S-FM Eternal Conflict (Off Queue Game Ongoing)

[AIVION]

DAY 1 OF HIS RECKONING IS AT HAND!





It's that time of year where the birds are singing... and the flowers are blooming. On days like these... People like you...

SHOULD BE PLAYING FM! *Insert Sans the skeleton picture here*

But no seriously, welcome to all ye sinners and those of the benign. This day marks the day of the end. The Word hath ended, 2020 actually was too much and 2021 is now here and with it bring the armies of heaven and hell to do battle upon the plains of our world. Earth is dying and people are revolting. Satan decided this is the perfect time to unleash his demons and the Antichrist upon the world and feast upon our souls to grow his army of the damned.

However, this didn't sit well with God for God is all knowing and almighty and sended his strongest angels and holy men to meet the devils army in a battle for the ages. It will be something the history books will always remember.

Or not, because if heaven loses... everything will burn and be forgotten. Let's find out what happens!

Alive: @Dark Magician @Marshmallow Marshall @Hybrid Richard Dawkins - Superjack Solo account @SamsungLyssa - Bwcporscha/Goatse Archon. @Wiisp @Grayswandir @MartinGG99 @yzb25 @Leto II - Now replaced with @Varcron @Paul - Now replaced with @Samson @Helz @S-FM Magoroth @Bahkieh Smited: No one's met their maker just yet!

Link to setup here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...Conflict-(13P)

with 13 players remaining, it is 7 votes to hammer.

REMINDER! This is a 3 week long game. I mentioned it before but just reiterating it here now: the point is to post as you can. So feel absolutely no rush! Of course if you literally dont post much at all for 3 weeks then you and I will have some talking to do..

Day 1 Ends January 27th at 2:00 PM EST:
Will put a timer here but for now 3 weeks is a long time ahead of us xD

[AIVION]

You may now post as you can! Have fun everyone! <3

[Leto II]

I am God-Emperor Leto II,

Follow my rule and humanity will be led down The Golden Path. We shall exterminate the unholy and put an end to this Eternal Conflict!


I believe that you all have been deceived.
@Paul is not Paul the Apostle from Old Terra. He is, in fact, Paul Atreides. Muad'Dib, The Preacher, The Dune Messiah. His Jihad cost the lives of over 60 billion people and now he deceives you into thinking that he is someone that he is not!
We must keep an eye on Paul.

But for now, I have a question for all of you. When do you think is a proper time for a God such as myself to Smite down the unholy? I want clear and honest answers only.

[Grayswandir]

They shall be burnt with Hunger
And devoured with burning Heat
And with bitter Destruction
I will also send the Teeth of Beasts upon them
With the Poison of Serpents of the Dust.

[yzb25]

Hi. I thought this would be like, anxiety-inducing af but now I'm in it I realize this is super chill if you have literally weeks to mull over reads and can just go awol for days and take a break lol. I'm reading thru the setup rn.

Gonna be interesting to see how pressure works psychologically over such extreme time periods. Idk if some forms of pressure will even exist in the same way. I think we should be open to early hammers. Not suggesting we play this like a 48h game, I get ppl wanna chill. But if there's at least a decent threat of getting lynched after a week there'll be much more potential for AI tells.

I'm reading thru the setup rn. I don't get why god would ever not use the check over the heal. Using the heal instead seems insanely risky and fps-ish. w.r.t. Leto's question, I think the kill should probably be saved for later on to be used in a POE-ish sort of way. It shouldn't just be thrown away on day 1. And if there's a god CC war later then the kill can resolve it for us if god still has it. I think the same is true of the check.

[yzb25]

In the spirit of the setup, if I post too much I'll try and put some informal post cap on the nonsense I spew to let ppl catch up. But given how lurky even this daystart seems that probably won't be necessary xD.

[Wiisp]

As an avid player of long day phases
1. pace yourself
2. Don't slank
3. Vote early and/or a lot, being stingy with your vote means we see less pressure and the game is slower.
4. If we ever no yeet I will end you all

[Leto II]

Hi. I thought this would be like, anxiety-inducing af but now I'm in it I realize this is super chill if you have literally weeks to mull over reads and can just go awol for days and take a break lol. I'm reading thru the setup rn.

Gonna be interesting to see how pressure works psychologically over such extreme time periods. Idk if some forms of pressure will even exist in the same way. I think we should be open to early hammers. Not suggesting we play this like a 48h game, I get ppl wanna chill. But if there's at least a decent threat of getting lynched after a week there'll be much more potential for AI tells.

I'm reading thru the setup rn. I don't get why god would ever not use the check over the heal. Using the heal instead seems insanely risky and fps-ish. w.r.t. Leto's question, I think the kill should probably be saved for later on to be used in a POE-ish sort of way. It shouldn't just be thrown away on day 1. And if there's a god CC war later then the kill can resolve it for us if god still has it. I think the same is true of the check.

Interesting post.

I think that this setup could be anxiety-inducing only for the Scum. Therefore someone talking about their own experience regarding anxiety is what I find interesting in it's own.

