S-FM 327 : Last Hope

[CRichardForumLies]

I'm grading him on his plausibility of being scum. In this case, that's close to 0. Unlike you and Vacron who are actively manipulating this thread by using preconceived opinions about a specific player as a reason for placing them as town or scum.

I feel like Wrath wouldn't make this post about Lagattack and Vacron if this were the solve.
It doesn't make sense for scum to bus this early in game from personal experience.

[CRichardForumLies]

i see @Yuesford is viewing the thread.

hewwo UWOWU, need paopan, UWOWU HEWWO, UWOWU HEWWO UWOWU HEWWO?!?

Oh s*** you're right.
Yuesford if you're village, please make yourself known.
You aren't helping villahe if you're lurking and you randed village.

[CRichardForumLies]

Oh s*** you're right.
Yuesford if you're village, please make yourself known.
You aren't helping villahe if you're lurking and you randed village.

EBWODP: Typo I meant to type village.

[CRichardForumLies]

i see @Yuesford is viewing the thread.

hewwo UWOWU, need paopan, UWOWU HEWWO, UWOWU HEWWO UWOWU HEWWO?!?

In case this wasn't mentioned earlier, Ceko and Yues are not scum/scum if this post is anything to go by.
It would make more sense for scum!Ceko to privately prod Yue to post in thread rather than lurk.
Yet that isn't what happened.

[theoneceko]

-vote vacron

you spelt "Varcron" wrong.

[PQRnHack]

It would make more sense for scum!Ceko to privately prod Yue to post in thread rather than lurk.

Uhh, nope

"The Shadows own a night only chat."

[Yuesford]

Sorry I'm late, I didn't know the game already started. Needed to view 7 pages while playing arcade. Anyways, I'm a confirmed virgin in this mode, and I'm giving it away to you guys.

ANYWAY, I CLAIM DAY 1 VILLAGER! Villager Prots on me (if there's any.)

Also,

-vote zzOrange

I think he's evil.

[Varcron]

Hey, he's done more than the AFKs such as myself

-vote CRichardForumLies

Fair point, but this could be looked at as a pocket of me.

I'm not liking Varcron right now.
They haven't shown signs of trying to solve the game.
-vote Varcron

I'm trying to solve the game, except it's really quite hard when half the people like yourself haven't posted.

My reads list encompassed basically everyone that had posted at the time.

[CRichardForumLies]

Fair point, but this could be looked at as a pocket of me.



I'm trying to solve the game, except it's really quite hard when half the people like yourself haven't posted.

My reads list encompassed basically everyone that had posted at the time.

That's fair.
I'm still not used to this website having no ISO feature.

[CRichardForumLies]

Uhh, nope

"The Shadows own a night only chat."

My point about Ceko/Yues being not partnered is valid still.
Why call them out for lurking in thread if Ceko were scum partners with Yues?
Get my drift?

[Varcron]

Wrath has literally defended Oberon multiple times and labeled two people that labeled Oberon as scum as his top scum picks for "manipulating the town"

The majority of players have been inactive since the Oberon wagon started and there's already one player seemingly fervently defending Oberon for no real good reason

I agree on the diagnosis against Wrath, honestly I'm going to apply a bit of pressure to this

Being a new player I could see him potentially defending his scum buddy, so let's see his defense on this.

-vote WrathCyber

[Varcron]

That's fair.
I'm still not used to this website having no ISO feature.

It makes it a hassle, I feel you.

[Varcron]

Sorry I'm late, I didn't know the game already started. Needed to view 7 pages while playing arcade. Anyways, I'm a confirmed virgin in this mode, and I'm giving it away to you guys.

ANYWAY, I CLAIM DAY 1 VILLAGER! Villager Prots on me (if there's any.)

Also,

-vote zzOrange

I think he's evil.

He literally hasn't posted anything of use, give us a reason as to why you think he is scum.

[CRichardForumLies]

Going to try this.
[UNVOTE]
Lets see if this works.

[Varcron]

Going to try this.
[UNVOTE]
Lets see if this works.

Here's the format for that

-unvote

without the spaces, or

-vote unvote

without the spaces.

[Varcron]

Here's the format for that

-unvote

without the spaces, or

-vote unvote

without the spaces.

