... oh, that may be why you're acting like me being doc is a revelation lol.
@PQRnHack
Nvm, he already knows lol.
This is an awkward way to "realize". I have some doubts. On the other hand, I'm not too sure what the benefit of playing dumb as mafia would be here.
I volunteer ^^
i think that paopans role is useless for town.
hes just a flip to be done, to lower poe
and no, im not a social darwinist.
public actions will allow a public action plan
we need to work together to flip scum. if we dont, we will be manipulated by mafia, and will hit town only.
i first thaugth the way he doesnt see the table with the roles is strange. turns out, he is lost like this half of the time lmao
Roles aren't alignment indicative, so as far as I'm concerned they don't matter too much in terms of alignment.
If I think someone's scum, I'm going to go after them, and their role being strong won't stop me.
That said, I'm not sure why you say I'm going after BG doc and sheriff? I've yet to place a serious vote.
My vote on Obron is from RVS. I don't feel like I need to remove it yet and haven't felt like voting anyone else yet so it stays.
I feel like most of my posts have been straightforward except for the W/W PQrn and MM read. Which my initial thought behind was "If PQrn is scum, this looks like an easy excuse to switch your vote off of a teammate" but after sleeping on it, that read is bad because it was basically still RVS and PQrn could have swapped off of a teammate for any reason, plus there's no guarantee PQrn was voting a teammate anyway.
It's also weird to frame my townlean on light as a "weak excuse", seems like a lot of shading, but I can understand if you disagree. While reading up I did see the "sheriff confirmed town" post which is the only one I'd think so far to be scummy in any way. Don't know if it's enough to change my initial impression yet, we'll see.
To 1: excluding scum coach driver, there are no "odds" in me hitting a protective. Either I target someone with a protective role or I don't. If you don't trust my gamesolving abilities and thus don't trust my shots, that's one thing, but I don't feel like 1 is a valid reason to block me.
Also if I get blocked I'll be sad
Can you give an example of a post or thought process that matches how you were thinking about the game? How were you thinking about the game?
And also BG for mafia doesn't seem that strong, as if they protect a teammate successfully, they die, and it's a 1 for 1 (which is always good for town) and if we can figure out who they were protecting we catch another scum as well.
I'd be careful with this, although it was randed thrice and the fairest was taken, the odds are low but possible for all three pairings to have had some combo you would deem unbalanced (all three setups could have rolled with Jailor and Vigilante as scum for example, then no matter what Lag does me and Oberon would be S/S).
I wouldn't assume any pairings of people to not be S/S based on roles, I'd look at interactions for that.
Angleshooting is annoying so I disagree.
/shrug, I thought of something so I posted about it.
I don't know how to answer that question, you can ask PQR who's played a game with me or Gikkle who's played many games with me.
Oh also re: BG being messed up for mafia, I assumed that to mean too strong, if you meant that to be too weak, well, anything's possible. Could indicate mafia has some other, stronger, roles.
I'd not assume anyone to be town or scum simply on their role.
@Light_Yagami do you still think Mike has to be town because he's sheriff?
This is basically WIFOM. Only thing to be taken from this is caring about appearances, which is in of itself more scummy than not. Being experienced doesn't mean you stop caring about appearances; it just means you've probably learned how to hide it better.
As both alignments, Light could have turned off their activity. Them choosing to post instead of doing that only shows that they didn't think of that or they want to keep it on; nothing really alignment indicative in that regard.
Jailor/Vigilante can be on the same side, I think. Jailor is useless except when a no-lynch happens, and Vigilante can only kill one town player before it's turned into a citizen, and we'd be aware of any extra kills like that. Wouldn't be too strong of a combination.
As for RBing Jmw, we can control Jmw's kill, so there's no need to do that.
I think MM is town? They seem reasonable enough, for now. Haven't seen anything I disliked from them, really.
Oberon is pushing rather weird points, without doing any deeper analysis. Potentially wolf sided Jailor?
Oberon and Jmw both are giving me bad feelings, but both could be town too. Too early to tell.. Nobody has really done anything that makes me super confident in them either way.
I am protecting Light?
Interesting.
I just tend to skip Light's D1 because it's like 99% of bs and meme/video posting and 1% of actual useful information.
Don't feel like bothering too much about this kind of behaviour.
If you feel like there is something hidden beneath it, feel free to dig it out and inform us.
It currently did not ping me much to be fair.
To make it simple, I was scum for like half a year (something like 5-6 games in a row) and rolled town in the last FM.
Paopan in the other hand, has only been scum since his debut, never town. (4 games?)
My reasoning here is not hyper strong, but as PQR did not even notice the rolelist table at this point I was like eh whatever lets give him benefice of a doubt regarding his plan (sheriff on paopan and bg on sheriff).
He seemed not to be aware of what's going on and omitted a big fail in his plan.
I am however not excluding him from a potential today lynch.
I could be mean and say that you also are a flip to be done, to lower PoE. And that everyone but myself is, too. After all, since I'm obviously town, we're all gonna win like this! Convenient, right? :P
In what world is a Mayor useless for town? That's the strangest thing I've seen in a while, actually: Mayor is one of the strongest possible roles, even when its alignment isn't confirmed. Of course, it's a massive threat if it's scum-aligned, but it also is a massive boon if it's town-aligned. So while we definetly should be careful about Paopan, we should try to read him before doing anything to him.
Okay, well I'm open to plan proposals, since none come to my mind atm.
