A scumreads B, then B scumreads A just for scumreading B. OMGUS is scummy with inexperienced players because it's opportunistic and reactionary, which is how everyone plays their first like 20 scum games
or A scumreads B, then B scumreads A with impossibly weak reasoning. The weak reasoning stems from the conscious decision to scumread before evidence is gathered. When you already reach the conclusion of scumreading and then proceed to work backward, the justification can often come off as weak. When you first gather evidence and THEN decide to scumread, the justification often seems stronger.
Marshmallow Marshall (2 [L-2]):
WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam, Numbertwo
Oberon (1 [L-3]):
SuperJack
SuperJack (2 [L-2]):
Oberon, Marshmallow Marshall
WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam (1 [L-3]):
FrostByte
current votes for the record =)
My braincells are committing suicide one by one
isn't it mechanically better to lynch numbertwo here though? it is either him or we lynch a tpr claim and I would rather not lynch a tpr claim when we can lynch a citizen/maf since the game isn't ending lol this will force mafia to shoot FB or TPR's tonight and they are better off not shooting a tpr because that would spew a lot of slots while on the other hand shooting FB isn't gonna give town any info. it is win/win for tpr's and it will be up to last townie to 50% 50% from tpr's vs mafia if both alive
do you only want SJ gone? who is their partner if not numbertwo here? is it frostbyte? ozy/efe?
I guess, we could pick from Oberon/SJ/MM because if a citizen here didnt fake claim then we got 1 mafia for sure but the problem with this is we don't know how many scum are in there with people like me fb ozy number2 alive and there were a lot of claims and recants so far i can't keep track of who is who anymore. our tpr's will fully claim tomorrow anyway and also keep your lw's updated
top townreads are usually good NK targets imo like why are you alive and TR'd by all? looks like bad news to me man LOL you either get shot tonight or lose L-3 if we lynch correct today/tomorrow so you as a mafia need town to ML twice for a win. as town, you will be dead because mafia have no reason to keep you alive, you will just vote them out if they kill a tpr
That is correct, and I do not intend to claim any of these, because I do not have anything relevant to the discussion to say; therefore, any additional info I would reveal would only benefit scum. My claim has served its purpose for town: show that one of Oberon and you, SJ, has to be scum.
All of this excludes the scum!SJ world. While it is not completely crazy to exclude scum!SJ from town!SJ's perspective, it isn't either from scum!SJ's, and it gives a very incomplete view of the situation. If scum!SJ, we have sheriff!Oberon and TPR!MM (this can be safely assumed by everyone, given how I was not CCed), without any Framer shenanigans involved. It is far from being an element to exclude, so we have to work with them too.
I will.
SJ isn't really right, though. Waiting half the day to reveal that you got a red check on someone both wastes everyone's time and ruins your credibility as a sheriff, significantly increasing your odds of getting lynched (or simply of not getting listened to).
I'm not sure why Oberon would have to be GF to be scum. He's very likely not scum anyway, so it doesn't matter much, but still.
Well, scum!SJ's plan wouldn't be too bad if it hadn't been of sheriff!Oberon's check, which scum!SJ couldn't predict, so it makes some sense. On the other hand, scum!Oberon's plan is ridiculously bad and results at best in a 1-1 trade in all scenarios.
There are two TPRs in the game. SJ claimed Detective. Oberon claimed Sheriff. Since I'm TPR, I have to claim TPR in order to show that one of SJ and Oberon is necessarily scum, assuming I'm town, obviously. I wouldn't have a reason to claim TPR like this if I were scum, it would be pointless and suicidal. I would instead just let the SJ-Oberon things happen.
That being said, since I do not have any critical information to share, claiming my exact role is pointless, because it does not help define a PoE, which means it only helps scum know who to kill. Therefore, I will not claim my exact role, despite SJ's request.
So me having a life before EoD in general is fine, but when I say something against you, I am suddenly not allowed to have a life anymore and become scummy? That is OMGUS: an unfounded and systematic attack against someone who pushes you.
Note that saying "only town deal in OMGUS" is utterly false: scum can and will do that to deflect pressure unto their attacker. What is towny is when some kind of tunnel vision installs, obviously flawed arguments that will not convince anyone begin to fly around, etc. That is not what I'm seeing here.
why do I get consig vibes from SJ and not detective
Its almost 3 am in the morning for me :/
Nope, because you could dismiss it as a failed gambit and get out of trouble. The only thing that messed with scum!SJ's plans here is that he got found it by Oberon, and that's something scum!SJ couldn't predict or prevent. Hence why I think you're scum :P
I guess I'm a little biased because from my PoV, I cannot be framer, but I 100 % agree with this and would agree even if I didn't 100 % know about my alignment, simply because there are conflicting claims and because the odds of SJ getting framed are not huge, in addition to the high compatibility between my two scumreads, Ozy/Efe and SJ.
I worry about MM's position in their claim. I have no doubt that Oberon can be stubborn and ignorant enough to consider I can see MM knowing that and using this opportunity to get two towns lynched by fake claiming it.
Mix that in with their no-claim. If they are a doctor they die, if they are escort claiming has no effect, sheriff and detective also won't matter because I am also a detective.
Their interactions with Ozy also put me on edge.
Yet they are more likely town than Oberon.
To answer your question directly, no, it's absolutely not better to do that: we have one mislynch left, so we ought to solve the conflicting claims situation before we risk a mislynch. Plus, I have no idea about why in the world we would lynch Numbertwo over anyone else. He hasn't been towny, but he hasn't really been scummy either, and there is an all-dressed scumteam ready to lynch right now (SJ + Ozy/Efe). Even in the event you don't agree with my world-building, you cannot omit the fact that one of the TPR claims is necessarily scum, and we have to solve this right now, not to lynch into the pool of unknowns.
You really think people are that stupid to let me fake claim, lynch someone with it, and still think I'm town?
I'm sorry what are you taking?
And you can't see Oberon panicked reaction? Their delayed posts and reactions to the claims I suggested and made that is easily explained as a scum trying to figure out their next move?
Oberon assumed I visited them and panicked. And then has spent all day tunneling me and ignoring anything that doesn't involve me.
That isn't town, that is desperate need of self-presevation.
Not really; it'd be a 1-1 claim if I were actually framer, because if you get lynched (which I am strongly pushing for) and flip town, chances are I'm the one who's getting called out for being a framer, not Mag because his play would be too retarded if he were scum.
The fact that you're keeping both doors this open about lynching either Mag or me tells me you're unwilling to close any door in fear it would be the one misguided townies would choose, because you only want to survive, not to find the scum. If you are town, I will be very surprised, at this point.
Wait a fucking minute lol @Numbertwo YOUR VOTE IS STILL ON ME, BUT OBERON WAS JOKING, SO TAKE IT OFF XD
What are your thoughts on the SJ-Oberon situation?
No. I think by not claiming who had done what, you left the door wide open for you to say "Oh it was just a dumb gambit guys, sorry! I'm actually citizen".
Also, spending the day tunneling your red check makes sense :P. I don't see anything scummy about what Mag is doing, and as I already said multiple times, scum!Oberon would be completely retarded, while scum!SJ is perfectly possible. That's enough of an explaination for me.
I'm suspecting you because you are so heavy and dead set on me because I can't fathom how the fuck you can't see that Oberon is scum and that I'm exactly what I've always said I am, and how incredibly retarded I would be to be scum and claim Defective on day 1, if I had to fake claim anything on D1 as scum it would be sheriff, because I could then claim framers or godfathers and shit.
I don't know who's stupid stance to believe more.