There is nothing inherently wrong with sheeping a vote if you have belief or trust in other voting players and I'm totally okay being in a PoE lynch pool but again right now there are bigger fish to fry.
There is nothing inherently wrong with sheeping a vote if you have belief or trust in other voting players and I'm totally okay being in a PoE lynch pool but again right now there are bigger fish to fry.
Spoiler : Quote for peoples referance :
Being annoyed about how the carol went is very understandable given how today played out and the mess Oberon made out of it all.
I feel like its pretty genuine and that post reinforces my belief that he really is the Carroler. He does make an interesting point on specifically wanting to target the Consort with Varcron being likely Janitor if scum. I have suspected SuperJack for pretty much the entire game but if I voted anywhere other than Varcron it would be on Renegade after that suspicious read drop and run he just pulled.
And dear @Helz perhaps I was reaction testing you? My reaction was by, but your reaction was "if u scumread me ur scum" typical stuff I've seen around here.
@PQRnHack sure chirped up as well.
Lol. No. I could totally see someone thinking I would be aligned with Oberon and Varcon given I pushed counterwagon Varcon D2, would favor you or Superjacks lynch today over Varcon, and where I voted on Mike when he pushed for a mass claim while Obe/Mike were 1v1 earlier today. That part of it makes sense.
Putting PQRnHack in that pool makes absolutely no sense to me and Superjack has hardly played. If I were to make a Obe/Varcon 3rd person list I would throw quite a few names in it before either of those two which makes me feel like you just grabbed names out of a hat. Weather or not you were 'Frozen' or 'Reaction testing' is a question of WIFOM but weather or not you actually had a thought process behind what you voiced there can be reflected by you explaining.
Yes, yes I do.
Town:
Varcron
Ozy
Helz
Town lean:
Ren (still potential scum though)
Blink (same as Ren in this)
Null/Still Deciding
SJ
Oberon
Bake
Neutral:
As much as I still don't like it, Mike
Scum Lean:
PNQ
Third scum is obviously between the current CC, my current hard scum after re reading and un hard tunneling Mike would be PNQ, with teammates likely being between Bake/Oberon and Blink/Ren. Logically based off of the teaming I'd like to think that it would be PNQ/Blink however seeing as I don't think blink is that stupid to do that as scum, I'd be more inclined to think PNQ/Ren/ one of the other two in the pair.
As usual if I forgot someone mention me and I'll add you into the list, I have a habit of forgetting people in my lists.
A thought occurred to me just now.
If Oberon is scum he could be Janitor. It would make sense that he did not go wild until after the Janitor charge was used...
Not that it really matters but its notable enough to mention.
The problem with only using that to read him is we had the same sort of thing with Martin in his first game (if you played with him)
Very helpful attempting to solve for town, active, townread by everyone
Then at the end of the game he won as scum because he fooled everyone.
Well a scum Janitor would very much want to stay alive until his charge was used. If a scum player was going to take a risk they would want to have that done prior to taking those risks.
You could equally argue his actions make sense for an actress (which is more probable than heartbreaker as Mike pointed out) but the timing of the Janitor charge used and Oberon going batshit wild lines up.
Its a potential. I was the same when I started playing. Some people just have that nature to them.
I have also considered the potential that this being his 2nd game could be a deception although I find that less likely given he came from the mod and if he was to get into forum mafia that it would make sense for him to start by playing here.
He would've stayed alive either way seeing as the attention for the past day was on me. It wouldn't necessarily have mattered.
Most of the mod tricky tactics work here if applied correctly, it's just you have to be in a certain mindset to use them.Originally Posted by Helz
His interaction D1 with Blink/Mike made me inclined to scumread him with all three of them riding off eachother on my lynch. It didn't seem like a natural progression and I still believe that the sudden townread was really quite strange. Not a great reason except seeing where things are at I think my suspicion could be correct.
Stole this from Mike's post and edited the bakermir d2 vote to be on Numba2 correctly.
Spoiler : votes :
D1 - Helz skips, SJ Absent, and PHack on bakermir
D2 - Helz on Number2, SJ Absent, PHack on Varcron
D3 - Helz nothing yet, SJ on Oberon, PHack on Varcron
I believe there is enough evidence to exclude everyone else as scum, so right now this is my box.
If PHack is scum, his votes on Varcron are simple bussing.
If Helz is scum, vote on Number 2 is the msot telling
If SJ is scum, he is flying extremely UTR.
I could see that. I felt the same way about your D2 train as I do on this one. Outside of me being comfortable with the alignments of the people on it I don't see why you are read as scummier than Oberon, Renegade or Superjack. Out of my PoE pool I would place you 4th out of 5 personally.
