If I turn my brain off my gut tells me the team is MM/Gikkle/Luona/Oliver.
When I turn my brain back on, no N1 kill makes this team impossible. They could easily get a kill anywhere.
I still don't believe any combo of 4 bandits ever no kills. So either PQ is scum and blocked, or they hit Frinckles/Oliver and no kill.
In former world, PQ is scum, so Loldebite is town almost always. In the latter world, MM is always town.
If I believe MM is scum, then I am forced to accept that scum didn't hit Frinckles or Oliver N1, and that PQ is also scum (because again I think no mafia team ever no kills n1 like this, so the only way for mafia to not get a kill is if the killer was roleblocked). So in MM scum world, PQ is scum, Loldebite is town, Auwt is town (Auwt never has PQ perform the kill here, if Auwt wouldn't attack a target for fear of lookout why would PQ attack that target in fear of lookout? PQ is just more vulnerable to being blocked...)
So my Gikkle scumteam theory decreases
Next theory, what if I flip my own argument and Gikkle is very townie (since as much as I try, I can never see T/T Gikkle and Pao, as it relies on exactly ONE pairing where scum Oberon doesn't execute the town mayor who literally asked him to do it)?
Then Pao is scum, and who does he fit on a team with..?
PaoPan/Luona/PQrnHack/??? team???
In a world where Pao flips scum here, and Gikkle is town, Oliverz is either white knighting Gikkle or is town and has a very good read
But do I think Oliverz busses and white knights at the same time when they are not in a good deepwolf position? No.
So in Gikkle town world, Pao is scum, Oliverz is town. Then Auwt looks a lot worse for being on Pao D1, but switching off onto Gikkle when I got a Pao train started (I actually don't remember if I started the real train but let's say I did).
If Pao and Auwt are teamed, then PQRnhack could be scum, but didn't do the nightkill. So Pao/Auwt scum in Gikkle town world, and scum hit Frinckles or MM on D1 (either way, MM town here). If they hit Oliver, then Luona isn't scum.
None of this makes any sense let's just flip both Gikkle and Pao and solve from there....
I don't understand this argument
Lookout is not follower. If they are worried about a lookout watching a target, why would they send a different member to do the kill instead of, switching to a target they're not worried about LO watching.
Auwt/PQ is never teamed. Auwt would always perform the kill here until found. Who the lookout finds doesn't really matter as your goal is to not hit the lookout watch anyway. The only reason to send PQ in instead of Auwt is a suicide 1 for 1 because they need a kill on a slot that LO is likely watching. And that's not a scenario that happens N1 especially with a no lynch all roles alive.
Luona/Paopan/Auwt/PQR
Luona/Paopan/Oberon/Auwt
MM/Paopan/Auwt/Luona/
MM/Paopan/Auwt/Oberon
MM/Paopan/Auwt/PQR
MM/Paopan/PQR/Oberon
MM/Paopan/Luona/Oberon
MM/Paopan/Luona/PQR
If you're town and Paopan is scum, scum team is just some combination of Paopan/MM/Oberon/PQR/Auwt. Jmw is removed because I don't believe Jmw can be scum with Paopan. It's not impossible for Oberon/Paopan S/S, but it's unlikely so those options are the least likely imo.
Any team with MM on it but not PQR on it is literally impossible.
Night one, MM is scum, he tells his buddies he's protecting Frinckles. Scum never hit him (so oliver being attacked via swap is impossible) and never hit his target to make him look better (same as holstering, dumb and not a possibility I'm considering), so the only explanation for no scum nightkill is PQ getting blocked. There's no other possibility that makes sense.
So if you're going to put a team with MM on it, PQR should be on it as well.
(That said, don't fall for a gap in logic, you can have a team with PQR on it without MM on it, just not the other way around)
They didn't EXPECT the target to get watched, probably. It's just a protective measure - even if you don't expect something doesn't mean you don't prepare for it. Why would lookout watch the person being healed, anyways? But maybe they thought it was a slim possibility.
