S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)

[PQRnHack]

well it is 3/4 not 3/3 but close enough Frinckle boi

[luona]

I'm glad you're having fun. c: Mafia can't be interesting if people don't lie or push. Sure, you could choose not to use your ability but I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by telling me that. Not only could you simply be lying (as either faction), but the fact that your ability exists in the current gamestate (even if you were town) means that scum has plausible deniability for any mechanical outcome at night. Gikkle actually presents a similar problem because if you're lynched today, a Scum!Gikkle could grab your role. If you're legitimately confused, you have a bit of time to catch up or ask me anything you'd like. I don't know if your train has any momentum anyway.

im legit so confused how to read things that happen here, and i think me being this active is killing my motivation
i.. dont know what to do aa

do you think my original jmw sus was stupid..? (where i was susing him based on his interactions with mike)
my read on jmw keeps going flippy floppy and i really want a good read on him and i want help with that.

[Auwt]

As much as I don't want to give credit to Paopan's Mayor role, I've got to admit his train is most likely the worst-looking.

[PQRnHack]

I don't particularly care what you think of me. My read on you is my honest opinion.

And yes, V for villager.

Yeah I'm not buying it. You are trying to buddy me. My vote on you stands. What does a mafia do when caught and voted on? Try to be-friend me and make some excuses for me being a dumb town voting another town? I don't think so, bud.

[Frinckles]

well it is 3/4 not 3/3 but close enough Frinckle boi

mb i scum slipped

[Gikkle]

Yeah I'm not buying it. You are trying to buddy me. My vote on you stands. What does a mafia do when caught and voted on? Try to be-friend me and make some excuses for me being a dumb town voting another town? I don't think so, bud.

Okay.

[jmw]

His posts were him immediately trying to discredit the "post-mortem attack" as just me being salty...

I don't see it the same way.
The response seems genuinely angry and not calculated like I would see an attempt to discredit you.

did you ever come back to this..? im curious what ur results from it were. i find it weird how hes a townread but u mentioned a few things u dont like from him after it, how did those things affect this read?
if u wanna fight, or have any questions for me, lmk
i would like to see u develop this read more if u can.

Haven't had a chance to go back on the PQR posts I skimmed, I plan on doing that during the bus ride home before EoD, not too concerned with that slot at the moment though.
I'd probably lose a fight lol. I guess I'd be interested to hear more about your thoughts on the current lynch wagons that could reasonably reach 8 votes before EoD? (Paopan, Gikkle, etc)
When I'm at my computer again I can flesh out my read on loldebite, but I've liked their recent replies to me and not liking my Gikkle ping makes sense (for context, Gikkle and I share the same homesite and have played many games there) so I'd probably lean slightly town GTH.

[PQRnHack]

8 votes are not happening because scumbags have it split up.
jmw Gikkle MM oliver on Paopan~mayor

We need to get a read on Oberon based on tonight's situation.

[Auwt]

8 votes are not happening because scumbags have it split up.
jmw Gikkle MM oliver on Paopan~mayor

We need to get a read on Oberon based on tonight's situation.

What kind of read do you expect to have?

[PQRnHack]

Wake up: to get 8 votes requires 7(+1 Paopan) out of 9 of us to cast a vote. and people are either stupid or indecisive. So we can only hope Oberon is not mafia. Mark my words. I am no idiot.

[Light_Yagami]

mb i scum slipped

Noted

[jmw]

im legit so confused how to read things that happen here, and i think me being this active is killing my motivation
i.. dont know what to do aa

do you think my original jmw sus was stupid..? (where i was susing him based on his interactions with mike)
my read on jmw keeps going flippy floppy and i really want a good read on him and i want help with that.

I know you didn't ask me but parts of your argument were good.
Some of my original reads were bad (like my first impression of Light lol). And I can see why you'd expect someone to be placing their votes on their highest suspects for pressure (that's probably the smarter move, in retrospect no reason I shouldn't move it around except I've been a little busy).
I chalked it up to player differences, and I liked the way you questioned my read and if I usually make those sorts of reads (if you're interested in following up on that you should ask Gikkle as he's got a good grasp on how I usually play as both alignments)

[PQRnHack]

What kind of read do you expect to have?

