?KRC Reboot Gravity Falls Edition

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

What is the order of the kills on your list? :o

Already posted it ^^ but it's basically my D1 readlist

[FM-Sergei Caliendo]

I might have to get back to you on this in a couple hours with a more full answer. I still need to organise my thoughts. But needless to say I find it very unlikely Dipper pulled the cult thing out of his butt. Blendin corroborating everything except the neutral evil part pretty much makes him lock scum at this point.

The main thing confusing me is I can no longer rationalize the death of Robbie. On day 1 / night 1, Blendin was presumably the only illuminati and had no contact with alucard. So he would have had no way of killing Robbie. You and me are pseudo-confirmed non mafia by these blackmail shenanigans and would also lack the means to get a teammate to kill Robbie. So with no leak, it's a mystery why he died.

For my own sanity, I'm just going to take dipper's word at face value for the time being and maybe reread things later. The message you got means if he is mafia he's planned out this neutral claim for a long time.

There is a judge power unaccounted for in the PoE, and I honestly have no idea where it is. Noone has claimed responsibility for the kill of Stanley which is really weird given the deathnote.

I point at Ramirez and ask him to specify whether or not he murdered Robbie Valentino on the first night. I also invite him to post his hit list.

[FM-Mabel Pines]

Already posted it ^^ but it's basically my D1 readlist

Ahhh, so that's what that was

[FM-Mabel Pines]

I point at a specific part of the page of my life to answer @FM-Mabel Pines ' question.

Ah, I understand ^^

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

You softed being some kind of detective role that needs to solve things before they can use powers yesterday. What happened to that?

Trying to bait people into trying to solve it, and explain who Alice is. ^^ tried to make it sound like a mystery like a book though trying to hunt my role.

But meh i may of been over estimating my breadcrumbs

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

EY I killed Rob. Host forgot my DeathNote though. It's same as last nights

[FM-Mabel Pines]

FM-Robbie Valentino
FM-Stanley Pines
FM-Dipper Pines
FM-Mabel Pines
FM-Stanford Pines
FM-Pacifica Northwest
FM-Grenda Grendinator
FM-Wendy Corduroy
FM-Old Man McGucket
FM-Sergei Caliendo
FM-Tambry DiCicco
FM-Blendin Blandin
FM-Gideon Gleeful
FM-Candy Chiu
FM-Soos Ramírez

So according to this, Dipper is dying today...
And I'm dying night 4?

[FM-Old Man McGucket]

I also specify that the typewriter came from a chapter, just like how my weaponry went away because of a chapter. Writing truly is a breath-taking job, I say.

I urged Alan Wake to consider using his typewriter to resurrect Robbie. Though he would surely be missed, his grand sacrifice would replace his slot with a very powerful confirmed town. The only downside I feared would be that Robbie may return stuck in the past, and hang onto views and ideas that are incompatible with a new, more complicated world. Nonetheless, this was something worth considering if it helped the POE.

[FM-Sergei Caliendo]

Already posted it ^^ but it's basically my D1 readlist

Town
FM-Candy Chiu - Strong Start, highest Townread. #65 town + #162 more town+ for trying to stop non-town discussion. Out of all the players so far this is the one I'm most confident is town.

Townlean
FM-Gideon Gleeful - #117 Attempts at puzzle solving. NAI but shows they are capable,/ they pinged onto the same word as me. town+/ #306 they look like they are trying to solve mechanicly seriously +tiny townpoints
FM-Blendin Blandin -#71 Townderp?/ #161 suspision on old man hiding info, same as tam / #299 readlist also, more than mandys town+
FM-Tambry DiCicco - #143 looks like they made list in day chat town+ (scum less likely to do so)/ #151 sus on player old hiding info / scum+ calling a NAI action scummy, possible knowledge santarole town? / #220 at this point most of their posts around here are suggesting TMI or rabbithole theorys, (mechanics is a very NAI topic to discuss) goes off rails talking about bombs / but then town+ as no scum would draw this much attention. depends how/ if Wendy dies but for now tiny townlean for the sheer insanity