I don't think this is necessarily the world we live in, but it's not impossible like y'all keep trying to argue.
Cross-out time !
Processing........
Remaining team according to luona pov :
MM/Paopan/Auwt/Oberon
MM/Paopan/Auwt/PQR
MM/Paopan/PQR/Oberon
So Marshmallow Marshall, congratulation, you are the official scum with an impressive 3/3 scumrate (with your scum mate being Paopan).
On a side I find the MM/Paopan and Oberon/Auwt pairings hillaring good work there Gikkle.
I mean you need imagination to create a world from nothing.
So to sum it up, Gikkle stated every possible team and then dismissed them to a point where there is no possible point where luona can stand on.
Feel free to follow the person who is not having any of the correct solve among the list of 10 teams he thought about.
I don't think Luona is town. But I'm not going to block out the possibility. There's a difference.
From my PoV the world is looking something like Auwt/Luona/PQR/Paopan. Jmw/Oberon are more sideline PoE. Though I still think Jmw's reaction to my things yesterday was terrible lol
If you believe luona is scum there is no point asking her to vote Paopan.
That does mean you believe she is town.
So you believe luona is scum but you believe she is town.
Usually a thing cannot be true and false at the same time unless there was a problem at some point.
But once again, I did only quote your post, so we know where the problem is : )
You locked yourself in a situation where you could not withdraw.
Marshmallow Marshall
PQRnHack
Light_Yagami[/mention
luona
Have a check at the last 50 posts, there should be the game.
I guess I have done my job for today.
luona if you prefer to believe Gikkle at this point, I feel like I can't do anything anymore.
does paopan and marshmellow have partnery interactions giggle
This is not a team ever, sorry to say it.
Auwt just doesn't have PQ do the kill because Auwt wants to go deep and they're being as safe as possible vs lookout lol. Opening themselves up to roleblocks which is ironically less safe than just having Auwt do the kills. The logic doesn't make sense.
And with MM on the team, Auwt/PQR team has no reason to not have a kill N1 unless you think they holster.
Unable to provide a team, had to back off to an anterior state with a correction, believes that luona is scum and town.
With that, I wish you a good night.
Anyone have any arguments for any pairings that wouldn't be S/S
or pairings that can't be T/T
started with all 330 scum teams, I'm at 121 right now
(I will explain my logic for going from 330 possibilities to 121 in a post where I get the possible teams down to something reasonable, so I can post the conclusions at the same time)
I don't recall them having many interactions at all. MM pushed Paopan D1, but very lightly and could very easily have busing. I don't recall seeing Paopan directly interact with MM except for some vague scum reads in his directions at certain points.
So theoretically, yes, I could see them being partners. Nothing really indicating one way or the other, though.
Having a headache just reading this.
How does having PQR do the kill instead of Auwt absolve the concern at all? You're not doing anything to lessen the risk of being caught, only having a different person be caught. Why are you assuming you know Auwt, on a team with PQR, would try to make PQR do the kill instead because he's worried about the lookout and doesn't want to get caught but instead go deep?
That's a very specific scenario that seems kind of dumb to me as you're just opening yourself to possibilities of interference for little to no benefit. I see scum having a veteran on the team just have the veteran do the kills, not "there's still a lookout and we want vet to go deep so let's toss the card sharp to do a kill tonight just in case!"
Unless you have some significant amount of experience playing with Auwt and think this is likely to come from him, this just looks like you reaching to justify a T/T scenario for if/when Pao flips green.
Kind of wondering if I scum read Paopan or Jmw more. Jmw wasted my time day 2 and never actually really explained the reads I wanted. He did post the chat but still never explained his thought process... His day 3 has been kind of good though so maybe I'm being a bit harsh. Though, I'd be kind of annoyed at Jmw for how he played day 2 if he's town. Made me write out a bunch of posts just because I wanted him to explain his reads lol
For his day 3, Jmw is perfectly capable of faking all this as scum, so...