his post that was critical of me townreading him. But in the anime world game Gikkle was wolf and I was town, I townread him, he was critical/scum read me for it - and that was the extent of all of our interactions in that game as he replaced out. The feel of my interactions with him this game feel a bit hauntingly similar to my interactions with Gikkle in that game.
Gikkle also has a self-proclaimed meta of wanting to live in the PoE, even as town. Presumably to dodge night kills? But that's a very suboptimal playstyle in a game like this where there's simultaneously no night kill, and projecting town is way more important than usual. I've noticed his day 1's are also fairly tame.
My conclusion from that meta analysis?
Meh.
Solidly middle of the pack
Loldebite
The first three letters of his username summarizes this slot
MM
MM certainly feels to be town rather than wolf here - I have a pretty good record of correctly reading MM, and this feels much more like his town play. That said I have relatively limited experience with him as wolf, once where I was the host, and once where he subbed in to a wolf slot in rather unusual circumstances. MM is going to be my token target if Mizery flips town
Light/PQ
I have no idea what Light's wolf meta looks like. The only game I've seen of him as wolf was an anonymous KRC game, in that game he seriously floundered as wolf, and he doesn't seem to be doing that here, I think he has more of his town confidence, even if his arguments and pushes make very little sense. Town lean.
Wrath
Wrath's mech spec was pretty bad, he literally opened with the "any leads?" meme.
I'm a little bit confused as to why he's been so absent this game since this was a setup he's been hyped to play for a long time now, but his play matches the way he's played as town in recent games, so I'm inclined to town lean him off of that
Mizery
I have concerns of this just being DADV with Mizery here, but with how many low posting slots are in this game + the weird EoD time, maybe it would be DADV for anyone other than like the three high posters.
Mizery is definitely within her wolf range but possibly also within her town range. Either way there hasn't been much of anything from the slot, and with the number of slots that I'm feeling more townie towards just puts her in the wolf bucket by PoE
Martin/SB16
Martin's probably town... like his cagey answers at the start of the day were bad, but he was also cagey in the deck mafia game I played with him.
His mech spec reservations were bad, but he's come around and honestly his objections seem in character
But the biggest thing is perhaps that he said he wanted to give me a token - which unlike MM stating he'll give me a token - he stated it at a point in the thread where there would really be minimal chance of reciprocation. Maybe some people that have played with high-posting wolf Martin more would know better, but it feels like a very weird position to try to pocket me.
Maybe it's an attempt to placate me? Stop a CFD onto his slot off of Mizery? I'm not seeing it though, overall it feels more like a townie POV action, so I'm putting Martin in my town bucket - if Mizery flips wolf I'll given Martin my token too.
Varcron/Ozy
This slot has done mostly only NAI things so far. The fact that so many slots are projecting town more than Varcron's slot is not a good look either and lands Varcron in my PoE
SuperJack
Moving SuperJack down from my town list. Hasn't done much and other slots have surpassed him in towniness
I Recommend We Not Give Tokens To Lag Just Encase.. Lag Is Deep Wolf Promoting A Town Optimal Strategy In Order To Convince Town.. That They Are Town..
From my perspective, it seems like you're desperately making sound in order to be cleared. Anyone else getting the same vibes?
Well, we've got 1 hour left. I'm tossing my vote here on the Mizery train-vote Mizery
considering how much of my & and others' town reads are on the train as well (Lag, Martin, Light), there doesn't seem to be anything indicating a good poe otherwise.
Lag is fairly solid town for me at this point in time. Their token proposal + the discussions they've been having seem town motivated rather than just for appearance, and their reads seem to be developing fairly naturally(discussion with martin transforms into TR on him, etc), so I think they are town. Also possible Lag's trying to powerwolf, but I don't really get that impression right now.
Martin I think has had some interesting posts this game. He posts like I do when I'm deep in an argument as town, and I actually feel like his talk about not knowing scum didn't have a factional kill is probably town indicative. Sure, it could be faked, but if it was, it was a rather pathetic attempt at a fake slip anyways since it was very easily ignorable, so it seems more to me like genuine confusion. Aside from that, I think him showing hesitation about saying who he gave a token to the night before is townie because of how he presented it. I don't think S!Martin goes out of his way to bring attention to himself like that when it doesn't actually benefit him(I explained this before, doesn't matter if you say today or tomorrow, as long as you say it) to do so. I could still see him being scum though, so he's a light town read for me.
Don't really remember anyone else other than Light. Light is probably a very light town read at this stage bc of his arguments against Light that felt like they came from a genuine place.
Aside from these three, no one sticks out to me. Others have posted, like MM, but they just don't really leave a big impression on me.
-vote Varcron
I remember him posting but the only thing actually memorable was his push on Martin which didn't really seem to go anywhere
Not really a strong read, but the slot feels more performative than actually helpful so far.
What has mizery done to get 4 votes
I remember literally nothing from them
I feel like this post misses the point that we're coordinating tokens onto people to promote accountability as well as collective town effort
if you're going to say someone should not receive tokens then you should suggest an alternative
I know you've said yourself in the past that it should be you but it slightly irks me you haven't suggested anything else (in order to try and make Lag not receive tokens) or haven't repeated that sentiment in this post
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
I'll give a token to Light, since he seems to want some so bad.
Problem Is I Can Only Trust My Self... Completely... Granted I Do Have Town Leans Here And There.. But As A Matter Of Fact... I Only Truly Know That Im Town.. I Have To Look At Everyone Other Then Me Objectively.. Do What You Will... But Again Only Person I Can Completely Trust Is My Slot..
So it's 100% a meta read?
@Lag @Marshmallow Marshall
Can y'all describe Mizery's town meta, wolf meta, and how their current play matches/differs from them?
-vote Varcron
I can get behind this switch
Hm, if Mizery is wolf, what is the wolf team doing?
5 voters on Mizery is one away from a hammer.
Either:
- The wolves are just cutting their losses and bussing Mizery - which seems unlikely unless Mizery + Martin are teammates
- The wolves are just some silly team like Mizery + Loldebite/SJ + 1
- Mizery is just town