Null
FM-Old Man McGucket - #86 shows engagement and though, although mechanics is NAI a willingness to engage is town+ but then hiding info maybe scum+ although it shows they are looking for scum and dont know its safe to claim their item (scum would have no fear in showing their item if the sender is scum)
FM-Wendy Corduroy - #220 at this point most of their posts around here are suggesting TMI or rabbithole theorys, (mechanics is a very NAI topic to discuss) #258 claims they are to die for breaking a rule (after Tambry made warnings with bombs????) this slot is self-solving now
FM-Sergei Caliendo - Has a on of flavour and a weird way of speeking, Null just for the fact I dont have the energy to try and decifer their posts yet. please stop posting like that,
FM-Mabel Pines - #127 possible scumslip spooted by Gideon #191 calls Tambry townie or scum (looks like a read but its poor) tiny scum+ #286 makes a post (contains only townreads though) town+tiny amount
FM-Grenda Grendinator - no posts
FM-Pacifica Northwest 2 posts only, NAI
FM-Stanford Pines - Breadaddict.? NAI (although the role feedback so far makes me feel like the role is more self-harming than anytthing, so less likely scum)

Scumlean
FM-Dipper Pines - #231 notices that to much discussion on mehanics. but dosnt do anything to stop it scum+
FM-Robbie Valentino -keeping activity to a minimum, is not open about their thoughts on "bad votes"

Scum
FM-Stanley Pines - #83 Caims candy is going for LHF? (Candy not LHF at this point) scum +/ #85 claims they took their time to read before entering (To much caution for townsfolk) Scum+/ #89 then scumreads the person they are claiming are lowhanging fruit scum+

-vote FM-Stanley Pines

The Author

You have the power of plot-kills.

By the end of Day 1, you MUST submit a list of all other players in the game to the host(s). On the first night, if they are alive, you will kill the first player on top of that list. On the second night, you will kill the 2nd top-player on the list. And so on and so-forth until kill attempts have been made on all players on the list.

Your kills cannot be redirected nor role-blocked. HOWEVER, if the player is dead by the time it is their turn on the list, nothing will happen and you will make no kill attempts.

You have the ability to strike up to 3 names off your list. You may only do this once and you must choose the 3 names immediately (no choosing 1 name D2 1 name D3 so on and so forth).

Looking back at the suspicions Ramirez had expressed on the first Day, I realize it becomes quite obvious Stanley should have died by his hand. My suspicions turn to Ramirez as I ask him to explain himself...

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

So according to this, Dipper is dying today...
And I'm dying night 4?

Ey

[FM-Sergei Caliendo]

Looking back at the suspicions Ramirez had expressed on the first Day, I realize it becomes quite obvious Stanley should have died by his hand. My suspicions turn to Ramirez as I ask him to explain himself...

I specify that Stanley should have died by Ramirez's hand on the first night, not on the second one.

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

I didn't want to be caught out if scum made my role. So I switched the bottom two peeps ^^

[FM-Sergei Caliendo]

I urged Alan Wake to consider using his typewriter to resurrect Robbie. Though he would surely be missed, his grand sacrifice would replace his slot with a very powerful confirmed town. The only downside I feared would be that Robbie may return stuck in the past, and hang onto views and ideas that are incompatible with a new, more complicated world. Nonetheless, this was something worth considering if it helped the POE.

I replied to the Old Man that although I had considered doing this, my Protagonist Protection was a valuable asset while it lasted. Nevertheless, I agreed that such an action would eventually be helpful.

[FM-Mabel Pines]

Solved or solvable slots:
Mabel
Blendin
Dipper
Sergei

Very likely town:
McGucket
Wendy? (If Wendy isn't town, I seriously feel bad for them given how borderline useless their role is for a scum xP)

Not currently a threat:
Soos

That leaves Candy as the only unsolved slot, but I think it makes Blendin the clear elimination for today

[FM-Mabel Pines]

I didn't want to be caught out if scum made my role. So I switched the bottom two peeps ^^

According to the reads list that Sergei quoted, I'm 7th there, how come I'm 4th in the list you posted today?

