Not to mention you are now trying to get Luona to vote Pao because... there's exactly one team possibility on which Pao could be scum from a Luona POV. (You don't even think MM is scum...)
You're not explaining why that team is likely for Luona to vote Pao, but asking her to vote, just because it exists. Guess I should vote you because there's 120 possible scumteam combinations you could be on, hmm?
Luona's opener as a relatively new player (at least to this site from what I have inferred) and immediately buddying with you for several days actually makes more sense if you two are paired since scum had no n0 or day chat.
Isn’t day over? Also, there is no way Paopan makes it to D4.
I didn't know scum had no day chat day 1 (though there's precedent; iirc scum had no day 1 chat in previous SC2 mafia games I played in)
This may be a game changer if true lol
This would explain why scum couldn't get a lynch off day 1. They couldn't coordinate their votes.
Even if this isn't a scum slip, Jmw thinks Me/Paopan is definitely S/T despite the fact scum couldn't coordinate day 1.
-vote Jmw
It's not that hard to vote a town member.
Doesn't matter if there's coordination or not, anyone who hasn't locked themselves out of voting for an option can vote it. Scum would hammer a townie if they had the chance to do so.
And I've already explained why all the possible teams you've outlined in that scenario are impossible at worst to very unlikely at best. You and Paopan are never T/T.
Coordination means a lot more than voting. It's who is the best target to lynch based off role; who you want to pocket, etc. It's a lot more likely for scum to get trapped on separate wagons without day chat. The fact you've barely ever brought it up despite apparently knowing for a while is very very strange. I didn't know this; I assumed scum had day chat d1.
Even if you did get this information from legitimate means, the fact of the matter is a lot of your solving was not based on this. This is a VERY major thing. I do not recall seeing you talk about it before this.
great now Gikkle's pushing me because I was more observant than he was
welp I'm not about to search my own ISO for something I've said, surely someone has the quote
we lynch either Gikkle or Pao here, and if our lynch flips green I shoot the other one.
Man so many slips, which one lied cuz mafia?
Where you got the information is not as bad as the fact it changes the entire perception of the day 1 wagon and everything surrounding it, and yet you've only mentioned it once, maybe twice? And I definitely don't remember it so it was probably some foot note you glossed over or something.
I mean Jmw think about this
Scum not being able to communicate for all of day 1 is a MAJOR thing. Like, in terms of vote count analysis? I'd expect T!Jmw to bring this up MANY times. The fact you didn't shows a lot about your intentions.
WE FUCKED UP! Should have lynched you D1 or D2 but my townies are too indecisive!!!! It's over bud.
Bandit
You are aligned with the bandits. You win when all town aligned members are dead and at least one bandit aligned member is still alive.
You know the identities of all other bandit-aligned players, and may chat with them each night.
-vote Gikkle
@Mike when you’ve calmed down so I can actually talk to you like a human being lmk
Does it really?
Are my intentions to hide my team's discoordination during the first day by not saying it enough times?
(This argument is a fallacy, but) if I bring it up once or twice, is that considered scummy? How many times is MANY to where you'd find it townie?
Should I have put lag's answer in my signature just to make sure everyone can see it?
I'm not trying that hard this game my guy.
(And also, how have you not seen this implied in the OOO or asked about it yourself, as one who is known to ask mods a ton of questions and read into the setup heavily as both alignments?)
This indeed changes everything.
interesting, jmw
Praise the Lord!
And yes i wanted to ask lag, but somehow didnt lol.
Praise the Lord!
I suspect mafia are Gikkle and one or more of Loldebite MM Oliver. I strike off Oberon here because he voted up Gikkle N1, although nothing is certain. Loledebite and MM makes sense with the weird RB and failure to heal Frinckles, plus my framing. BUT Loldebite voted Gikkle D2 so less likely than one of MM, Oliver. BOOM!
I’m very confused, where is the slip? It’s typical for Mafia not to share a night chat on n0/d1.
i think i remember jmw saying it before
I don’t understand. The slip was made by jmw, but PHack is voting Gikkle? What?
It shows you don't have the intention to solve the wagons. I have literally never seen you mention it. Apparently, according to the thing PQR quoted, it's EVERY day! That's huge! I would have thought, at the very least, that you bring it to attention at multiple points such that it becomes public knowledge. You don't even need to bring it up; even you talking about the wagons in context of this would have been enough. But none of your posts have ever given me that impression. It shows a lack of townie intention. I'm convinced you're scum now lol.
I don't have an active role, and this is an open setup. I don't need to ask questions nor do I need to know the OOO. Only thing I read were the roles I didn't already have a grasp on.
Usually if a N0 chat exists, host gives like 24 hours or some time for it to occur. So it is unlikely.
If N0 exists, it also sometimes comes with ability usage. So Yeah I would say N0 is not likely, but we can confirm with host.
Let’s not hammer early please. This is an interesting development. Need time to think about it
I didnt knew it too lol, and never saw jmw saying it.
i always thougth the chat is always open.
is it open rn too?
Praise the Lord!