Really.... I mean

-unvote

without the dots.... Hopefully that works

[Varcron]

Really.... I mean

-unvote

without the dots.... Hopefully that works

Christ sake

-vote WrathCyber

[theoneceko]

Sorry I'm late, I didn't know the game already started. Needed to view 7 pages while playing arcade. Anyways, I'm a confirmed virgin in this mode, and I'm giving it away to you guys.

ANYWAY, I CLAIM DAY 1 VILLAGER! Villager Prots on me (if there's any.)

Also,

-vote zzOrange

I think he's evil.

u dumbass, u must not realize that villager dies instantly to "Darkness," since they're only level 0.

[PQRnHack]

I'm still not used to this website having no ISO feature.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/misc....posted&t=48770

[Yuesford]

Yes, zzOrange had been quiet for the past few hours. That's my lead!
Anyway, I feel overwhelmed rn. Where are the role cards? XD.

Carry me pls @theoneceko

[CRichardForumLies]

Christ sake

-vote WrathCyber

It's fine.
Thanks for the help.

-vote unvote

[PQRnHack]

My point about Ceko/Yues being not partnered is valid still.
Why call them out for lurking in thread if Ceko were scum partners with Yues?
Get my drift?

To make you think exactly what you think

[theoneceko]

Yes, zzOrange had been quiet for the past few hours. That's my lead!
Anyway, I feel overwhelmed rn. Where are the role cards? XD.

Carry me pls @theoneceko

check ur private messages

[CRichardForumLies]

Also I see NumberTwo has gone AWOL and they don't have much to go on.
Still don't like their post on "taking the bullet".

-vote Numbertwo

[Varcron]

check ur private messages

I hope you arn't implying what I think you're implying saying that.

[theoneceko]

Yes, zzOrange had been quiet for the past few hours. That's my lead!
Anyway, I feel overwhelmed rn. Where are the role cards? XD.

Carry me pls @theoneceko

some ppl haven't even posted yet. are you town who doesn't give a fuck or scum that doesn't give a fuck?? you claim to not even know your role yet. but u were watching this thread several hours ago. don't tell me ur dumb enough that on the second time u haven't figured out ur role even though this is the second time you watched this thread...

[WrathCyber]

here's my take on the newer players who've just joined us:
@Yuesford: seems to hold a grudge against zzOrange, immediately votes him and proceeds to ghost for the rest of the day. He has that happy-go-lucky attitude that is reminiscent of a typical jester play, maybe under a pretense that he's "new". They even proceed to say "Anyway, I feel overwhelmed rn. Where are the role cards? XD." when clearly, he should have known beforehand exactly how FM works. This in itself isn't an issue, except that fact he's clearly read all of our messages(proven by the fact that he's been on this forum page active for more than 2 hours), and copies what I said when I first joined: "I'm feeling overwhelmed". In psychology terms, we call that a Freudian slip. This type of action can only warrant him Shadow, if not Templar.

CRichardForumLies : They've snowballed slowly from 'this is my first FM game' to accusing others immediately. When I scum read this person, it looks to me as if they want to actively contribute- a little too forcefully - as if they seem afraid of being labeled as being scum. They make multiple posts in succession, each with small details. This tells me that they haven't really put much thought into what they've said and are just winging it and adding on details as they go on. This type of play would most closely mock a typical DH ENF play who wants to appease as innocently as possible by contributing to the town's efforts in lynching scum but not outrightly warranting suspicion.

[Yuesford]

You misunderstood @theoneceko

What I meant was where are the role cards of every role in this setup. It only describe my role, but what about the other roles possible in this game..

I'm just not familiar with the interface. I need to check every role cards available in this game. It's like a "check-list" for me, like for every setup before the game begins. I read the role description and their (%).


@WrathCyber

I was not active for 2h+. I was playing the arcade and leaves the tab open. I'll even admit that I didn't read the whole page. I just ctrl+f my username for mentions. You can even check the Discord that I was in every lobby for the past 2 hours. Sorry but I really didn't know how the game works, there was no guide or tips on the page where I signed up for this. I'm currently a low tier player.