At the same time I don't view that progression as aligned scum. On D2 RVS still had not been broken and a lynch had to happen. I truly wish I would have followed Bakermir that day on Obe but nothing can be done about that now. In my notes N2 my read on you was "Low fucks given very slight town."
Can you explain The Green?.
You are acting with Kindness and Gratitude in your posts and it intrigues me, you could easily say what you want without the added good hearted attitude.
What is the Psychological ideal and effect this causes that you believe?
I can't open you up like I do others.
So this is a new approach.
Anything a player says holds value post-flip. Slightly less so in a game with an Actor but one significant town indicator I have found is in line with motivation. When someone is going to get lynched I am much more comfortable with their lynch when I see them exclusively focus on survival. I have found town are more prone to want to push their reads especially when I put it on their mind that their flip will add weight to what they say.
Me being nice psychologically is part of the "Mutt and Jeff" technique of interrogation (more commonly known as good cop bad cop.) It builds trust with a suspect leveraging their primal desire for protection from a threat making them more cooperative and fostering a desire for the suspect to please the 'Good cop.'
I could probably ramble on quite a bit on this subject but its part of something I worked on last two years where I started studying professional interrogation techniques to use their parallel in mafia games. In this specific situation I am triangulating reads with because I do not really scum read him and I want his perspective on my reads to help me avoid letting a wolf out of my PoE. From what he has said though his voiced positioning of PQrNHack over anyone else could represent a gap between his portrayed read and his reasoning which has made me slightly more comfortable with the lynch.
I just read day two again and I notice some things that pinged me
This isn't where i parked my car.....
Auwt
Possibilities: Citizen, Sleepwalker, Caroler/List-Maker/Ornamentalist/Merry
If Auwt was a TPR this means scum will be free to claim a TPR without the fear of counterclaim. Tip: Lookout for happy Claimers.
Since scum took one day extra to clean there is a good chance the scum know Auwts role and could very easily now fake claim, and spend the night planning out the claims/plan.
It makes 0 sense for Auwt to of been night killed as their major scum read was me, and they would of been an easy person to lynch after MM dying who was scum reading Auwt.
So its more likely to of been a TPR.
Unless scum felt their Janitor was underthreat the next day. Varcron was nearly lynched and that would explain it if Auwt was citizen
Yeah, First thing I did was evaluate if I really would push against your lynch and I figured out I couldn't justify doing as much. Im confident I would have pushed on Renegade in that situation though.
Sorry for the subtle psychological manipulation. I kinda do it without thinking at this point to be honest.
40 mins left so I'm placing my vote
-vote Varcron
Likely at least two scum voting me, keep that in mind when I flip.
Varcron is at L1
Could someone back off for a bit for hammer control?
Lots of people are on and valuable content could be generated in the next 40 minutes.
-unvote
Fine then
I can confirmed Blink is not mafia 100%
Blink owns mine and Lights votes that is 3 votes. if he was mafia his partners make up 2 more that is 5 votes.
they only need one town to vote one town and Hammer time. To that 100% confirms Blink as Lock town And Me as Netral and light as neutral.
Town MEdic you have to be Healing me tonight 100% Light you have to be shielding Blink 100% tonight. If me blink light are dead tonight Then that means anyone Claiming town Medic is 100% Fake.
Auwt could have been the medic IE why mafia killed him. Only Mafia know if he was or night
Medic Do not out.
Now if we are dead that confirms awut role was MEdic
If we are alive that confirms Medic was alive.
MM was 100% not the medic.
This is important info to remember for tomorrow.
Do Not open this spoiler under any condition!!!!!!!
Spoiler : :
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Helz, blinkskater, Light_Yagami+, Mike, Renegade, SuperJack+, Varcron
Varcron (4 [L-2]):
blinkskater, Light_Yagami, Mike, PQRnHack
Mike (1 [L-5]):
Varcron
SuperJack (1 [L-5]):
Oberon
Oberon (1 [L-5]):
bakermir
Renegade (1 [L-5]):
OzyWho
(Note Renegade only not voting for hammer control)
No apology needed, it was not you, it was me. And I also apologize to the hosts and players. It was entirely my fuck up. I was looking for the post with 2 statements, completely spacing out that it was 2 statements in a post of like 8 or so statements. And as I did ISO search, I totally skipped over the same-numbered post all along. This morning I woke up with a fresh (and sober) mind and I was like wow, I'm a dipshit and a moron. My bad lol. In return for my mistake, I will vote for you in this upcoming election that ends in a couple hours.
As I thought. I've done it before. You always tend to find that when kind to others, they end up sending it back to you.
You have to judge weather or not your target knows what you are attempting to do. A clever scum would do their best to give you the most corrupted opinions they can give without being caught.
Do you craft your posts purposely to resonate with specific people, targeting their pinpoints to try and get a more Emotional response? As rash reactions tend to be either the most honest, or the least thought out.