Nah I have taken the feedback but if your hypothesis was correct I'd shy away from the times I've actually fucked up and was rightfully punished in the past. But I've never hid those games or denied them I've been 100% Honest about everytime I've legitimately fucked up. If the reports were A) Coming from respectable mafia players B) about offenses actually listed on this website and C) Offenses I've actually done, I wouldn't have fought them. Unfortunately the reality of the situation is that there was a witch hunt on and my days were numbered. I've definitely pissed a lot of bad mafia players off with the Honest Man gimmick, but I don't have it in me to feel shame for the things I've done to bad mafia players, never have. The good ones though, I'd take a report by them seriously if they ever came.
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We have a term in Forum Mafia called Angleshooting.
Its bascially, where something isn't technically against the rules. But its still wrong.
And thats basically what you've been doing.Angleshooting is the action of breaking the spirit of the rules without breaking them; circumventing them. For example, trying to gain an unfair advantage by using things that did not happen in the game (with the exception of meta), or saying that "the host has slipped" and building anything over this is angleshooting. Discussing the reasons for which a player may or may not have replaced or making reads based on this also is angleshooting.
What is this
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
I mean, prefer and blacklist are in the game. Personally I'd remove or heavily nerf them, but they're in the game and they're extremely effective. It's not really angle shooting when people can look up your prefers and blacklists and if you use the same name every game. Saying I'm 95% of the time Town isn't really angleshooting it's just kind of an accepted fact since prefer and blacklist are too strong as it currently stands. Now if you're talkin about where I said the Jailors deserve to get punished for jailing me that's entirely true. It's no secret I don't give roles to anyone night one in Jail, so any long term player ie most of them who jailed me, would knowingly jail someone they know wouldn't give a role. Now this isn't against the rules, but many of the people who hated me knew this and still spite jailed me it's kinda funny because IMHO knowingly jailing someone you know isn't going to give you anything repeatedly, while also knowing they are likely town isn't against the rules. However it is lowkey somewhere on the gamethrow scale since your knowingly making a bad play. Like even if you hate me a lot, playing enough games with me to know jailing me night one isn't profitable but doing it anyway pretty sus.
Last edited by ZZorange; July 3rd, 2021 at 10:30 PM.
The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.
I am not going to say there is no witch hunt going on for you but I do still feel like your invalidating the feedback that is given to you.
Perhaps you can reject the feedback here but later in life take a moment to accept it in hind sight of this situation. Although by that time I doubt any person who has participated in this chat will care about this chat in the slightest or even remember this conversation happened.
Yeah but angleshooting is intentional, the fact that I had 10 mafia roles blacklisted and 7 preferred was just a well known fact. Everything I got reported for in that OzyWho game was after I was already dead and by definition couldn't be angleshooting lol. So IDK why you're so hung up on this.
The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.
Again it's a fairly simple concept that everyone on this world does. People reject feedback that doesn't come from sources they believe to be legitimate. Some surgeon doesn't go ahead and take the random advice of a guy who's played Surgeon Simulator for 20000 hours. In the same vein if a chronic gamethrower reports you for gamethrowing you're not going to take it seriously.
I don't know how I can make it more simple, if any of the reports had come from upstanding people in the mafia community it'd be easy to respect their grievances, but none of them had, it's that simple. I've read every report, know every single reporter. That's all it is.
The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.
You were talking about always blacklisting mafia roles and preferring town roles whilst picking same name - and never claim your role in order to teach everyone that you're always town. You yourself admited to have done it before and to keep doing in the future all for the purpose of what was described in the last sentence.
How is that not angleshooting?
Besides, that's what I reported you for but that's not for what you got punished.
You didn't claim in jail in order to "teach a lesson" - thereby violating 2 of your appeal conditions. Which was your actual offense of that game.
Honestly, these mental gymnastics you're pulling to twist reality to your desire - don't you ever get tired of it?
Last edited by OzyWho; July 4th, 2021 at 03:47 PM.