[theoneceko]

Christ sake

-vote WrathCyber

yes, i realize that i said varc gets universally scumread every game, but varc's vote on wrath just looks openly scummy. wrath made decent reads; in fact, he looks like a TOWN amici that i played with half a year ago. he's pretty apathetic, but at least he coughs up some info when prodded.

you haven't provided any reason for voting wrath. in fact, you just look like you're sheeping what lagattack and pornhack said about wrath. you look like you're being opportunistic and going for a low-hanging fruit.

wrath still hasn't contributed enough for anyone to make solid reads on him. so why is he ur first vote??

finally, why do you've me as a NEUTRAL read?? i already explained my trolling at the start of day. do u really think i'm a templar signalling to shadow that i want to be leveled up? i've been nothing but towny since i "claimed" elemental magus and sheriff at the same time.

my vote is still on oberon, but i may change it to you later on. wrath is right about you not game-solving.

[theoneceko]

I hope you arn't implying what I think you're implying saying that.

man, most of the reasons ppl scumread me is based on out-of-game communication... gtfo lol.

this has to be the weakest scumpaint i've ever seen.

[theoneceko]

You misunderstood @theoneceko

What I meant was where are the role cards of every role in this setup. It only describe my role, but what about the other roles possible in this game..

I'm just not familiar with the interface. I need to check every role cards available in this game. It's like a "check-list" for me, like for every setup before the game begins. I read the role description and their (%).


@WrathCyber

I was not active for 2h+. I was playing the arcade and leaves the tab open. I'll even admit that I didn't read the whole page. I just ctrl+f my username for mentions. You can even check the Discord that I was in every lobby for the past 2 hours. Sorry but I really didn't know how the game works, there was no guide or tips on the page where I signed up for this. I'm currently a low tier player.

go to the very first post in this thread. click 'Full Setup.'

[Varcron]

yes, i realize that i said varc gets universally scumread every game, but varc's vote on wrath just looks openly scummy. wrath made decent reads; in fact, he looks like a TOWN amici that i played with half a year ago. he's pretty apathetic, but at least he coughs up some info when prodded.

you haven't provided any reason for voting wrath. in fact, you just look like you're sheeping what lagattack and pornhack said about wrath. you look like you're being opportunistic and going for a low-hanging fruit.

wrath still hasn't contributed enough for anyone to make solid reads on him. so why is he ur first vote??

finally, why do you've me as a NEUTRAL read?? i already explained my trolling at the start of day. do u really think i'm a templar signalling to shadow that i want to be leveled up? i've been nothing but towny since i "claimed" elemental magus and sheriff at the same time.

my vote is still on oberon, but i may change it to you later on. wrath is right about you not game-solving.

Oh boy here we go

I honestly think you are templar and that you managed to succesfully pull off that you were "kidding" and gave good townie vibes to signal to be leveled up to the shadows.

Exactly this reason, he has not contributed enough and the stuff he has contributed involved saying that giving extra information was scummy.

What reads? Only read I saw was that I'm scum which of course is of no surprise to anyone, it's a safe read to stay in the towncore.

[CRichardForumLies]

here's my take on the newer players who've just joined us:
@Yuesford: seems to hold a grudge against zzOrange, immediately votes him and proceeds to ghost for the rest of the day. He has that happy-go-lucky attitude that is reminiscent of a typical jester play, maybe under a pretense that he's "new". They even proceed to say "Anyway, I feel overwhelmed rn. Where are the role cards? XD." when clearly, he should have known beforehand exactly how FM works. This in itself isn't an issue, except that fact he's clearly read all of our messages(proven by the fact that he's been on this forum page active for more than 2 hours), and copies what I said when I first joined: "I'm feeling overwhelmed". In psychology terms, we call that a Freudian slip. This type of action can only warrant him Shadow, if not Templar.

CRichardForumLies : They've snowballed slowly from 'this is my first FM game' to accusing others immediately. When I scum read this person, it looks to me as if they want to actively contribute- a little too forcefully - as if they seem afraid of being labeled as being scum. They make multiple posts in succession, each with small details. This tells me that they haven't really put much thought into what they've said and are just winging it and adding on details as they go on. This type of play would most closely mock a typical DH ENF play who wants to appease as innocently as possible by contributing to the town's efforts in lynching scum but not outrightly warranting suspicion.

I think I see where you're coming from regarding Yues.
Not sure if you saw it, though I feel like Ceko calling them out for lurking for hours before posting doesn't look like they're partners.
Also regarding what you said about "this is my first FM game", it's my first game on this website.
I've played Forum Mafia before for over a year.

[Varcron]

man, most of the reasons ppl scumread me is based on out-of-game communication... gtfo lol.

this has to be the weakest scumpaint i've ever seen.

