S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)

[oliverz144]

Gikkle just fluffs, as usual

[NotPaopan]

I'll try to only 1h-30min before EoD. Pretty bad on my schedule. Expect me always out of EoD.


The Lord Mayor will park his vote on

-vote Gikkle

[NotPaopan]

My other 3 scum list are oliver, loldebite, and Auwt.
I have no town leans atm. So yeah.
I'm expecting good results from night investigative for tomorrow, regardless of whether I live or die.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

My other 3 scum list are oliver, loldebite, and Auwt.
I have no town leans atm. So yeah.
I'm expecting good results from night investigative for tomorrow, regardless of whether I live or die.

(more specifically, why do you scumread those people?)

[NotPaopan]

Just kill anyone tonight. 9 town, 4 bandits. Not that bad on randomly, kill a bandit, and you're confirmed town. Your decision will greatly help the town in the upcoming days. @Jailor/Vig

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Just kill anyone tonight. 9 town, 4 bandits. Not that bad on randomly, kill a bandit, and you're confirmed town. Your decision will greatly help the town in the upcoming days. @Jailor/Vig

Kill a townie, which is more likely, and you're harming the town hard.......... no, this is a terrible idea lol. Vigi/jailor kills should never be random, and a vigi/jailor explaining his kill by "I randomed" WILL get lynched for it, so don't do it

[NotPaopan]

Kill a townie, which is more likely, and you're harming the town hard.......... no, this is a terrible idea lol. Vigi/jailor kills should never be random, and a vigi/jailor explaining his kill by "I randomed" WILL get lynched for it, so don't do it

Go big or go home

[Loldebite]

Loldebite called my day 1 "reads" as "posting his opinion too late". Scum remarks.

Innacurate, i do not mind you posting your "reads" late, i reproach you barely talking at all (a fair amount or talking, but little to no seriousness, no fishingup until now, ie hours before EoD. Even now, explanations seem to much to ask for...

Just kill anyone tonight. 9 town, 4 bandits. Not that bad on randomly, kill a bandit, and you're confirmed town. Your decision will greatly help the town in the upcoming days. @Jailor/Vig

Go big or go home

Really ? That's the best you've got ?

I almost voted you, but i'd like to hear from @Gikkle before i do.
@Frinckles 's opinion would also be most welcome, cuz i value his opinion as a fellow dev

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Innacurate, i do not mind you posting your "reads" late, i reproach you barely talking at all (a fair amount or talking, but little to no seriousness, no fishingup until now, ie hours before EoD. Even now, explanations seem to much to ask for...




Really ? That's the best you've got ?

I almost voted you, but i'd like to hear from @Gikkle before i do.
@Frinckles 's opinion would also be most welcome, cuz i value his opinion as a fellow dev

I encourage you to place a vote to follow your words.

ALL ABOARD THE LYNCH TRAIN
CHOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Light_Yagami]

I encourage you to place a vote to follow your words.

ALL ABOARD THE LYNCH TRAIN
CHOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

MM Confirmed Scum...

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

[Frinckles]

Innacurate, i do not mind you posting your "reads" late, i reproach you barely talking at all (a fair amount or talking, but little to no seriousness, no fishingup until now, ie hours before EoD. Even now, explanations seem to much to ask for...




Really ? That's the best you've got ?

I almost voted you, but i'd like to hear from @Gikkle before i do.
@Frinckles 's opinion would also be most welcome, cuz i value his opinion as a fellow dev

What specifically did you want my opinion on?

[NotPaopan]

Depending on the results. Oliver or Auwt should be the next PoE && Expedite the PoE on the escort if he RBed the wrong guy.

[oliverz144]

And notpaopans just toxic coz i wanted to lynch him lol

[oliverz144]

MM, are you still on oberon?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

MM, are you still on oberon?

No, I even townread him a little. To see the vote count, go top right of the page and click "Vote Count".
Also I have to go, sorry :P

[oliverz144]

Looks like theres a front:

auwt; lolbit; myself
VS.
paopan

he scumreads us, we scumread him.
and i dont have anything in common with the other two guys.

[NotPaopan]

Let's make this simple. Considering the fact that Oliver "doesn't" like the votes on Gikkle.

If Gikkle flipped bandit, he's the next PoE

[oliverz144]

Let's make this simple. Considering the fact that Oliver "doesn't" like the votes on Gikkle.

If Gikkle flipped bandit, he's the next PoE

i have a better idea. We lynch you. Nothing easier, one scumbag less.

-vote notpaopan

[oliverz144]

Pff i like how paopan saw a) me thinking mayor is useless b) not understanding gikkle train= scum with gikkle.

[oliverz144]

@Auwt @Loldebite
follow me. One for all, all for one!

[Frinckles]

Let the record show that I'm more than willing to die on a future day if I fail to intercept Mafia kills (or me and Vig kill eachother lol.)

That way you won't have to guess about the plausibility of me being Mafia and I can provide a constant threat to them if they're unwilling to eliminate me themselves.

