S-FM Eternal Conflict (Off Queue Game Ongoing)

[Dark Magician]

If MM doesn’t come in and vote AFK Scum @Wiisp Show no mercy on MM and tell them to read better!

[Dark Magician]

Give it all you got post game Wiisp!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

God your so naive.
@Marshmallow Marshall

You ain’t this Bally as scum.

-vote Bahkieh

I’d vote this before the afk scum comes in and hammers.
Unless this is plurality only.

-vote Bahkieh

Good thing I had time to come back before EoD. I'm pretty sure what I said about Mag having checked Helz is true though lol

[The Godfather]

Bahkieh has been hammered. Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Bahkieh (2 [L-0]): Marshmallow Marshall, Dark Magician

[AIVION]

Games over gg wp to the scum team Marshmallow marshall, YZB, and Martin!

99 votes to hammer.

If you want an invite to the dead discord feel free to ask me. Sorry if this seems super underwhelming but I could write a novel on how incredibly stupid and frustrating this game was for me... and I am just at the point where I don't care anymore I just want this to be over. And it is. Finally.

Thanks to those who stuck around for the very end.

[Varcron]

Well that happened, GG Scum

[OzyWho]

I thought Martin town and MM scum.
50% correct. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I didn't understand something btw. Why the speculation regarding whom did Mag check when there's access to dead chat via Noctiz-Helz? Also, why was I never invited to dead/spec chat? It was promised twice and I reminded thrice.

I like the human priest in this setup, and hats off to Helz for playing it like he did. Kinda makes me wonder, why disable LW's when there's access to dead chat anyways?
I don't like the day Vigi in this setup tbh. Your top townread getting shot like 5% into the day is not a great feeling and having that in a long game like this is no good imho.

Btw, can I get my Leto II back? It's not like I didn't create it myself out of lazyness - it was literally impossible for me.

[OzyWho]

I have good news and bad news. And they're both the same!
You don't need to feel the Hero Syndrome for the possibility of yzb red flip. It's all mine thanks to my 2nd post in the game.

Ehh, I suppose it isn't that hard. One scum we already know - yzb. That slot just creeps me out.

You and yzb keep exaggerating on the meanings of random votes. ;)
Are you yzb's mate?

imagine giving this slot even the tiniest bit of credit post yzb-flip.

[OzyWho]

@SuperJack

There's 2 times I was upset you tbh, I'll paint them in red.

-*Openly says mag is top townread*
-mag gets shot
-*openly says is upset about the shot*
-*acts upset*
-SJ: "bad reaction"
-"Why?"
-*silence*
-Leto switches out
-SJ: "Leto was kicked because he toxic"

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I thought Martin town and MM scum.
50% correct. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You scared me early on. It looked like you were going to catch both me and yzb. Then things and stuff happened, and I was not caught

I didn't understand something btw. Why the speculation regarding whom did Mag check when there's access to dead chat via Noctiz-Helz? Also, why was I never invited to dead/spec chat? It was promised twice and I reminded thrice.

Probably because dead chat in this game is actually part of the game. Replacements should be kept away from the in-game dead chat and quarantined in a spectator chat.

I like the human priest in this setup, and hats off to Helz for playing it like he did. Kinda makes me wonder, why disable LW's when there's access to dead chat anyways?

Right?? I was very happy nobody noticed that lol, because I could speculate as much as I wanted. But tell us now, O dead ones, what truly happened? Was I right in thinking that Mag checked Helz on N1?

I don't like the day Vigi in this setup tbh. Your top townread getting shot like 5% into the day is not a great feeling and having that in a long game like this is no good imho.

I mean, God didn't exactly act like I expected Him to act... Can you explain what happened lol @Wiisp ?

Btw, can I get my Leto II back? It's not like I didn't create it myself out of lazyness - it was literally impossible for me.

You mean you don't have the password anymore? If so, you can PM me the password you want (and change it afterwards if you so desire).

[OzyWho]

You mean you don't have the password anymore? If so, you can PM me the password you want (and change it afterwards if you so desire).

Aivion changed the password. I'm not willing to go around him/her via you tbh.