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

I am claiming neutral benign, but Dipper used a pre-recorded megaphone to make me seem evil, I'm not

Dipper is claiming neutral benign, but I know for a fact they are Mobster, I am revealing this because of what they did to me today

The only difference between voting me today, and voting Dipper today, is that my action is public knowledge

I know for a fact that Candy is not town, and my action tonight, which is a known thing, will kill them

There is no world where any logical player would rationalize that voting me is the correct thing to do today ahead of voting Dipper

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

I am claiming neutral benign, but Dipper used a pre-recorded megaphone to make me seem evil, I'm not

Dipper is claiming neutral benign, but I know for a fact they are Mobster, I am revealing this because of what they did to me today

The only difference between voting me today, and voting Dipper today, is that my action is public knowledge

I know for a fact that Candy is not town, and my action tonight, which is a known thing, will kill them

There is no world where any logical player would rationalize that voting me is the correct thing to do today ahead of voting Dipper

@FM-Robbie Valentino
@FM-Sergei Caliendo
@FM-Pacifica Northwest
@FM-Mabel Pines
@FM-Stanley Pines
@FM-Candy Chiu
@FM-Soos Ramírez
@FM-Blendin Blandin
@FM-Gideon Gleeful
@FM-Old Man McGucket
@FM-Grenda Grendinator
@FM-Wendy Corduroy
@FM-Tambry DiCicco
@FM-Stanford Pines

Please read the quoted post

[FM-Mabel Pines]

I am claiming neutral benign, but Dipper used a pre-recorded megaphone to make me seem evil, I'm not

Dipper is claiming neutral benign, but I know for a fact they are Mobster, I am revealing this because of what they did to me today

The only difference between voting me today, and voting Dipper today, is that my action is public knowledge

I know for a fact that Candy is not town, and my action tonight, which is a known thing, will kill them

There is no world where any logical player would rationalize that voting me is the correct thing to do today ahead of voting Dipper

How do you know that Candy is not town, exactly?

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

How do you know I'm the real neutral?

My alignment specifically is tied to a private chat with Mastermind. Mastermind told me about Dipper.
The Vampire alignment was specifically also tied to Mastermind under certain circumstances. Dipper claims to not tied to Mastermind, at all. They are not neutral.
As Illuminati I am informed of more information about the game, and I know for a fact that the only remaining neutral apart from myself is Mastermind. There are two Mobsters remaining. Therefore Dipper's claim of being neutral proves Mastermind correct, Dipper is Mobster, not Neutral.

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

How do you know that Candy is not town, exactly?

Honestly, it's more of a guess based on the fact that they could not be converted to neutral benign.

My action tonight will only work if Candy is exactly non-town. So if it turns out they are in fact town, not only will Candy not die, but they will also be confirmed Town. So from a mechanical point of view, it doesn't make sense to vote me out in that respect either.

[FM-Sergei Caliendo]

I am claiming neutral benign, but Dipper used a pre-recorded megaphone to make me seem evil, I'm not

Dipper is claiming neutral benign, but I know for a fact they are Mobster, I am revealing this because of what they did to me today

The only difference between voting me today, and voting Dipper today, is that my action is public knowledge

I know for a fact that Candy is not town, and my action tonight, which is a known thing, will kill them

There is no world where any logical player would rationalize that voting me is the correct thing to do today ahead of voting Dipper

I warn my fellow Assembly attendees that letting a likely Illuminati convert people is extremely risky. I also point out that the "conversion" mode specified by the megaphone makes much more sense than the bad -> good conversion Blendin claimed to have.

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

According to the reads list that Sergei quoted, I'm 7th there, how come I'm 4th in the list you posted today?

Cause my nulls where not organized and I had to figure out some order for the EoD

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

I warn my fellow Assembly attendees that letting a likely Illuminati convert people is extremely risky. I also point out that the "conversion" mode specified by the megaphone makes much more sense than the bad -> good conversion Blendin claimed to have.