Hahaha makes sense. Not sure what to do with him for now, tbh, maybe he will be easier to read when he posts from a non confused state.
Light is giving out townpoints too freely. That feels scummy. Reminds me of myself when I’m playing scum.
Nevermind, now everything works fine again! Weird lol.
I like this reply (both because it looks like she's actually trying to convince Light and because it's pretty much true, especially considering how early in the game we are) and am tempted to retract my previous statement here.
What's the issue with jmw and oliver, btw? I have a hard time remembering who's who, especially since they didn't have an avatar until recently.
I dont scumread anyone, even paopan
its too early for this, yet.
i wasnt even able to form any reads, i just have soap in my brain :'(
luona seems pretty townie due to post #304
jmw "destroyed" his own "defense" multiple times, and i meta-read his post behaviour as town (weak proof i know)
other than this, and my 2 previous posts, my reads are nothing but soap. Soap without form, content or value
This Is The Most Anti Climactic Day 1 Ever..
And yes, actually i would be a better lynch than paopan when it comes to lowering poe...
this is not an justification to vote me, but just me debunking my own reads
maybe (highly chanced) paopan, our mayor, isnt that good of a vote d1
later today, when ive finished cooking, i will go one for one the players and look, whether or not they are to "expensive" role-wise to be lynched d1
then we will have a poe for d1, consisting out of maybe 4 players. Then we will decide who to be lynched, based on their scuminess. Unless someone makes a HUGE mistake in wording/behaviour as scum, i doubt we will have another way
and i will get a pfp
just got off my pcp. what is pfp?
Never mind, misread lol
-vote Gikkle
Pfp means profile picture
and i would really love to find out what @Oberon misread. Such an action can cause a hammer in a bad situation, and i want to avoid something like this by typing better next time.
also whats your reason for gikkle? I cant see him leaning anywhere, neither town or scum
Praise the Lord!
Why is everyone here so hard to read
MM is being very reasonable, I get the sense that nothing they've done so far is out of a normal wolfrange but I've liked their posts the most out of anyone's opening on a re-read
Gikkle's also not done anything that he couldn't do as both alignments yet, but I like his sanity check on the (frankly not so good) read I made last night.
Mike and Light's reasonings are very odd to me, I can't understand Light's reasonings behind townreading the sheriff and don't think I'm going to get anywhere on that topic at all.
Mike seems to have a ToS player point of view with regards to roles that seems to come into his posts as a bias toward those roles and against anyone who targets those roles? (myself)
PQR and Oliver seem similar to the only game I've played with them, where they were both town
And as weird as it is, I like Oberon quickly backing down off of Oliver. Think that's a good look.
Also I missed Oliver's post about #304 but agree it's a good question to posit. I remember when first reading that I was surprised that MM didn't go after me for my initial, not so good first impression of LY there.
I'm finding analysis a little harder than it typically would be for me, this is a very different setup and it seems some players are approaching it differently than I would which makes a headspace harder to develop.
will be busy for a few hours, tag me with questions.
No, it's rather that Luona looks a little bad if you flip scum. I don't think your post is terribly scummy in itself, it just involves a potential association.
Lol it's fine, you seem to have reads anyway xD.
I'm not sure "im not scum either" is terribly compelling, but I guess I can understand basing a read on that kind of thing, since I do it too; your reference to meta in the next sentence indicates you're the kind of player who likes "vibe-reading" people. Well, I think.
Uhhh, when did jmw defend himself, and when did he destroy his own defense? I may have missed something...
im starting this post off by a very important announcement: im painting my nails rn if anyone can guess what color it is they get a FREE townread!!!
also just figured out how to do this cool font stuff am i a site regular now
whos ur top 3 ideal lynches in order..? if u dont mind me asking.
hear me out,
what if you
heal me tonight :o
yet ur vote isnt on him.. why?
also btw, this reminds me, thank god whoever asked about vote counts, i was too shy to ask myself.
hows this distancing
i remember jmw had some posts i like, but he had alot more posts i dislike. i find his stances on things weird. (if u need more, i can quote specifics once my nails dry)
oliver, i didnt like how originally he didnt really mind if we would go for a paopan lynch or not. i think his specific wordings were "scum will manipulate him if hes town" or something along those lines which, while that may be true, i think it would better to lynch maf/scumreads than lynching "dangerous roles" just for the sake of. i remember asking him if he scumread paopan, but i dont remember seeing a reply, did i miss it?
ngl i forgot how to vote again, but i backread for it and i hope it works
-vote PQRNHACK
i like this vote the most rn
anyone i've mentioned not liking earlier i would be fine with as well, though as oliver posts more i got slight doubts in my read on him. also add oberon in the list of people i wouldn't mind voting.
I don't really understand what Mike has been doing this game, partly because his logic seems confusing and partly because I'm not a native english speaker + trying to read, uh, liberal grammar :P. As for Light, I think he might be playing dumb here with the "trust the Sheriff" thing (which, for the record, is clearly nonsensical considering the way roles were given to each alignment). He also hasn't done anything striking me as stemming from town intent, which is probably the most reliable way to read him, so I have big doubts there.
Also, it's not weird to like Oberon backing down quickly when he realized he misread his post as something he considers a scumtell when that scumtell was not there: the intent behind the vote looks pure, since he's removing the vote as soon as he realizes the logical grounds to scumread are bad. It's not impossible that he has a different intent (or even that he's faking to generate the exact thought process I just expressed), but I think it's still towny.
What is your approach suggestion, then?