Do Admins actually play arcade?

[Veliaire]

The arcade isn't a protected realm of free speech ;). This also isn't Twitter with millions of millions of users interacting with each other over a wide variety of cultural topics. We're MAYBE hundreds that interact over a small game.

Nice try at false equivalency though. If you don't like being banned for voting staff members in a game, don't play. I trust and applaud the arcade staff's decisions to draw the line on what they choose to moderate. Their efforts keep the game playable for the silent majority of users that don't want this distasteful behavior.

And as an added bonus, we get dipsticks to create these asinine "but mah free speech" threads for others to dunk upon. Maybe that should be one of the aspects we promote here on sc2mafia.com

No private entity is a protected realm of free speech. You are missing the point entirely. The entirety of the internet is owned by private companies. There is no place you can go online that isn't owned by someone. However, the internet is how people communicate.. and when you have thousands of different people telling you what you are and are not allowed to say, that has a negative impact on society as a whole.

[theoneceko]

So let me ask you this. Are you going to start banning people for using the words "Faggot" and "Retard", which are also offensive? Or don't those groups deserve the protection of the PC police?

isn't this just wrong??

UWU

[Auwt]

Sigh.

[Stealthbomber16]

Virgin Voss with facts and logic vs CHAD Veliaire unironically dropping the slippery slope fallacy.

I can personally attest to not playing mafia because of the constant racism from the player base. Throughout my time in sc2 I’ve also found many players who have also stopped due to the racism, mostly from playing Cortex with them.

When you eat at a restaurant and the food is bad, you don’t come back. You don’t talk to employees or the management about how the food sucked or whatever. You don’t try and fix the food. You just don’t come back. Have you considered for a moment that there may be a cause and effect link between the fact that lobbies take forever to fill up and the fact that there’s a very vocal minority in the community (and it is well established at this point that you are in a minority) that is actively spamming racist messages and dragging the quality of games down?

Edit: Voss that last post was cringe maybe dont suggest that staff could ban people for voting them

[theoneceko]

Virgin Voss with facts and logic vs CHAD Veliaire unironically dropping the slippery slope fallacy.

I can personally attest to not playing mafia because of the constant racism from the player base. Throughout my time in sc2 I’ve also found many players who have also stopped due to the racism, mostly from playing Cortex with them.

When you eat at a restaurant and the food is bad, you don’t come back. You don’t talk to employees or the management about how the food sucked or whatever. You don’t try and fix the food. You just don’t come back. Have you considered for a moment that there may be a cause and effect link between the fact that lobbies take forever to fill up and the fact that there’s a very vocal minority in the community (and it is well established at this point that you are in a minority) that is actively spamming racist messages and dragging the quality of games down?

Edit: Voss that last post was cringe maybe dont suggest that staff could ban people for voting them

yea that was pretty cringe

[OzyWho]

When you eat at a restaurant and the food is bad, you don’t come back. You don’t talk to employees or the management about how the food sucked or whatever. You don’t try and fix the food. You just don’t come back. Have you considered for a moment that there may be a cause and effect link between the fact that lobbies take forever to fill up and the fact that there’s a very vocal minority in the community (and it is well established at this point that you are in a minority) that is actively spamming racist messages and dragging the quality of games down?

+The fact that someone, Ceko I believe, showed that the exact opposite to be true. (more players playing the Mafia Arcade, relatively to other SC2 Arcades, since the policy change)

[Voss]

Virgin Voss with facts and logic vs CHAD Veliaire unironically dropping the slippery slope fallacy.

I can personally attest to not playing mafia because of the constant racism from the player base. Throughout my time in sc2 I’ve also found many players who have also stopped due to the racism, mostly from playing Cortex with them.

When you eat at a restaurant and the food is bad, you don’t come back. You don’t talk to employees or the management about how the food sucked or whatever. You don’t try and fix the food. You just don’t come back. Have you considered for a moment that there may be a cause and effect link between the fact that lobbies take forever to fill up and the fact that there’s a very vocal minority in the community (and it is well established at this point that you are in a minority) that is actively spamming racist messages and dragging the quality of games down?

Edit: Voss that last post was cringe maybe dont suggest that staff could ban people for voting them

Sorry, I meant to invalidate Veliaire's slippery slope argument. Staff would never ban players for something like that. It would be a ridiculously successful attempt to kill the game quickly.