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Somehow “teaching a lesson” is not gamethrowing because they should have already known the lesson they’re currently learning
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
Neither Auwts or mine own appeal #2 required claiming in jail, so I'm not sure what you thought I violated there. What I said in death chat was simply an explanation of why I take the actions I did in game. The lesson being that if you want to jail and execute Honest Man n1, you're perfectly allowed to but you will have a high chance of failoring and if failoring occurs, that is on you. That's the lesson not that "People must learn I'm always town". I've already explained the logic behind not claiming as an Honest player as it's very different from playing as a player that can lie.
You can use hyperbole all you want, but the truth remains the truth.
In order to angleshoot I kind of have to use it to have some impact on the game. Discussing it after any impact has already been removed isn't angleshooting it's just discussing basic pattern recognition. Like I see someone with the name "please be patient i have autism" in colourful teal letters it isn't angleshooting to know that player is Toast. That's just basic pattern recognition. If someone executes Honest Man n1 and he flips Marshall it's not angleshooting it's realizing the basic pattern that blacklists and prefers are public knowledge and they've been posted on this forum before. Again, you actual problem here is Blacklist/Prefer can impact the game way too much to which I agree. But it's not angleshooting.
The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.
Well basically talking about prefer/blacklist of a certain player is considered as angleshooting/spirit breaking, especially when achieved in order to defend yourself.
If I remember correctly I've already seen some replay where your defense has been designed around "I always prefer town so [insert a complement]".
That is external info that happens pre-game.
The real game starts at the moment you choose a name.
Talking during the actual game, about events that have happened before it, is very likely to bite the game spirit breaking / angleshooting line.
It's not a defense it's just pure statistics. Honest Man spends 95% of his games as Town isn't a defense its just stating a well known fact. How people choose to use this information is up to them.
Here I'll give an example not about me so you can see what I mean. I'm a veteran player so I know the prefer lists of other regular players. Certain players like to play certain roles and some of those players often enjoy using the same names, enabling you to see who they are in game.
Anyway in one hypothetical game there's an amnesiac gone Jailor and its a 2v1 and both are claiming it, except the catch is one of the claimers is Toast who everyone knows prefers Amnesiac. Is it angleshooting to lean towards believing toast because you know it's more probable they are amnesiac in a game with no other major tells? You can't help but know these things when you play that long, so would it be punishable to act on this outside knowledge and if so why. It's not like we can just give ourselves Amnesia to enforce fair play.
99% Of the angleshooting claims in here wouldn't be an issue if prefer and blacklist were not as strong as they are and yet you attack the person abusing the abuseable system instead of attacking the system itself. Fix the system and you won't have any of what you believe to be angleshooting, or just keep getting angry at people using the broken system in place and punishing them for all of eternity. Talk about insanity right der.
I've never been reported for being the Honest Man gimmick and never telling lies, so if it is illegal then I should have been banned for it long ago. Aslong as blacklist prefer exists in its current state there will be others who use it this way, and to punish those players for using a system in game is no offense pretty fuckin dumb.
Last edited by ZZorange; July 4th, 2021 at 06:04 PM.
The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.
Attempts the pivot, Ooohhh ouch, that one looked like it hurt SuperTroll goes down. Well Jerry at the very least you can say SuperTroll gave it his all out there today.
The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.
Why is this guy still being worshiped? I thought he quit last month? Why is he still here?
Now look what you've done, now that guy nobody remembers is jealous of you guys trying to slide into my dms. Smh my head.
The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.
Even after you quit SC2 Mafia, you still retain the IQ of a DH who forgot to maintain a LW on day 4.
I don't care that no one knows me. That's a non-sequitur. What I do care about is that you got permabanned yet here you still are hanging around the forums like a pimple after the age of 20. When you said you're leaving, I will make sure you'll leave. So please leave.
The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.
Last edited by OzyWho; July 5th, 2021 at 11:42 AM.
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Srry SuperJack I'm workin on gettin more forum mafia games under my belt, Neko told me the number of games until I'm allowed to use gambits like a regular forum mafia player instead of getting modkilled is 25, so I gotta grind those out. Kinda weird rule but I respect the honesty so I gotta hit the grind.
The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.
Is English not your native language? You said to "all of Mafia". Last time I checked, "all of Mafia" would imply the entire SC2 Mafia community that encompasses both the SC2 Mafia custom map AND the SC2 Mafia forums. Talk about a disingenuous goodbye if you're goodbyeing to one half and still sticking around for the other. I don't say "goodbye, fellow co-workers!" only to work for the sister company in the same building when I leave my job.
