@yzb25
How do you feel about Dark Magician?
And if you are town keep in mind that if you are lynched you will be confirmed town. Is there any specific read you would like to push that we should look at after the potential post flip?
@yzb25
How do you feel about Dark Magician?
And if you are town keep in mind that if you are lynched you will be confirmed town. Is there any specific read you would like to push that we should look at after the potential post flip?
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Yzb25:
A lot of focus on players aversion and what they do not answer
A lot of pushing in unpopular directions having pushed on both Superjack and MM with original reasoning. Looks to be in every direction with him even calling out my characterization of Martins read wall as unfair.
His read wall seems consistent with his behavior.
His focus on player activity is consistently voiced throughout the thread so his vote on Lyssa makes sense in that respect
Yzb Train Progression:
It appears Yzb25's train got real when SJ pushed him for his pressure vote on Lyssa after his read wall. MM then voiced the same logic adding pressure. Then Varcron called out Yzb's reads list as 'sticking random stuff to random people with very thin reasoning'. Then Martin pushed against Yzb's reasoning for town reading him in his read wall. MM then called attention to Yzb a few times and Wiisp expresses desire to lynch Yzb over DM.
Overall I don't really agree with the reasoning on his train but multiple of my town reads drew the same conclusions on him so that is something I have to consider. The positions he takes and the confidence he voices does line up nicely with his reads list which makes me feel it is genuine given that is difficult to fake organically.
Dark Magician:
Lots of LHF Potential
Some focus on how other read him
Lots of taking stances without reasoning
If scum lots of shallow WIFOM plays to include requesting to be mechanically checked
A large portion of his posts feel more like 'hanging out' than solving the game
I think the only original point I saw him make was pointing out 2 players were not likely to be W/W after they had an interaction..
Overall between DM and Yzb25 I would favor a DM lynch although it goes against my town reads reads which I dislike. I simply do not see game solving effort from DM and the majority of his posts are between self pres and hanging out with the game related posts just taking stances without analysis.
Poking around I can not shake the feeling that there is exactly 1 wolf between Superjack and MM. Its been growing on me for some time and also plays into me favoring DM over Yzb with both slots pushing Yzb.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Oh yeah. I forgot to point this out
If day smite flips town this potentially flat out came from an informed perspective and is a hard slip. It suggests he knew the player was town and didn't realize the host did not flip yet. I will probably do my best to cram his lynch down the towns throat D2 if we dont lynch him today and the smite flips town because of this post.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Post game 'just for giggles' D1 game solve guess : )
[SPOILER]DM, MM, Samson[/SPOILER]
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Completely forgot I am supposed to be using colours to help me separate my thoughts and create an easier activation memory link.
My god that did look terrible. But why if they are scum are they pushing such a pathetic push and scum read onto me, whilst being the main target from multiple other people. It doesn't make sense, especially when if scum they have 2 other active teammates. Only thing I can really think is if they are trying to sacrifice themselves as the scum now have a major advantage (if grey isn't scum) with wisp revealed. And that lynch would give them such a strong position.
I agree their push on you is bad. It looked mostly like OMGUS counter push to me from memory. A lot of their actions just appear to have no self pres focus from pushing on you and MM to the lack of a self pres vote on DM. Its also counter productive as scum to push on you given that most of the players who could pull the town to a lynch have flat out voiced unwillingness to lynch you D1 and the only confirmed town flat out called you town to the highest certainty possible on D1. Overall it feels like they just do not give a fuck to blend, push viable lynches or even stay alive. None of this reflects my view of a scums intentions.
That said I think you are right that if they are scum it has to be a deep wolf play. I do find that a bit unlikely on D1 though.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I guess my biggest issue is in setups like this where it's become so obvious noone is serious about hammering until EOD my vote becomes kind of symbolic. I know you and Wiisp have already expressed unwillingness to vote SJ and combined have way more influence than me. But SJ is my scumread and if I had dictator powers he is the person I'd shoot here.