[theoneceko]

Sorry, I meant to invalidate Veliaire's slippery slope argument. Staff would never ban players for something like that. It would be a ridiculously successful attempt to kill the game quickly.

yea i figured.

joking about it doesn't mean mods will actually do that either

[theoneceko]

anyways, who r u all voting in this election:

biden or trump?

[Stealthbomber16]

@Veliaire

Not only is your argument about “where do we draw the line” completely irrelevant, it’s also well-documented as a poor argument.

From wikipedia

The fallacious sense of "slippery slope" is often used synonymously with continuum fallacy, in that it ignores the possibility of middle ground and assumes a discrete transition from category A to category B. In this sense it constitutes an informal fallacy. In a non-fallacious sense, including use as a legal principle, a middle-ground possibility is acknowledged, and reasoning is provided for the likelihood of the predicted outcome. Other idioms for the slippery slope argument are the thin end/edge of the wedge, the camel's nose in the tent, or If You Give a Mouse a Cookie.

You are completely ignoring the actual realm of reality here, where the mod team just removes players that are egregiously racist… then stops. There’s zero room to draw parallels anywhere else.

[Renegade]

For the record I stopped playing the mod due to the rampant racism. Gets tiring.

[Unknown1234]

When you’re trying to argue free speech should allow racism on sc2mafia

[Veliaire]

When you’re trying to argue free speech should allow racism on sc2mafia

Popular speech doesn't need protection. Its the unpopular speech that does. The speech that makes people uncomfortable.

[Unknown1234]

Popular speech doesn't need protection. Its the unpopular speech that does. The speech that makes people uncomfortable.

I think you just completely missed the point.

What games do you play that let you to be openly racist without consequence? Let me know and I’ll make sure I avoid them.

[theoneceko]

Popular speech doesn't need protection. Its the unpopular speech that does. The speech that makes people uncomfortable.

and usually dehumanizes people by putting them into categories...

[Stealthbomber16]

“My ability to name myself money grubbing jew should be protected.”

I know you think you’re a troll but you really only look stupid dude. Trolls typically make people mad. You’re just making people laugh at you.

[Voss]

I'm personally having a blast here.

[Stealthbomber16]

I'm personally having a blast here.

It’s like watching a car crash.

I hope this thread comes up if this guy is reported again. Whoever processes it PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep these incredible posts in mind.

[Auwt]

Freedom of speech is a right.
Facing consequences for their speaches is a duty that comes with it.

I believe this would fit as an answer to all kind of similar thread.

[DJarJar]

18417 lobbies opened since I created the lobby status tracker bot on 9/28/2020 as of 2:07 pm on 6/8/2021

253 days since then

72.79 lobbies opened per day

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2587 lobbies opened since 5/8/2021

31 days since then

83.5 lobbies opened per day

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about a 15% increase in activity in the past month vs. the full period average.

[DJarJar]

18417 lobbies opened since I created the lobby status tracker bot on 9/28/2020 as of 2:07 pm on 6/8/2021

253 days since then

72.79 lobbies opened per day

---------------------------------------

2587 lobbies opened since 5/8/2021

31 days since then

83.5 lobbies opened per day

-------------------------------

about a 15% increase in activity in the past month vs. the full period average.

or if we look at the past 2 months versus the preceding time:
5192 lobbies since april 8
61 days
85.11 lobbies per day

13225 lobbies sep 28 to april 8
192 days
68.88 lobbies per day

so a 24% increase in activity the past 2 months versus the preceding 7 months

[Veliaire]

or if we look at the past 2 months versus the preceding time:
5192 lobbies since april 8
61 days
85.11 lobbies per day

13225 lobbies sep 28 to april 8
192 days
68.88 lobbies per day

so a 24% increase in activity the past 2 months versus the preceding 7 months

And you attribute that to censorship, and not the fact that school is out and more people are on during the summer? Interesting.

[DJarJar]

And you attribute that to censorship, and not the fact that school is out and more people are on during the summer? Interesting.

school is out? I am pretty sure most high schools are still in session. Colleges would have ended first week of may but I included april 8-may8 here too

[Veliaire]

school is out? I am pretty sure most high schools are still in session. Colleges would have ended first week of may but I included april 8-may8 here too

In my area HS lets out in mid May. Colleges end in may too.