Respectfully, you're chasing a boogeyman being perpetuated by a falsehood created by a mobster.

If you vote me out today, you will create a scenario where there will be 2 mobsters, and 1 mastermind remaining. Town will be at a point of being mechanically overrun and only being able to choose who wins.

My action, which is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, is currently set at:

Strongman Kill Candy Only If Non Town

That action has real value, not assumed value

[FM-Mabel Pines]

How do you know I'm the real neutral?

My alignment specifically is tied to a private chat with Mastermind. Mastermind told me about Dipper.
The Vampire alignment was specifically also tied to Mastermind under certain circumstances. Dipper claims to not tied to Mastermind, at all. They are not neutral.
As Illuminati I am informed of more information about the game, and I know for a fact that the only remaining neutral apart from myself is Mastermind. There are two Mobsters remaining. Therefore Dipper's claim of being neutral proves Mastermind correct, Dipper is Mobster, not Neutral.

Mastermind already flipped. Gideon was said to be "Neutral Mastermind Alucard"

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

In any event, I am rather soured by this experience on a whole. I really am disappointed that Dipper decided to go this way against me, but even if you vote me out today (which is very likely), read my rolecard very clearly and you will realize that what I am telling you is true.

Dipper is Mobster, but there really won't be anything Town can do to win at that point.

If you vote out Dipper now, you will know when they flip mobster that what I am saying was true, and my leashed action will be of value to town.

If you vote Dipper out now, and they flip anything but exactly what I am telling you, there are powers in this town that can lock me down and stop me immediately.

But again, think about how games are set up in the arcade.

There is traditionally a 3 scum team, and 3 neutrals. One killing, one evil, one benign. I am telling you, I am that benign, and in this game, all the neutrals were somewhat connected to Mastermind in one way or another, and Dipper is not fitting with this.

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

Mastermind already flipped. Gideon was said to be "Neutral Mastermind Alucard"

I don't know what point you are trying to make, but yes, their role did flip

Is this a question or something?

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

Did you not read how their role works?

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

There is no mechanically logical way I am voted out today

But I don't expect reason to prevail here

Town doesn't deserve to win

Vote with your feelings, I've antagonized all of you all game

Take the loss

[FM-Mabel Pines]

Respectfully, you're chasing a boogeyman being perpetuated by a falsehood created by a mobster.

If you vote me out today, you will create a scenario where there will be 2 mobsters, and 1 mastermind remaining. Town will be at a point of being mechanically overrun and only being able to choose who wins.

My action, which is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, is currently set at:

Strongman Kill Candy Only If Non Town

That action has real value, not assumed value

You're implying that there are 4 non-town players alive out of the 8 players remaining? Meaning with 4 dead town, the game started 8v7?

[FM-Mabel Pines]

I don't know what point you are trying to make, but yes, their role did flip

Is this a question or something?

You're claiming mastermind is still alive? How is that possible if Mastermind has already died. Wouldn't that mean the Vampire is the one still alive?

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

You're implying that there are 4 non-town players alive out of the 8 players remaining? Meaning with 4 dead town, the game started 8v7?

What are you talking about?

There are 3 neutrals, 3 scum, 9 Town

Mastermind can switch accounts

This isn't a broken cult game like Dipper faked my rolecard

If that were the case, I wouldn't even be an option for being voted today

Pretty dumb dumb

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

You're claiming mastermind is still alive? How is that possible if Mastermind has already died. Wouldn't that mean the Vampire is the one still alive?

You should really read the rolecards again

I'm done helping you

[FM-Mabel Pines]

You should really read the rolecards again

I'm done helping you

I know what you're implying. You're implying Gideon switched to McGucket and McGucket is now the Mastermind. That seems like a bold claim, I just want a more concrete answer from you on it. ^^

[FM-Old Man McGucket]

There is no mechanically logical way I am voted out today

But I don't expect reason to prevail here

Town doesn't deserve to win

Vote with your feelings, I've antagonized all of you all game

Take the loss

Personally, if I was genuinely "neutral benign cult illuminati", there is no way in hell I'd ever try to convert anyone. I'd just be polite and pro-town and inoffensive to everyone. Trying to convert people would be awful PR for a role that would already be so naturally misunderstood. I've definitely seen pro-town survivors, but the level of investment you have in this game is wholly unlike someone who, at the end of the day, just needs to exist.