[Frinckles]

At the same time I need to do some catching up to get a decent PoE here. It'll be the same old box the wolves strategy so I'm not expecting any high level of accuracy.

[oliverz144]

@PQRnHack pls look at his statements. Remember what happened last time? Think rational, not emotional!

[Frinckles]

I think out of sheer mechanical implications, I'd like to lynch MM. If me and Vigilante are town, a Mafia Doctor makes some sense. I guess a Mafia BG does too in a way, but if I were scum I'd be sacking myself for a teammate which would be dumb.

[oliverz144]

I think out of sheer mechanical implications, I'd like to lynch MM. If me and Vigilante are town, a Mafia Doctor makes some sense. I guess a Mafia BG does too in a way, but if I were scum I'd be sacking myself for a teammate which would be dumb.

yesnt. We need to remember that thrice random is irrational and not balanced sometimes

[Frinckles]

yesnt. We need to remember that thrice random is irrational and not balanced sometimes

Thrice random? Never heard of it put that way but I get your point. I'm just speaking from my perspective and speculating about how dumb it would've been for me to get Mafia BG. I guess I could make it work if I tried though. imma kill that fuggin vig.

[Auwt]

I don't think oliver (Vigilante) is a member of the town, tbf.

[Auwt]

Oh he is survivalist mb then.
I still dont believe him to be town though.

[Frinckles]

Oh he is survivalist mb then.
I still dont believe him to be town though.

Gotcha. Like I said I need to catch up a tiny bit and probably respond to some quote mentions since I have 4 in my inbox. Don't want to be completely dead weight D1.

[Gikkle]

My Frinckles vote was just because it seemed like wasn't actually trying to solve, and his "As far as solving the game, I fear I won't be around long enough to influence it's outcome." irked me, so I voted him.

Both PQRn and Paopan are now pushing me with very little ground to stand on.

I would like to vote any of the following:

Jmw
Auwt
NotPaopan
Luona
Frinckles
Oberon

[Auwt]

My Frinckles vote was just because it seemed like wasn't actually trying to solve, and his "As far as solving the game, I fear I won't be around long enough to influence it's outcome." irked me, so I voted him.

Both PQRn and Paopan are now pushing me with very little ground to stand on.

I would like to vote any of the following:

Jmw
Auwt
NotPaopan
Luona
Frinckles
Oberon

Why is PQR out of that list?

[Gikkle]

Why is PQR out of that list?

Because PQR is the card sharp and is useful. Also based on my limited experience with them, weird pushes like this are normal for them so it's doesn't really look that bad.

[oliverz144]

My Frinckles vote was just because it seemed like wasn't actually trying to solve, and his "As far as solving the game, I fear I won't be around long enough to influence it's outcome." irked me, so I voted him.

Both PQRn and Paopan are now pushing me with very little ground to stand on.

I would like to vote any of the following:

Jmw
Auwt
NotPaopan
Luona
Frinckles
Oberon

vote paopan, there your vote isnt wasted

[oliverz144]

Vig as mafia doesnt make any sense.
its a town kill ONCE and you are vanilized

[Auwt]

Vig as mafia doesnt make any sense.
its a town kill ONCE and you are vanilized

You're getting worse and worse to my eyes.

[oliverz144]

You're getting worse and worse to my eyes.

you too.
maybe i should join jmw at that point. He got scumreads, but he contributed more than you tbh.
also you said paopan is your main scumread, but you vote me?! Empty words?!

[Frinckles]

Vig as mafia doesnt make any sense.
its a town kill ONCE and you are vanilized

Or you just snipe a useless mafia role, become 'confirmed' and coast until you can win by killing off a town and going to 2-2.

[Frinckles]

Why do I give scum so many good and crazy ideas.

[Frinckles]

-vote Luona

I've gone through Luona's ISO and didn't like it. I also don't like bus drivers and don't feel inclined to vote Gikkle.

Too much wifom fuckery to be had if people cannot be held accountable for their night actions. Gives scum too much plausible deniability.

[Loldebite]

-vote Luona

I've gone through Luona's ISO and didn't like it. I also don't like bus drivers and don't feel inclined to vote Gikkle.

Too much wifom fuckery to be had if people cannot be held accountable for their night actions. Gives scum too much plausible deniability.

I agree with the reasoning, plus i agree that she has stopped being solvy and started asking more questions or asking for more opinions rather than explaining her own.

if we have to, i dont mind consolidating on oberon

Care to explain why ?

In the meantime, i will lay my vote there while i wait for paopan's reappearance.

-vote luona

[Frinckles]

If you guys want to deal with a BD the entire game, feel free but ask yourself how pro-town the role is. Then weigh how much you like Luona's ISO. In the worse case event, a Town!Luona is stopped from accidently goofing with our night actions. I considered whether Scum!Gikkle would just grab the role and pick up from there but I honestly don't scumread him in his ISO and in the event that we may not even have a lynch today, he's hardly a threat even if you do scumread him.