[DJarJar]

And you attribute that to censorship, and not the fact that school is out and more people are on during the summer? Interesting.

you claimed there was, or would be, a decrease in activity. I am not even trying to prove an increase in activity, just showing that you're objectively wrong

[OzyWho]

or if we look at the past 2 months versus the preceding time:
5192 lobbies since april 8
61 days
85.11 lobbies per day

13225 lobbies sep 28 to april 8
192 days
68.88 lobbies per day

so a 24% increase in activity the past 2 months versus the preceding 7 months

Isn't there a possibility that less players = more lobbies?
Like, if there is always only 1 player and he keeps reconnecting.
Or if people keep creating and cancelling upon seeing none's there.

[DJarJar]

Isn't there a possibility that less players = more lobbies?
Like, if there is always only 1 player and he keeps reconnecting.
Or if people keep creating and cancelling upon seeing none's there.

Could be but I was too lazy to code a bot to count only the started games posts. I think ceko’s evidence of the game being in the top 10 is a good support though

[theoneceko]

Could be but I was too lazy to code a bot to count only the started games posts. I think ceko’s evidence of the game being in the top 10 is a good support though

hewwo !!!

[OzyWho]

Could be but I was too lazy to code a bot to count only the started games posts. I think ceko’s evidence of the game being in the top 10 is a good support though

Yah that's fair.

[Renegade]

or if we look at the past 2 months versus the preceding time:
5192 lobbies since april 8
61 days
85.11 lobbies per day

13225 lobbies sep 28 to april 8
192 days
68.88 lobbies per day

so a 24% increase in activity the past 2 months versus the preceding 7 months

Do we have any data over prior year for this time?

Hard to find comparables but even the holiday season was included in the prior period.

Interesting.

[Voss]

You missed responding to my point about Twitter. Twitter is "farther along the slope" than sc2mafia. Is crusading for a small time game more important than defending the rights of the former President of the United States of America?

[Unknown1234]

You missed responding to my point about Twitter. Twitter is "farther along the slope" than sc2mafia. Is crusading for a small time game more important than defending the rights of the former President of the United States of America?

This is just a stepping stone in the big picture. If you can allow racism in sc2mafia, anything is possible! It will set as an example for everything to come.

[Veliaire]

You missed responding to my point about Twitter. Twitter is "farther along the slope" than sc2mafia. Is crusading for a small time game more important than defending the rights of the former President of the United States of America?

Little things add up. The world isn't black and white. Or "Important/Not Important". I never claimed censorship on Blizzard was as important as censoring the president, but it is all connected. The same type of person who would censor someone in an arcade game is the same type of person who would censor the president.. they know what's best for everyone else, and that's the end of it. Maybe those people at Twitter or FB learned to embrace Orwellian censorship at a young age while interacting with different companies online. Over the years we have cultivated a culture of censorship, and its only getting worse.

[Voss]

So... you're crusading on sc2mafia.com to stop the next rise of some Orwellian state. Major kudos.

[Veliaire]

So... you're crusading on sc2mafia.com to stop the next rise of some Orwellian state. Major kudos.

Too late, we're already in it. It wasn't too long ago people were losing their jobs simply for typing #FreePalestine. If you do or say anything that goes against what the big brother deems is socially acceptable, the full force of the PC police will come down on you. That is the world in which we live now, and little pockets of the internet like this only perpetuate the problem.

[Voss]

Too late, we're already in it. It wasn't too long ago people were losing their jobs simply for typing #FreePalestine. If you do or say anything that goes against what the big brother deems is socially acceptable, the full force of the PC police will come down on you. That is the world in which we live now, and little pockets of the internet like this only perpetuate the problem.

I have taken it upon myself to ban all staff members that take inappropriate actions against players who type #FreePalestine. You're welcome.

@Dark.Revenant , it's time to go bud.

[DJarJar]

Too late, we're already in it. It wasn't too long ago people were losing their jobs simply for typing #FreePalestine. If you do or say anything that goes against what the big brother deems is socially acceptable, the full force of the PC police will come down on you. That is the world in which we live now, and little pockets of the internet like this only perpetuate the problem.