The execution flip duh

[Loldebite]

As much as I don't want to give credit to Paopan's Mayor role, I've got to admit his train is most likely the worst-looking.

Worst for town, i assume ? What made you change your mind about paopan ? You seemed pretty happy to see him go, did you not ?

[Loldebite]

I dont really need to explain myself. It sucks to 2nd guess but I am sticking with my vote. Gikkle behavior was NOT rational at all. And the last 24 hrs that i just read I believe Gikkle is trying to get me to flip my vote. I dont care about them being useless tonight, I am here to lynch mafia, and Gikkle is most probable in my view.

Uh... Okay, i guess you've made your choice, then...

[PQRnHack]

Uh... Okay, i guess you've made your choice, then...

Winners do not guess. We make decisions,

[Auwt]

Wake up: to get 8 votes requires 7(+1 Paopan) out of 9 of us to cast a vote. and people are either stupid or indecisive. So we can only hope Oberon is not mafia. Mark my words. I am no idiot.

Spoiler : Hope :

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I trust in ho
I trust in h
I trust in
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It's m
It's ma
It's maj
It's majo
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It's majority
It's majority-
It's majority-o
It's majority-on
It's majority-onl
It's majority-only

-vote Gikkle

[Loldebite]

Winners do not guess. We make decisions,

Yeah, well loosers and scum also do make decisions, y'know... You seem awfully confident for a town, and refuse to explain why, you cant disagree that's strange from our POV, can you ?

[jmw]

Auwt getting cold feet on Paopan?

[PQRnHack]

Yeah, well loosers and scum also do make decisions, y'know... You seem awfully confident for a town, and refuse to explain why, you cant disagree that's strange from our POV, can you ?

Learn to spell: "losers". I must be confident as we are here to win it. My job is to find mafai and I think i have 3 identified, EZ Z

[Auwt]

Auwt getting cold feet on Paopan?

jmw getting scared his mate might be thrown overboard?

[PQRnHack]

Sorry i had some alcohol oops. But yeah i am confident in my reads here, buit sadly no LW

[Loldebite]

Learn to spell: "losers". I must be confident as we are here to win it. My job is to find mafai and I think i have 3 identified, EZ Z

Yeah, my bad, i always mess that up... Ain't a native speaker either
Let me guess... 4th is you ?

[PQRnHack]

jmw getting scared his mate might be thrown overboard?

scum are jmw Gikkle and <keeping to myself>

[PQRnHack]

Yeah, my bad, i always mess that up... Ain't a native speaker either
Let me guess... 4th is you ?

May the 4th be with you. No, I have not figured out the 4th member yet and the candidates are in a bit of conflict. I will need to see action D2 for this. You are my town read, we stick together.

[Auwt]

Light, Mike and luona your votes will likely not happen so you know.
Don't forget there are open ones though, and they are quite split, might eventually be alignment indicative up to some extend.

[jmw]

jmw getting scared his mate might be thrown overboard?

Sorry, wrong! I'm not scum.

scum are jmw Gikkle and <keeping to myself>

Sorry, wrong! I'm not scum.

[luona]

Please do develop those. Is the green tier really just "i dont see anything bad" or is it actually "i see good stuff" ?

i think both
they dont give me bad vibes, i like some of their posts and find them agreeable.

its much confusing for me rn ill reread during nightphase

Haven't had a chance to go back on the PQR posts I skimmed, I plan on doing that during the bus ride home before EoD, not too concerned with that slot at the moment though.
...
When I'm at my computer again I can flesh out my read on loldebite, but I've liked their recent replies to me and not liking my Gikkle ping makes sense (for context, Gikkle and I share the same homesite and have played many games there) so I'd probably lean slightly town GTH.

ill be excitedly waiting for them (:

I'd probably lose a fight lol. I guess I'd be interested to hear more about your thoughts on the current lynch wagons that could reasonably reach 8 votes before EoD? (Paopan, Gikkle, etc)

are u asking me my thoughts on them or their wagon..?
paopan - i wouldn't mind a paopan lynch too much, i didn't like how originally he wasn't putting in alot of effort even though he has (i think..?) a very late game pactful role. seems important, and i knew if i had that i would go super hard and try my best to not let down everyone else. his recent stuff where he had put effort was a bit better, but not by too much maybe.
even though i "wouldn't mind a paopan lynch too much" i do have a big hesitancy with it; he was a big focus for alot of the day, which is something i feel like normally scum wouldn't have. i feel like hes either scum whos given up or weak town whos getting hyperfocused on.. which is more likely? i wouldn't be surprised in any scenario but maybe the town scenario is a bit more likely..? im not sure.. i think somebodies prob taking advantage of this situation but idk who IERJHFJJ
gikkle - i don't want a gikkle lynch at all, i think theres better people to be picking off than him.
i dont know what to think of his wagon specifically

[jmw]

Unless someone makes a really good scumcase very soon, lynch is probably only possible between Gikkle and Paopan.
And boy do I love thunderdomes.

[Auwt]

scum are jmw Gikkle and <keeping to myself>

If I had to take a guess for a conjectural team with both of them, I would add MM, and either oliver/Light/Loldebite as a last member.

[PQRnHack]

There will not be a lynch today. Move on.

[PQRnHack]

If I had to take a guess for a conjectural team with both of them, I would add MM, and either oliver/Light/Loldebite as a last member.

No comment

[Auwt]

Sorry, wrong! I'm not scum.

Sorry, wrong! I'm not scum.

Never mentionned I was specifically talking about a scum mate : )
But is okay.

[PQRnHack]

I wish we had private message feature in this thing. fuck

[jmw]

Never mentionned I was specifically talking about a scum mate : )
But is okay.

It was clearly implied lol.

[Auwt]

I wish we had private message feature in this thing. fuck

Don't you have the ability to do it anyway?

[luona]

Light, Mike and luona your votes will likely not happen so you know.
Don't forget there are open ones though, and they are quite split, might eventually be alignment indicative up to some extend.

o i by accident missed this post..?

should i move my vote? i liked my vote

[Frinckles]

o i by accident missed this post..?

should i move my vote? i liked my vote

What do you want to do?

[jmw]

I wish we had private message feature in this thing. fuck

Hey can I get invited to the blackjack tournament tonight? I don't count cards, I promise

[Loldebite]

gikkle - i don't want a gikkle lynch at all, i think theres better people to be picking off than him.
i dont know what to think of his wagon specifically

Why do you oppose the gikkle lynch so much, since he's not one of your TRs ?
I agree with you otherwise

-vote NotPaopan

Placing this to force him to talk again.

[Auwt]

o i by accident missed this post..?

should i move my vote? i liked my vote

If you don't feel joining any of the others well do as you like, but you can almost be certain your today's vote won't lead anywhere if you hold it.

[oliverz144]

Sorry i had some alcohol oops. But yeah i am confident in my reads here, buit sadly no LW

oh oh, last time your alcohol reads didnt go well.

[luona]

What do you want to do?

i like my vote on pqrnhack i think

Why do you oppose the gikkle lynch so much, since he's not one of your TRs ?
I agree with you otherwise

-vote NotPaopan

Placing this to force him to talk again.

cuz i wanted to vote for who i thinks scummiest
and i think in that way pqrnhack > gikkle

[Oberon]

Why are we voting Paopan?

[Frinckles]

I mean, honestly if I had to guess as to what town!Oberon would do as far as jailing and executing goes- he'll say he's gonna Jail Grizzle and then yolo jail someone random and execute a towny.

[Oberon]

I would rather vote Yagami over paopan.

[Oberon]

I mean, honestly if I had to guess as to what town!Oberon would do as far as jailing and executing goes- he'll say he's gonna Jail Grizzle and then yolo jail someone random and execute a towny.

Lmao
At this point I’m not gonna jail Gikkle anymore I think. Yagami

[Oberon]

-vote Light_Yagami

I think its Light.

[luona]

how do i do those funny picture things frinckles

[Auwt]

-vote Light_Yagami

I think its Light.

Come on you team mate won't die it's majority only anyway, get back in!