It isn't scumpaint, it's me genuinely hoping that you did not attempt out of game communication in an FM game.

[Varcron]

Oh boy here we go

I honestly think you are templar and that you managed to succesfully pull off that you were "kidding" and gave good townie vibes to signal to be leveled up to the shadows.

Exactly this reason, he has not contributed enough and the stuff he has contributed involved saying that giving extra information was scummy.

What reads? Only read I saw was that I'm scum which of course is of no surprise to anyone, it's a safe read to stay in the towncore.

I take back point 3, I just noticed his take on the 2 new people.

[Lumi]

Hello Ceko how are you?

I'm reading Mistborn which is from the 17th Shard series.

Is that right?
I'll check them out.
Hello PQR. I don't think we've met before.
I notice you don't like NumberTwo and their post about "taking the bullet" is weird, though I'll have to check it out to see if they're more likely to say that as village or scum.

I don't get what you're saying here.
If I said hello to everyone, wouldn't that include saying hello to you as well?
I'll chalk it up to not being able to see body language behind computer screen.

I was just saying you said hello to a couple other people you've just met, but I didn't get any specific greeting, was just joking around.

Hello though, nice to meet you ^^

[theoneceko]

yes, i realize that i said varc gets universally scumread every game, but varc's vote on wrath just looks openly scummy. wrath made decent reads; in fact, he looks like a TOWN amici that i played with half a year ago. he's pretty apathetic, but at least he coughs up some info when prodded.

you haven't provided any reason for voting wrath. in fact, you just look like you're sheeping what lagattack and pornhack said about wrath. you look like you're being opportunistic and going for a low-hanging fruit.

wrath still hasn't contributed enough for anyone to make solid reads on him. so why is he ur first vote??

finally, why do you've me as a NEUTRAL read?? i already explained my trolling at the start of day. do u really think i'm a templar signalling to shadow that i want to be leveled up? i've been nothing but towny since i "claimed" elemental magus and sheriff at the same time.

my vote is still on oberon, but i may change it to you later on. wrath is right about you not game-solving.

oberon has been too scummy to be town, so i'm surprised that @PQRnHack and @CRichardForumLies immediately shifted focus from him.

[Varcron]

CRichardForumLies : They've snowballed slowly from 'this is my first FM game' to accusing others immediately. When I scum read this person, it looks to me as if they want to actively contribute- a little too forcefully - as if they seem afraid of being labeled as being scum. They make multiple posts in succession, each with small details. This tells me that they haven't really put much thought into what they've said and are just winging it and adding on details as they go on. This type of play would most closely mock a typical DH ENF play who wants to appease as innocently as possible by contributing to the town's efforts in lynching scum but not outrightly warranting suspicion.

You misinterpreted his post, previously he said it was his first game on the site, not first FM game in general.

Bad reason to scumread someone, some people think of stuff after they post and quickly type up a followup; like myself.

You're right here, he does appear like he wants to fit in and I can see your POV on this; however I think the better plan would be to keep an eye on him rather than saying "OMG he's doing this so he's scum" and get his back up. Keep in mind we still have lots of time.

[Varcron]

Current vote count just as a drop here:

WrathCyber (1 [L-7]):
Varcron

Oberon (3 [L-5]):
OzyWho, theoneceko, LagAttack

theoneceko (1 [L-7]):
Numbertwo

LagAttack (2 [L-6]):
Oberon, blinkskater

Numbertwo (1 [L-7]):
CRichardForumLies

ZZorange (1 [L-7]):
Yuesford

I'm interested in that we have lots of small votes, and a larger train. Personally this could be indicative of a team, however I don't think it's late enough in the day to be able to tell.

[Yuesford]

@theo neneko

Thanks! I didn't know the "full setup" on page 1 was clickable.
You guys don't need to overthink about me. I'm actually new to FM as a whole. I never tried anything like this before.
But yeah, it feels like not talking is the best way to play this game lol.

[Yuesford]

@theo neneko

Thanks! I didn't know the "full setup" on page 1 was clickable.
You guys don't need to overthink about me. I'm actually new to FM as a whole. I never tried anything like this before.
But yeah, it feels like not talking is the best way to play this game lol.