There is a difference between israel and jews. I am not sure how "Money-Grubbing Jew" or "im a filthy money grubbing kike" has anything to do with israel or palestine

[Veliaire]

There is a difference between israel and jews. I am not sure how "Money-Grubbing Jew" or "im a filthy money grubbing kike" has anything to do with israel or palestine

-Content removed by voss for being against the board rules-

[DJarJar]

Jews ARE money grubbing. How is that racist to point it out?

wow alrighty

[Oberon]

Maybe I'm tinfoil hatting too hard here but, you said the thought police doesn't let you say FreePalestine? I'm confused, the Democratic Party in the US is a known Palestine supporter (as is the UN), so uh... if anything I think it's the other way around lol

[Veliaire]

Maybe I'm tinfoil hatting too hard here but, you said the thought police doesn't let you say FreePalestine? I'm confused, the Democratic Party in the US is a known Palestine supporter (as is the UN), so uh... if anything I think it's the other way around lol

You'd think so, but the Neoliberal Democrat, PRO WAR party doesn't give a crap about Palestine. They would sooner see it burned to the ground than freed. Just look at what all the establishment types said these past few months. Just look how pro Palestine voices have been silenced in the liberal media. CNN contributor was fired for it a couple of years ago.

Both parties are horrible but the Democrat party is probably the worse. What did Biden do his first 60 days in office? No covid relief, but he made sure to send bombs over to Syria. Its ridiculous... but I'm not going to get into politics here. I don't want this post shut shut down and censored for going off track. There appear to be quite a few admins who are upset by this thread as it stands.

[Renegade]

Butter emails! Freeze Peach!

[Renegade]

Wow trumpkins are really losing it aren't they?

[Veliaire]

Wow trumpkins are really losing it aren't they?

I didn't vote for Trump. I voted 3rd party in 2016 and I voted Biden in 2020 to get Trump out. You don't know what you're talking about... but isn't it just like a neoliberal to respond to criticism by saying "TRUMP BAD"?

EDIT: But lets not get off topic. This isn't a post about politics. I only said what I said in response to Oberon's mention of the Democratic Party.

[Voss]

While I don't agree with this person's ideas, I think banning someone for asking whether the current policy will kill the game is a draconian. And if I can't laugh about the "but mah freeze peach" threads here, it'd probably drive me to leave the site.

Are you making the case that staff in general is too soft on bigoted content, or...?

[theoneceko]

While I don't agree with this person's ideas, I think banning someone for asking whether the current policy will kill the game is a draconian. And if I can't laugh about the "but mah freeze peach" threads here, it'd probably drive me to leave the site.

Are you making the case that staff in general is too soft on bigoted content, or...?

i actually think you're being too hard by not just banning the dude. i thought banning would be easier on everyone interacting with this thread. veli will get pissed, but this is just a freaking game site. just DOING something will make us all move on.

however, it looks like you genuinely want to create discussion here, so--although i find this very hard to grasp--maybe ur not trying to be malicious

[theoneceko]

at least ik mods COULD do something about this.

[Veliaire]

at least ik mods COULD do something about this.

Honestly, If you do not like what I have to say then you are free not to post in my thread. You're welcome to talk about the topic, but talking about how I need to be banned and how you would ban me if you were a mod is not the topic of this thread... but something tells me you came in here with the purpose of stirring up drama. You have absolutely no interest in talking about the topic, as is evident by every one of your posts thus far.

[OzyWho]

Honestly, If you do not like what I have to say then you are free not to post in my thread. You're welcome to talk about the topic, but talking about how I need to be banned and how you would ban me if you were a mod is not the topic of this thread... but something tells me you came in here with the purpose of stirring up drama. You have absolutely no interest in talking about the topic, as is evident by every one of your posts thus far.

Btw, technically speaking, only the Serious Discussions and Debates subforum is protected from trolling. (Though not particularly enforced)

I feel like it's a question of just years for that to change? Maybe not, who can tell..

[Veliaire]

Btw, technically speaking, only the Serious Discussions and Debates subforum is protected from trolling. (Though not particularly enforced)

I feel like it's a question of just years for that to change? Maybe not, who can tell..

He's free to say whatever he wants. I don't need my thread protected from trolls. I just thought that I should say my piece once and get it out of the way. That way when I ignore the rest of his posts he'll know why.