I do have thoughts about my train. Though a hell of a lot more than 3 people found me scummy this game, I think insight can be gleaned from how they go about the read. I absolutely hated how Leto was like "yzb is my top scumread but I haven't caught up so can't confirm xD". That was a very slimy way to escape accountability for the read.
When I first saw your posts this morning, I thought "hmm, bit late for this isn't it?". Seemed mighty weird to point out that a lot of the reasoning against me is BS at this late hour, but now I think more about it I really don't see a scum incentive to introducing this level of nuance so late into the game. You're not getting any town cred by doing this. Which ironically gets you town cred from me. If you are scum and foresaw that GJ, because you have my townread blessing if I die XD.
Martin seemed to have very genuine progression on my slot. I don't really blame them.
I was kind of indifferent to MM but I dislike some of their more recent posts against me. The post where he was like "yeeess martin I like the way you're pushing against yzb's pocketing attempt on you" seemed like something a supervillain would say. He has moved to null/scum for me.
I still don't like SJ. I have no motivation to reply to his post (sorry XD) but I still don't like him. I find his surge of nuance on my slot to be less genuine-looking than yours.
Those are the things I'd recommend looking into if I flip.
I still don't feel strongly either way about scumreading DM. They sound shady but they always sound shady. The scummiest thing they did this game was throwing out a scumread on you then literally never elaborating on it in any way shape or form. Ultimately, between me and him you bet your ass I'd vote him (so maybe you're not totally right about me not caring about self-pres).
day ends in an hour
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.
and yeah, this SJ scumread is not OMGUS. This is my genuine read here. It's just a very beaten down and "I really can't be bothered to do jack any more" read. Wiisp thinks my reads are obv fake and valueless. Even if I flipped they'd just dismiss my POV and say "oh I guess they were trash town", and for them to do that as town-leader kinda makes my reads worth less than garbage.
I think you can bet on Helz actually being town this game. And unless we're very unlucky hopefully at least one of MM and SJ are town too. You got some good players this game, you'll do okay
Ehh, Screw it
-vote Dark Magician
@yzb25 Self pres on DM and you will tie up votes.
I get that I came in pretty late with my read but I had that Asian Disease.. Not the COVID but the Dragon Ass.
I also was intentionally not taking stances because I wanted to watch what players did without being motivated or having my view to sheep.
Will be interesting to see what happens in this last 40 mins : )
I do not believe Dark Magician is scum, compared to their last game as scum they sound so unsure of themselves and are struggling to reach scum reads. They look like they are giving people a chance to post more content so they can make a better assessment of other players, rather than if there where scum they would be dead set claiming one is town or another is scum. They even try to clarify people's interpretation of their posts to make their posts more clear.
I will not be lynching DM. And honestly, will vote YZB over DM if it comes to it.
@Helz well you got something interesting at least
I mean, it's me you YZB.
You can't call yourself scum.
You think YZB is town more than DM.
So you're practically claiming I'm scum.
Unless yourself is the scum. Because you would definitely say you don't want to swing the lynch because scum might control it if you are scum and involved in it.
I do think there is one scum between you and MM but thats not the reason I said that. I came to that conclusion 2 days ago when considering how to push the end day.
There is also someone invisible watching this thread right now btw. Been watching them for a while.
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Helz, SuperJack+
Nevermind. Looks like Yzb is invisible. I swear I saw him pop up earlier..
Lol <3
11 minutes left on the clock.
Btw, How do you feel about that DM post I pointed out suggesting he could have slipped knowing Gray will flip town? Will you want to lynch him tomorrow if thats the case? (not trying to change your mind here btw)
I refuse to get behind a Bahkeih yeet with 12 minutes left in a 3 week day. That's just bad sportsmanship.
10 minutes
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.
Like, I don't care if Bahkeih flips scum and then people scum read me for "defending" Bahkeih. Bahkeih was not talked about as being a yeet option.
It kinda sounds like you are saying Yzb is town but you want to lynch him because he is LHF and will be lynched down the road reguardless.
Its the final countdown~
Place your bets!