You seem very apologetic.
Now I know as scum I can tend to be very apologetic
But I don’t know your Scum Meta well enough to know if that’s a tell for you or not.
Doesn’t matter anyway, as I can figure it out eventually.
The train on Samson practically got to L1. We await their reply.
In the meantime I will prepare @Bahkieh
Can help it I'm Hooked on a Feeling.
-vote Bahkieh
Since I'm an emergency sub I wasn't super keen on joining in the first place but I was needed so here I am. That means however that I cannot really be arsed to read up on D1 when I'd rather have you guys sum it up for me. I think that'll not only help me but also help you put D1 in perspective. So let's try:
1. In summary, what was the reason for voting out yzb? What made him scummier than others?
2. What are the key arguments that happened during D1 that will persist into D2?
3. Are there any claims or findings that I should know about?
Anyone is free to respond to these points but specifically I'd love to hear from @SuperJack , @S-FM Magoroth and @Marshmallow Marshall .
Lets start with why people replaced out:
Paul replaced out because they got too emotionally invested in the roleplay, they was the first replacement and was replaced by Samson
Leto II got replaced out for being to aggressive with their personal attacked. Their replacement is Varcron
Hybrid Richard Dawkins had their Hybrid removed due to a disagreement between themselves, the account used to be ???? and SuperJack, and has now just been replaced by SuperJack
SamsungLyssa was replaced by NoctiZfor being inactive.
Will work on the other questions inbetween killing my child and destroying the complicated pram construction.
I somewhat agree that Martin is weird (dunno, he posted a lot early on and nothing stood out to me) and quiet since a little while, but I don't see how that excludes him from the lynch pool, especially considering how lurkers were in SJ's pool. This was a question at SJ about his reasons for putting Martin out of the lynch pool, which doesn't seem justified to me.
1. He made an incoherent list of reads with strange reads and incoherent stances: he sheeped Helz, a "null/town" read of his, onto an inactive (Samsung), instead of voting his claimed scumreads (chiefly SJ). He didn't really have points going for him, and seemed generally awkward.
2. Uhh... science vs religion?
More seriously, I'd say the key arguments are pretty much... gone. There was SJ and Samson's slots before replacements occured, but that was mostly about trolling (science vs religion, as I said). The rest is mostly pushing at those who haven't been inactive and yet didn't post meaningful content, and drawing conclusions from Yzb's flip, I think.
3. Nope, at least not anymore. Wisp claimed God in the middle of D1 and smote Greyswandir.
@NoctiZ
Grayswandir
Grey caught out YZB with a scum slip within the first page or two. Has been voted by MM & Leto. Leto voted them for talking about wifom with playstyle, MM voted them for talking about power role wifom post YZB slip.
Most of Greys future posts are in a heated debate between Hybrid (SJ & ????) To the point where Wisp (God) shot Grey mostly to cut out greys thought about replacing out.
Grey suggests that Paul is scum for roleplaying and then stopping the RP as soon as they where questioned.
Grey also suggested that Paul is scum a couple of times.
Grey initially believes that Hybrid is scum but later realises that its TvT.
Grey had some interaction with Martin, I didn't get much from it.
Grey flips town. Which is exactly what Dark Magician said he would do. Which was pointed out by Helz.
SuperJack also said that Grey was town before they flipped.
@NoctiZ
yzb25
yzb25 was a Demon (Scum) which is the least powerful of the 3 scum roles (Basically a mafioso)
yzb25 was lynched by Marshmallow Marshall, MartinGG99, Wiisp (God), Helz (Human Priest).
Dark Magician also had a failed vote on yzb25 (voted for yzb instead)
Living Players that never voted yzb25: Dark Magician(Failed vote), Superjack, SamsungLyssa, (Paul)Samson, S-FM Magoroth, Bahkieh
SuperJack tried to heavily defend Yzb25 and save them from the lynch by attempting to lynch Bahkieh rather than the easier alternative Dark Magician
Spoiler : List of votes on YZB :
Yzb25 spent a good deal of the game scumreading SuperJack, but failed to gather any traction with that attempt. The only other people to vote SuperJack (Hybrid) was Samson, Marshmallow Marshall and Dark Magician
YZB was read and lynched as scum for slipping, sheeping, posting weird stuff about feeling, claiming to take a stance but not acting on it
Here are some interactions and reads for YZB:
None with Bahkieh
None with Samson
S-FM Magoroth
Spoiler : S-FM Magoroth YZB Posts :
Leto II/Varcron
Spoiler : Varcron & Leto II & YZB25 :
SuperJack (Hybrid)
Spoiler : SuperJack & YZB25 :
To be Continued later.................