Your gaslighting is falling on deaf ears. We now know you've been lying like crazy for days about your alignment and your relationship to the mastermind. And now you're speaking with the same confidence while you rattle off a totally new set of facts. Noone is lynching you because they're mad at you or something lol. This is simply the decision we've naturally come to, upon finding out you are literally part of a faction called the illuminati and your only defense is that they're actually neut benign and host is trolling us :P

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

Who was the blackmailer?

[FM-Old Man McGucket]

If the rolecard the megaphone revealed was different from yours, your first instinct would have been to paste your own authentic illuminati rolecard and "counterclaim", with a few minor edits perhaps. It is well understood at this point you can paste your rolecard, chats, pretty much everything within reason aside from informal messages/answers from the host herself. Hours later and this still hasn't occured to you. Because you haven't got another rolecard.

[FM-Old Man McGucket]

Who was the blackmailer?

We are pretty certain the blackmail is a factional ability of the mafia's rather than a power an individual has. We still have no explanation for where the judge power came from.

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

If the rolecard the megaphone revealed was different from yours, your first instinct would have been to paste your own authentic illuminati rolecard and "counterclaim", with a few minor edits perhaps. It is well understood at this point you can paste your rolecard, chats, pretty much everything within reason aside from informal messages/answers from the host herself. Hours later and this still hasn't occured to you. Because you haven't got another rolecard.

This is what disgusts me about this game

Does everyone think it's just a given that it's allowable to cape paste rolecards, chats, screenshots, conversations with the hosts?

Just PM each other your role cards, why even play this game?

You realize how disrespectful it is to have to play with this in the game?

I'm honestly disgusted.

To answer your insulting post, the only way you're allowed to do ANY of those things are with permission from the hosts. If you do it on your own, you are literally breaking the rules of the game in order to benefit your win condition. In other words, cheating.

Disgusting.

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

I'm done with this game.

I'm neutral benign, I submitted my action on Candy, Dipper is Mobster, if you vote me today, recognize that I am not what Dipper claimed, and then recognize what I told you, Town can no longer win.

GL GL

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

We are pretty certain the blackmail is a factional ability of the mafia's rather than a power an individual has. We still have no explanation for where the judge power came from.

How was that conclusion reached?

[FM-Mabel Pines]

This is what disgusts me about this game

Does everyone think it's just a given that it's allowable to cape paste rolecards, chats, screenshots, conversations with the hosts?

Just PM each other your role cards, why even play this game?

You realize how disrespectful it is to have to play with this in the game?

I'm honestly disgusted.

To answer your insulting post, the only way you're allowed to do ANY of those things are with permission from the hosts. If you do it on your own, you are literally breaking the rules of the game in order to benefit your win condition. In other words, cheating.

Disgusting.

Pasting rolecards has been cleared with the hosts as okay
Pasting chats has been cleared with the hosts as okay
Pasting screenshots has been cleared with the hosts as NOT okay
Pasting conversations - well probably depends on the conversation, should be done on a case by case basis

PMing other players is certainly NOT allowed. So your recommendation of everyone just PMing each other their roles would be against the rules.

Everyone open claiming their role on day 1, technically is allowed. But it's also allowed in regular FM. And People don't do it here for the same reasons they don't do it in regular FM.

But you know what does happen later in the game in regular FM? Role claims. Just like what's happening now. Not sure why you're having such a fit about it.
Is it just because you think this wasn't cleared with the hosts? Because it was. <3


But you were probably being super disingenuous with your post and you already knew all that anyway~

[FM-Mabel Pines]

How was that conclusion reached?

In the chat between Pacifica + Blendin that was posted, it's what Pacifica claimed. There has been little reason to doubt this claim as all the roles seem to be accounted for now but the judge power and the blackmail powers are still unaccounted for.