[Helz]

@OzyWho
You probably had the strongest D1 reads by a good bit. Im reading through mafia chat now and MM is not joking when he said you had their attention.

[OzyWho]

Im reading through mafia chat

That sounds like a fun thing to do..

[SuperJack]

@SuperJack

There's 2 times I was upset you tbh, I'll paint them in red.

-*Openly says mag is top townread*
-mag gets shot
-*openly says is upset about the shot*
-*acts upset*
-SJ: "bad reaction"
-"Why?"
-*silence*
-Leto switches out
-SJ: "Leto was kicked because he toxic"

Uh huh? XD I dont get that. Is there a reference?

[Helz]

The scum play this game was some impressive team work. Martian and MM's hard bus was absolutely professional.

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

if there is to be an MVP this game : )

Also @AIVION Thanks for sticking through that game. You certainly went farther than you needed to to keep the game floating even when it made you miserable.

[yzb25]

ggwp. I'd also like to give my thanks to AIVION, who showed some awesome levels of commitment thru the day 1 shitfest and stuck with it for months to the very end

[Marshmallow Marshall]

That sounds like a fun thing to do..

Scumchat: https://discord.gg/cgsb8EfzKD

I'd invite you to the dead chat, but I can't even see it myself, I have no role in it :P

~~

Yeah, AIVION was nice to host this experiment and to make it that fun despite the issues. ♥

And

-vote MartinGG99

because I would not have gotten that super towncred if the bussing hadn't been very well executed. Gj ^^
I wanted to say "team demons" but I'm afraid religious fanatics will attack me if I do

[OzyWho]

God:
Wisp

Town Leans:
Halz
Richard

Lesser Town Leans (probably for bad reasons)
Leto II

Don’t know how I feel about his outburst
Paul/Samson

Null:
Dark
Bahk
S-FM Magoroth
Samsung

Possible Scum:
(I wouldn’t take this too seriously, since we still have 4 complete nulls)
Yzb
Martin
MM

Gray is dead, don’t care

Dude... dead on. Wtf how?
I never suspected martin, and took very long to scumread mm.

[OzyWho]

Post game 'just for giggles' D1 game solve guess : )
[SPOILER]DM, MM, Samson[/SPOILER]

Ehh, Screw it

-vote Dark Magician

@yzb25 Self pres on DM and you will tie up votes.

I get that I came in pretty late with my read but I had that Asian Disease.. Not the COVID but the Dragon Ass.

I also was intentionally not taking stances because I wanted to watch what players did without being motivated or having my view to sheep.

Will be interesting to see what happens in this last 40 mins : )

-vote yzb25

@Helz what's the agenda behind that middle quote?


Also, what's up with that? You had a PoE of 3, with 2 scums in it. Then at EoD you vote the 3rd scum.
Like, from the outside it looks awfully lot like you nearly solved the game D1.

[Oberon]

Dude... dead on. Wtf how?
I never suspected martin, and took very long to scumread mm.

me neither

[Helz]

@Helz what's the agenda behind that middle quote?


Also, what's up with that? You had a PoE of 3, with 2 scums in it. Then at EoD you vote the 3rd scum.
Like, from the outside it looks awfully lot like you nearly solved the game D1.

My PoE only had MM in it. I was wrong on Samson and DM but I was really pinged on MM.

So, what I wanted to do there was to create an opportunity for people to make a choice. My thinking was that by tieing up the votes if it is a W/T situation it creates an opportunity to bait scum into swinging the wagon away from their team mate which would be a very heavy alignment indicator later on. It also gave me a pretty hard town read on Superjack based on his refusal to shift off Yzb post flip. Doing so also reinforced my scum read on MM because at the time I had some level of certainty that there was exactly 1 scum between Superjack and MM.

I will say I did have the intention of hammering on Yzb the whole time though. His lack of self pres without that 'you guys are dumb and about to realize it' kind of attitude felt like a scum resigned to die.

In general if I can force players to make a hard decision it is very useful to sort their alignment. Having a stacked out train that cant be shifted go to a lynch is much less useful in very many ways. (At least in my opinion)

[OzyWho]

Reading DM but somehow thinking that I'm reading Martin.