It's been a good run. I'm not gonna prattle on about the circumstances, I just wanted to make this post to say thanks, kinda like the 72222 post, but to all of Mafia.
I mean for the most part the mod community is the mafia community, save a few forum mafia elitists. So saying goodbye to the mod is basically saying it to most of the mafia community. Context is important here since I was clarifying that it wasn't like the 72222 post, but i guess reading comprehension is hard. I could never leave entirely because reading the poorly thought out posts made by you and others is far too much entertainment.
Man is it entertaining watching you jump into threads to try to pile on people who don't even know who you are. I mean I know you're just doing it for a reaction to give your life some meaning, but it doesn't mean it isn't entertaining.
The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.
What context if you didn't mention "mod" or "arcade" anywhere in that post. Seems like you're the one who needs help with reading and writing comprehension.
LMAO at the condescending remarks. Bro, if you tell me goodbye, then I expect to never see you again. When my grandpa and grandma said goodbye to me and died, they didn't stick around as ghosts and say "Hey, HentaiManOfPeace, guess what? We're still here!" No, they died and I'll never see them again just like I had hoped with your goodbye. Goodbyes are supposed to be definitive, your OP didn't mention how it only applies to the SC2 Mafia arcade community, and I am determined until the very end of my life to see you stick to your word until you're forcefully removed from this community.
Last edited by HentaiManOfPeace; July 5th, 2021 at 12:57 PM.
The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.
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I'm not too sure where you got your education from (maybe DeVry or an equivalent?). But I didn't say that. Instead, I said this:
We know you won't leave, as proven by how you came back here to reply in a holier-than-thou manner just as the rest of us miserable petty sacks playing this game would if we had the emotional fragility of a 4 year old kid before their first day of school.
I mean Day 1 is just useless spam neway and a couple guys smelling their own farts. So I just mixed up the spam game. I could go *Puts spectacles on* *cue inception Music* If you'll notice in Cekos post they used a capital T when they didn't need to. Capital T, what else begins with a capital T? That's right Tylenol, what is Tylenol for? That's right preventing pain without having to see a Doctor. Doctor. What are doctors for? Preventing people from dying to the Mafia at night. Mafia... A common role in a game of Forum Mafia. That's right.... Ceko is Mafia confirmed! *music reaches crescendo* But that kinda stuff is pretty cringe so I chose to mix it up on what I spammed.
Last edited by ZZorange; July 5th, 2021 at 06:33 PM.
The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.
Last edited by Yuesford; July 5th, 2021 at 11:24 PM.
/sign
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
What do my skills have to do with trashing on people who break the rules for being racist and/or gamethrowing? I don't trash people who play poorly. I trash on rulebreakers because it's justified. Just think of me as a victim of these criminals' crimes who can't be bothered to report because it takes too much effort to do so.
And way to go for being toxic. I play SC2 Mafia for fun for a night of destressing after work. Not competitively. That's why you don't see me shitting on people with less than 1:3 winning ratio.
Wow, you must be real fun at parties, you fake troll labeller. I'm not a troll. I love when bad people get their own desserts.
Last edited by HentaiManOfPeace; July 6th, 2021 at 11:06 AM.
I can feel my brain cells committing suicide when I think about turning my comment into a conversation.
Noooooopeee
Listen here, Mr or Mrs. Fake Troll Identifier. I've been an outstanding member of this community since 2019 with no blemishes on my record. I don't hurl racism, gamethrow, or cheat. But I have been a victim of many of these crimes. How dare you label me as a troll. How does it feel to be wrong as per Dunning-Kruger effect?
I didn't use it wrong?
You have high confidence in calling me a troll when in fact I'm not a troll. Therefore, you were at the peak of ignorance before you slowly realized through this dialogue that I'm not a troll and am in fact an outstanding member of this community. So I hope you're feeling really bad about yourself right now.
Get on my naughty list and I'll be dancing when you get banned.
HentaiManOfPeace's level of dedication in his trolling is astounding!
Last edited by OzyWho; July 6th, 2021 at 01:43 PM.
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