So that seems to corroborate the factional blackmail.

Judge power still unaccounted for though,
Maybe the Judge thing is a factional power of the Mastermind role? Maybe someone is lying about their role?

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

Pasting rolecards has been cleared with the hosts as okay
Pasting chats has been cleared with the hosts as okay
Pasting screenshots has been cleared with the hosts as NOT okay
Pasting conversations - well probably depends on the conversation, should be done on a case by case basis

PMing other players is certainly NOT allowed. So your recommendation of everyone just PMing each other their roles would be against the rules.

Everyone open claiming their role on day 1, technically is allowed. But it's also allowed in regular FM. And People don't do it here for the same reasons they don't do it in regular FM.

But you know what does happen later in the game in regular FM? Role claims. Just like what's happening now. Not sure why you're having such a fit about it.
Is it just because you think this wasn't cleared with the hosts? Because it was. <3


But you were probably being super disingenuous with your post and you already knew all that anyway~

under no circumstances is copy pasting communications allowed

That includes role cards and chats

You are allowed to describe it

You are not allowed to copy paste

You are not even allowed to lie saying it is a copy paste

It is disrespectful because it is cheating

If you don't understand this, then that's really on you, and for a post-game discussion on how to play mafia

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

In the chat between Pacifica + Blendin that was posted, it's what Pacifica claimed. There has been little reason to doubt this claim as all the roles seem to be accounted for now but the judge power and the blackmail powers are still unaccounted for.

So that seems to corroborate the factional blackmail.

Judge power still unaccounted for though,
Maybe the Judge thing is a factional power of the Mastermind role? Maybe someone is lying about their role?

So there is another Brown scum?

[FM-Blendin Blandin]

At this stage in the game, the overwhelming amount of players seem to think cheating is ok, and have engaged in it to some degree

Congratulations

Have fun

I am still neutral benign and dipper is still mobster

[FM-Mabel Pines]

Also based on what we know - there might not even be any factional kills.

Grenda's death is obviously explained.
Stanford's death was because of violating his role's constraints
Robbie's death is explained with the Author's plot kill + Sergei's flashlight
Pacifica's death is explained with Blendin's jail + my random scum kill
Stanley's death is explained with the author's plot kill
Gideon's death is explained by McGucket's vig kill

The only death we can't explain is Tambry's with that weird judge power.

But none of these are factional kills.

Which means if the game state really is as Blendin implies with 4 town vs 3 scum + Blendin.
Then removing Blendin when there's no factional kill moves us to a 4v3, still winnable.

So even Blendin's own argument for why we shouldn't vote for him kind of falls apart xP

[FM-Mabel Pines]

So there is another Brown scum?

Presumably :/

[FM-Mabel Pines]

under no circumstances is copy pasting communications allowed

That includes role cards and chats

You are allowed to describe it

You are not allowed to copy paste

You are not even allowed to lie saying it is a copy paste

It is disrespectful because it is cheating

If you don't understand this, then that's really on you, and for a post-game discussion on how to play mafia

Just because you say things in a declarative tone doesn't make them true. You seem to do that a lot xP

None of those things are rules. You can't just pick stuff you dislike and decide that it's against the rules.

And all of the actions people have taken which you claim to be cheating have been cleared with the hosts.

And let me point you to a real FM Rule here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...um-Mafia-Rules

Rule #10: Do not question the decisions of FM Staff in game, that belongs in the Answer Hall

So if you have a problem with it. Don't bitch about it here. Don't bitch at the hosts about it either. Go make your complaint in the Answer Hall.

That said it's rather poor sportsmanship to call everyone else cheaters just because you're losing, really not a good look u.u

[FM-Mabel Pines]

Not sure if I'll be back by EoD. Not ideal putting someone at L-1, but I really can't see a scenario that changes the vote for today, and I don't want any judge shenanigans again if I don't place a vote and the votes end up being close

-vote FM-Blendin Blandin

[FM-Mabel Pines]

-vote unvote