[MartinGG99]

Dude... dead on. Wtf how?
I never suspected martin, and took very long to scumread mm.

IIRC I think I was pinging him in a very general sense wrt tone. Especially with my wall post (Link), which he was dead-right on because the way I focused and looked into making my 1st wall post or two of the game (especially since it was a reads list) I had very likely failed to look for tone.

At a glance as well it kinda sticks out compared to the rest of my ISO.

As for whether "is this tone-deaf for Martin to say" idk and can only imagine for an outside perspective.

[MartinGG99]

Also if I haven't said it here yet

gg wp everyone, thanks for the game @AIVION though I'm sorry that it has caused you so much trouble.

[Helz]

Reading DM but somehow thinking that I'm reading Martin.

Lol : )

@MartinGG99
I do not think I ever suspected you while I was alive. Even when mechanically I was pretty damn sure you were scum I never really backed it up with any analysis (from my memory.) For what its worth props man : )

[OzyWho]

How did

They retain access to their permanent chat when they die

mechanic affect the game in combination with the dead mafia having access to dead chat?

Stuff like

helz was wifoming in dead chat trying to imply he picked someone who would last for a while

sounds fun, ngl.

[Helz]

How did mechanic affect the game in combination with the dead mafia having access to dead chat?

Stuff like sounds fun, ngl.

Lol. It was legit a thing. Even in death chat I felt like I was still playing Mafia. Not sure if my pokes guided their kill choice at all but I was trying to get them to kill a less town read player.

I feel like overall it was a really cool mechanic but it never really was played out hard? Like.. Dead scum became a median between the dead and the scum hunting for the dead priest who was a median between the dead and the town. Super cool dynamic there but I don't feel like it became any factor of note in the game as far as in dead and scum chats.

[MartinGG99]

Lol. It was legit a thing. Even in death chat I felt like I was still playing Mafia. Not sure if my pokes guided their kill choice at all but I was trying to get them to kill a less town read player.

I feel like overall it was a really cool mechanic but it never really was played out hard? Like.. Dead scum became a median between the dead and the scum hunting for the dead priest who was a median between the dead and the town. Super cool dynamic there but I don't feel like it became any factor of note in the game as far as in dead and scum chats.

Basically can confirm this

Yzb25 never really conferred information from dead chat into scum chat unless we asked for it (such as possibly confirming NoticZ was contacted by Helz), which was rare and iirc nothing in dead chat that we asked about was super impactful. We did discuss things post-death though on plans and etc; Yzb did help a lot at some points with that in our discussions.

We still don't know for sure who, in the end, that S-FM Magoroth cop-checked on n1. I still think it was DM/Rhand/DM.

[Dark Magician]

Honestly I really hope Town!MM would have voted Bah there as well.
I was indeed the check because no way Mag says “when I die never yeet DM as he will be pushed tomorrow!”
Or something like that.

[Dark Magician]

Like can you say with a straight face that this isn’t the cops green?

Also, please, if I die tonight, it's because I was one person not voting DM bc DM is going to get a train on them tomorrow. Do not vote DM tomorrow.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Like can you say with a straight face that this isn’t the cops green?

Also, please, if I die tonight, it's because I was one person not voting DM bc DM is going to get a train on them tomorrow. Do not vote DM tomorrow.

Hm. It does sound quite like it, but the rest of his D2 doesn't fit. Like, if he made the list he made at SoD2 and checked you, he misplayed incredibly hard lol. It's not clear enough to say you were confirmed.

[Helz]

To be fair though this game could have gone VERY differently if the town had known the peek.

When it was DM/Noctiz/Bahkieh/MM/Martin Noctiz was essentially unlynchable with me and the death chat in his ear and imagine DM being peeked town. That leaves 2/3 mafia in a PoE and mechanically confirms Martin is Mafia. The the night kill would have to go between shutting up the median interference or killing the peeked town for a 1/2 last day with the third player being town to lead the lynch.

Still coulda easily gone to the scum but that would have been a massive difference imo.