Not sure why your including yourself but alright.
Did Samson ever show that he TR Grey earlier?
That's a pretty comprehensive summary so far SJ, thanks a lot. And cheers to MM for his summary as well. Helps me get a good feel for the situation so far. I'll need to take some time to read these posts again. At a first glance it seems kinda wasted that Grayswandir was shot if they were the one to call out yzb's scum slip but it is what it is.
Wisp killed grey cause grey got into a huff and puff because they was being teased by HybridSuperJack and wasn't to happy with a very small amount of pressure on them, and they was scum reading wisp a little I think.
So wisp killed them for that.
Grays notice on YZBs scum slip was forgotten about as it was at the start of the game.
And I use to play Yu-Gi-Oh but don’t really play any card game anymore.
Although I’d love to remake Chaotic (my way) and make new cards.
Mago wanted you lynched. And wouldn't even move their vote onto scum, why are you giving them a townread?
I can get with MM.
With Bah and Sam have you got any posts from them that might indicate they are scum, or are they just easy for you to point at because they are inactive?
Hiya, glad that you're subbing in and not letting the game die.
1. From my perspective, and recollection, it seemed like yzb's first in depth post made people think he was being too self-aware to be town. Also, Helz advocated to follow the confirmed town Wiisp at the time, as that's the only train we could trust.
2. I have notes, but they're really only useful for me. It seems like we just barely yeeted yesterday, and there was a tie at one point. Ah yes, Dark Magician and YZB were tied at one point in the critical hours of ED, and SuperJack refused to get on scummy DM train. So Either YZB, SJ, and DM are the scum, or SJ is good. I think it's the latter.
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post917988
MM was also on that YZB train, so that's something I'd go back and look at why he was on in the first place. and I also have trouble finding flailing yzb trying to push the vote onto his scum partner, so I guess I think DM is good.
Thanks for this question, it's made me rethink the game state and who's probably town.
3. No claims as far as I can tell, everyone that claimed is dead.
I answered Noctiz' question before I answered it myself. SJ puts my answer to shame.
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While I don't disagree with SJ's characterization of my lack of voting on YZB, I thought YZB was town and that's why I refused to vote them. However, I did see the point of Helz's "Yzb is objectively the best train bc it's not scum led". That's another reason why I didn't want to get onto the Bahkeih train. Scum Mag trying to save YZB would have tried any train, including Bahkeih. Especially since the evidence against YZB was a lot of "lets follow wiisp". A town flipping Bahkeih would have been been defensible as a policy yeet.
Btw peeps.
Soul Probe Angel is practically a cop now. You have a 66% chance in scum if you get your/Satan/antichrist or 100% citizen angel the other.
Angel Knight cant kill. Unless they kill a town player. (Please don't kill, you will either hit a townie or find a scum and have no way to prove you did, I can only assume you would shoot someone if you thought them scum so instead just push and explain to lynch)
Guardian Angel got dem heals and fails to save Helz.
(Stay hidden and heal me)
Counsellor Angel is probably useless because if they did exist they would of tried to link to Helz but now Helz is dead.
Also can we place votes. earlier this time. No one should not be voting. Put one on with an explanation of your scum read on them, there are two scum alive so if your first choice is at L-2 put your second.
We can do L1 and even lynch if needed, if they give nothing at L-2.
@NoctiZ
@MartinGG99
@Samson
@S-FM Magoroth
@Bahkieh
And set a reminder for February 19th at 11:00 PM GMT since that's lynch day.
Samson would have been my target yesterday, and i'm still good with eliminating them, but the kills on Helz and Wiisp indicate that scum consists of someone that's paying attention to the game. Thanks for making me rethink my reads a little bit, SJ
My reads
Magoroth
SuperJack
Dark Magician
MM
Vacaron
SamsungLissa(which is now Noctiz?)
Bahkeih
Samson
Martin
-vote MartinGG99
I'd also sheep SJ onto Bahkeih
And yeh. If scum had no idea about the game and wanted to pick. It would take them 2 minutes to pick Wisp and Helz. Also it's a day and night chat. YZB could easily during the day make the suggestions.
I agree that in general it'd be a no-brainer to kill Wisp to eliminate god and then pick Helz because he's a strong player. I would however look closely at Helz's opinions first. If I were scum and he exhibited opinions of general distrust towards me or my mates then I'd definitely kill Helz. But would I still do it if I felt he was inclined to think of me as town? Might be worth researching tbh. But I'm too fried to do research now.
R.I.P Thread.
We have 3 weeks and it's a weekday. it's fine.
Let's not spam the thread with "dead game" shit. It's not dead, and saying it is is a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Sorry, It’s just Boredom.