[CRichardForumLies]

@theo neneko

Thanks! I didn't know the "full setup" on page 1 was clickable.
You guys don't need to overthink about me. I'm actually new to FM as a whole. I never tried anything like this before.
But yeah, it feels like not talking is the best way to play this game lol.

Not talking isn't a good strategy if you're town.
If you don't talk, we can't figure out your alignment without flipping you.

[theoneceko]

Current vote count just as a drop here:

WrathCyber (1 [L-7]):
Varcron

Oberon (3 [L-5]):
OzyWho, theoneceko, LagAttack

theoneceko (1 [L-7]):
Numbertwo

LagAttack (2 [L-6]):
Oberon, blinkskater

Numbertwo (1 [L-7]):
CRichardForumLies

ZZorange (1 [L-7]):
Yuesford

I'm interested in that we have lots of small votes, and a larger train. Personally this could be indicative of a team, however I don't think it's late enough in the day to be able to tell.

unfortunately for you, everyone that voted oberon is town. lag and oberon are my strongest townreads. in fact, YOU listed them as your strongest townreads!:

Town:
Varcron
LagAttack



Townish:
Blink (Good point on the complaining about reading being scum points, coasting now though which is why he’s here rather than full town)
Ozy

Templar/Neutral
Ceko #54/55 (Leaning more Neutral then templar, I have mixed feelings)
Wrath (hasn't given me enough to go off of)

Scumish
Oberon (Yet again mixed feelings, leaning more to the scummish side than neutral though)


Scum
The AFK Lurkers (This is going to change, not enough people have spoken)

All the people that I can remember that have posted so far.

lag is your top townread besides you and ozywho is tied for second blink. in other words, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

i'm rly starting to think you're pocketing oberon. anyone who analyzes what u said about the "larger train" being indicative of a scum team will realize that's almost exactly what oberon said

[Varcron]

unfortunately for you, everyone that voted oberon is town. lag and oberon are my strongest townreads. in fact, YOU listed them as your strongest townreads!:



lag is your top townread besides you and ozywho is tied for second blink. in other words, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

i'm rly starting to think you're pocketing oberon. anyone who analyzes what u said about the "larger train" being indicative of a scum team will realize that's almost exactly what oberon said

I did list them as my top town reads, you're right, and I stand by that *for now*.

Pocketing Oberon would be a dumb decision seeing as he's the top scum read by everyone here.

[theoneceko]

oberon made zero sense this game, so i don't get why you're echoing his sentiments. i can't see why you would do this as town.

[Varcron]

i'm rly starting to think you're pocketing oberon. anyone who analyzes what u said about the "larger train" being indicative of a scum team will realize that's almost exactly what oberon said

Re read what I said, hell, I'll even highlight what I want you to re-read

I'm interested in that we have lots of small votes, and a larger train. Personally this could be indicative of a team, however I don't think it's late enough in the day to be able to tell.

Never once did I say that it for certain was, I just threw the possibility out there as part of my thought process.

[Varcron]

Re read what I said, hell, I'll even highlight what I want you to re-read



Never once did I say that it for certain was, I just threw the possibility out there as part of my thought process.

I meant to quote you in the second part, not myself

[CRichardForumLies]

Current vote count just as a drop here:

WrathCyber (1 [L-7]):
Varcron

Oberon (3 [L-5]):
OzyWho, theoneceko, LagAttack

theoneceko (1 [L-7]):
Numbertwo

LagAttack (2 [L-6]):
Oberon, blinkskater

Numbertwo (1 [L-7]):
CRichardForumLies

ZZorange (1 [L-7]):
Yuesford

I'm interested in that we have lots of small votes, and a larger train. Personally this could be indicative of a team, however I don't think it's late enough in the day to be able to tell.

Ok so if you think it's "indicative of a team", which team do you have in mind?

[theoneceko]

In case this wasn't mentioned earlier, Ceko and Yues are not scum/scum if this post is anything to go by.
It would make more sense for scum!Ceko to privately prod Yue to post in thread rather than lurk.
Yet that isn't what happened.

i don't get why you're trying to townclear me here. im literally in no danger of being voted, let alone lynched

"Ceko can be a village lean"

"Ceko is village trying to solve"

we all know this, except varc apparently

[Yuesford]

So this "Oberon" guys is suspicious based from what I've been reading so far. I'm ff theoneneko from now. He seemed like a townie

-unvote

-vote Oberon