[OzyWho]

To be fair though this game could have gone VERY differently if the town had known the peek.

When it was DM/Noctiz/Bahkieh/MM/Martin Noctiz was essentially unlynchable with me and the death chat in his ear and imagine DM being peeked town. That leaves 2/3 mafia in a PoE and mechanically confirms Martin is Mafia. The the night kill would have to go between shutting up the median interference or killing the peeked town for a 1/2 last day with the third player being town to lead the lynch.

Still coulda easily gone to the scum but that would have been a massive difference imo.

I see this as a reason to enable LW's in this setup.
No point not to have LW when there's access to dead chat anyways, except as this game showed - not everyone joins the DVC.

[Helz]

I see this as a reason to enable LW's in this setup.
No point not to have LW when there's access to dead chat anyways, except as this game showed - not everyone joins the DVC.

Honestly I see it as a reason LW's should not have been necessary. Had Death chat been used effectively the information would have been conveyed. It was a misplay by the town that this advantage was not taken and LW's would be less justified because that advantage could have been taken without them.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Indeed, that peek would have been potentially great for town, assuming it wasn't made on you, which I believe it was. If it was made on you, then it would have changed nothing.

I see this as a reason to enable LW's in this setup.
No point not to have LW when there's access to dead chat anyways, except as this game showed - not everyone joins the DVC.

The point is to force breadcrumbing and to make the dead-living interaction mechanic meaningful. I rather see this as a reason not to enable last wills, and to encourage better play around the dead-living interaction mechanic. That is the spirit of the setup, and adding last wills would kill that.

[OzyWho]

The point is to force breadcrumbing and to make the dead-living interaction mechanic meaningful.

I understand the breadcrumbing part, but how would the dead-living interaction become not meaningful with LW's? Dead guys solving the game seems meaningful tbh.

I rather see this as a reason not to enable last wills, and to encourage better play around the dead-living interaction mechanic.

If everyone joined the DVC, what play around remains that'd be dependant on LW's being disabled?

That is the spirit of the setup, and adding last wills would kill that.

There's something that I'm missing. Could you elaborate more?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I understand the breadcrumbing part, but how would the dead-living interaction become not meaningful with LW's? Dead guys solving the game seems meaningful tbh.



If everyone joined the DVC, what play around remains that'd be dependant on LW's being disabled?



There's something that I'm missing. Could you elaborate more?

It wouldn't become not meaningful, just less meaningful, less unique, less interesting. I said it would kill that spirit (it would at the very least harm it), not kill the entire meaningfulness of the role.

[Helz]

I understand the breadcrumbing part, but how would the dead-living interaction become not meaningful with LW's? Dead guys solving the game seems meaningful tbh.

The way I look at it the purpose a LW serves is to allow a dead player to communicate. That is facilitated by the priest in this setup making having both redundant while also making each individually a less critical function.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The way I look at it the purpose a LW serves is to allow a dead player to communicate. That is facilitated by the priest in this setup making having both redundant while also making each individually a less critical function.

^. It'd probably make the Priest much less critical and keep the LW's purpose strong, though. That would make the setup less unique and less fun.

[OzyWho]

Fair fair.

Still not a fan of the day kill ftr. But if want a day mechanic, how about an election of sorts? Something with democrats vs republicans sounds nice, idk the details though.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Fair fair.

Still not a fan of the day kill ftr. But if want a day mechanic, how about an election of sorts? Something with democrats vs republicans sounds nice, idk the details though.

It's God. God is almighty and can smite whenever he wants! He's just not supposed to do it in the middle of D1 on a very non-consensual target lol.

As for the election mechanic, I believe Stealth has a WIP setup with exactly that

[OzyWho]

It's God. God is almighty and can smite whenever he wants! He's just not supposed to do it in the middle of D1 on a very non-consensual target lol.

As for the election mechanic, I believe Stealth has a WIP setup with exactly that

Stealth (and Mag) has a WIP setup with exactly everything.

[Oberon]

Yes, in the Peerage, people elect a King, who hands out power roles.
The King has 2 votes, apart from this ability.