[Frinckles]

I've never had a game where Light & MM were so aggressive nor where 2+ people were blatantly trying to pocket me for whatever reason. Kind of interesting. Another interesting thing is that Oberon it's extraordinarily wishy-washy as to whether he even wants to use his ability (by lynching today or not.) You'd think a Mafia Jailor would want to absolutely ensure that he could be a 'failor' and then take a back seat. Anyway I don't really like his Jailor targets though so I'd prefer we lynched.

[oliverz144]

I've never had a game where Light & MM were so aggressive nor where 2+ people were blatantly trying to pocket me for whatever reason. Kind of interesting. Another interesting thing is that Oberon it's extraordinarily wishy-washy as to whether he even wants to use his ability (by lynching today or not.) You'd think a Mafia Jailor would want to absolutely ensure that he could be a 'failor' and then take a back seat. Anyway I don't really like his Jailor targets though so I'd prefer we lynched.

i hope you understand that 6 scummy players are kinda unreal.

[Frinckles]

i hope you understand that 6 scummy players are kinda unreal.

I'm not asserting that they're all scum.

[oliverz144]

I'm not asserting that they're all scum.

kinda yes, kinda no.

[Frinckles]

yes. We shouldnt go off by roles and then lynching the dangerous roles if in mafia hand.
we should go off the "scumminess" and them choosing the most "appealing" lynch

I am going off of scumminess. I don't like Luona's ISO.

kinda yes, kinda no.

I don't know if we're on the same page.

[Oberon]

I've never had a game where Light & MM were so aggressive nor where 2+ people were blatantly trying to pocket me for whatever reason. Kind of interesting. Another interesting thing is that Oberon it's extraordinarily wishy-washy as to whether he even wants to use his ability (by lynching today or not.) You'd think a Mafia Jailor would want to absolutely ensure that he could be a 'failor' and then take a back seat. Anyway I don't really like his Jailor targets though so I'd prefer we lynched.

I’m not wishy washy, not sure how you got to that conclusion. I will absolutely jail if a lynch doesn’t go through, but if my target dies either way I don’t really care if its via lynch or nighttime execution.

[Frinckles]

I’m not wishy washy, not sure how you got to that conclusion. I will absolutely jail if a lynch doesn’t go through, but if my target dies either way I don’t really care if its via lynch or nighttime execution.

I disagree. You are being wishy washy because your not really pushing for a no lynch as hard as I think mafia jailor would.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

MM Confirmed Scum...

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

Did you maybe prefer when I was voting you? I switched for Paopan not because you are towny, but because he's scummy, a bigger threat assuming he's scum and a more realistic consensus. Nevertheless, this is actually the first post I like from you this game, because it looks like you actually don't care much about your own life, which is generally not a scum trait and definetly a town trait of yours.

But if you're town, it means you actually think sheriff = town...?? If so, please read the setup to see how it works.

Vig as mafia doesnt make any sense.
its a town kill ONCE and you are vanilized

An additional kill for the Mafia is nothing to scoff at (especially since it's a shot town won't be using against mafia). Plus, roles are not related to alignments!!!!!!!!!!!! The reasoning "X role doesn't make sense as Y alignment" IS INVALID, and it's polluting the discussion imo.

I've never had a game where Light & MM were so aggressive nor where 2+ people were blatantly trying to pocket me for whatever reason. Kind of interesting. Another interesting thing is that Oberon it's extraordinarily wishy-washy as to whether he even wants to use his ability (by lynching today or not.) You'd think a Mafia Jailor would want to absolutely ensure that he could be a 'failor' and then take a back seat. Anyway I don't really like his Jailor targets though so I'd prefer we lynched.

You haven't played with me actively in a while, have you xD.

Oberon looks the opposite of wishy-washy to me. He's literally pushing for the death of his scumreads no matter whether or not there is a lynch. Also, what read do you derive from this, assuming you do?

[oliverz144]

Did you maybe prefer when I was voting you? I switched for Paopan not because you are towny, but because he's scummy, a bigger threat assuming he's scum and a more realistic consensus. Nevertheless, this is actually the first post I like from you this game, because it looks like you actually don't care much about your own life, which is generally not a scum trait and definetly a town trait of yours.

But if you're town, it means you actually think sheriff = town...?? If so, please read the setup to see how it works.

An additional kill for the Mafia is nothing to scoff at (especially since it's a shot town won't be using against mafia). Plus, roles are not related to alignments!!!!!!!!!!!! The reasoning "X role doesn't make sense as Y alignment" IS INVALID, and it's polluting the discussion imo.


You haven't played with me actively in a while, have you xD.

Oberon looks the opposite of wishy-washy to me. He's literally pushing for the death of his scumreads no matter whether or not there is a lynch. Also, what read do you derive from this, assuming you do?

yes yes
read the thing before
it was a question what role is most dangerous in mafia hand