What exactly have we got here? (I will put some words on yzb25's mouth to make my point across)

• The 1st paragraph expresses relief regarding the lack of anxiety.
• The 2nd paragraph expresses irritation regarding the lack of pressure that the Scums could feel.

I want everyone to take a moment and contemplate on the train of thought that went behind of making that post, it might be important.

What are your soul reads on yzb25's frame of mind for when he made that post? Please take your time. Share your opinions.

@yzb25 I think your thoughts regarding the proper use of God's powers are spot on.

@Grayswandir Don't ignore questions. And I hope you will keep the fluffing to a minimum this game. 3 weeks per day makes it easy to flood the thread and make it unproductive. I'm sure you know that.

[Leto II]

As an avid player of long day phases
1. pace yourself
2. Don't slank
3. Vote early and/or a lot, being stingy with your vote means we see less pressure and the game is slower.
4. If we ever no yeet I will end you all

Your input is appriciated.

-vote yzb25

[Wiisp]

This game seems pretty damn balanced in terms of other games I've seen on this site tbh.
@Leto II
I would like him to answer specifically what would be stress inducing before I go that route

[yzb25]

This game seems pretty damn balanced in terms of other games I've seen on this site tbh.
@Leto II
I would like him to answer specifically what would be stress inducing before I go that route

imagine having suspicions on someone for literally weeks. Seeing someone's posts as manipulative / malicious is very painful normally. But now I'm in it I kinda realize this is gonna be more like "eh, I think this, this and this is bullshit" then that's it. It's not like you're not gonna be carrying that weight for weeks.

I'm p null on wiisp and leto. Maybe a townlean on leto if I squint really hard, but the slot seems kinda systematic so they could probably make that kind of analysis of my post irrespective of my alignment.

Scum probably are tempted to take a week off to reach nirvana before they post. I'ma begin by scumreading ppl who I suspect are lurking this / may try to lurk this.

-vote S-FM Magoroth

[Wiisp]

Ohh I know that feeling, when I first came to this site, I was super unpleasant to play with, it did consistently get better results, but like I'd rather treat my scum leans as human beings, rather than dirt. Cause the point is for everyone to at least try to have fun

[yzb25]

yeah and you're gonna have so much time to move past the emotional biases underneath your reads. My reads are gonna be rly objective cuz after a week I'm not gonna give a fck XD

[yzb25]

yeah and you're gonna have so much time to move past the emotional biases underneath your reads. My reads are gonna be rly objective cuz after a week I'm not gonna give a fck XD

objectively bad, maybe. But objective nonetheless XD

[Wiisp]

@yzb25
how much do you know of Leto? is he usually this serious straight out of the gate?

[yzb25]

@yzb25
how much do you know of Leto? is he usually this serious straight out of the gate?

the account is new

[yzb25]

the account is new

I guess they may be a smurf, but I can't see that stated anywhere. So there's no viable meta read of the slot afaik

[Wiisp]

ohh an anon account, which means they are hiding from meta
Wonder what they are afraid of

[Grayswandir]

Ohh I know that feeling, when I first came to this site, I was super unpleasant to play with, it did consistently get better results, but like I'd rather treat my scum leans as human beings, rather than dirt. Cause the point is for everyone to at least try to have fun

No! Unleash that pro-town righteous anger and smite the scum with divine fury!

[Grayswandir]

Tbh Wiisp saying this could be AI ^^ Wiisp could be a downright asshole to his scumreads lmao, it was so hilarious. Wiisp could potentially be trying to be ‘nicer’ bc shitting on ppl as scum is kinda meh, and it doesn’t paint as much of a target on him if he plays nice.

FWIW, I totally won’t mind if you start calling ppl idiots for misreading :P I find that shit hilarious, especially since the way you did it wasn’t really that toxic.

[Wiisp]

Tbh Wiisp saying this could be AI ^^ Wiisp could be a downright asshole to his scumreads lmao, it was so hilarious. Wiisp could potentially be trying to be ‘nicer’ bc shitting on ppl as scum is kinda meh, and it doesn’t paint as much of a target on him if he plays nice.

FWIW, I totally won’t mind if you start calling ppl idiots for misreading :P I find that shit hilarious, especially since the way you did it wasn’t really that toxic.

The only reason I fall back into my older playstyle is if I really need to control the game as wolf, or stop town from playing poorly

you played with me? I dont remember you from my old games

[Grayswandir]

imagine having suspicions on someone for literally weeks. Seeing someone's posts as manipulative / malicious is very painful normally. But now I'm in it I kinda realize this is gonna be more like "eh, I think this, this and this is bullshit" then that's it. It's not like you're not gonna be carrying that weight for weeks.

I'm p null on wiisp and leto. Maybe a townlean on leto if I squint really hard, but the slot seems kinda systematic so they could probably make that kind of analysis of my post irrespective of my alignment.

Scum probably are tempted to take a week off to reach nirvana before they post. I'ma begin by scumreading ppl who I suspect are lurking this / may try to lurk this.

-vote S-FM Magoroth

Why do you think scum would lurk?

[Grayswandir]

The only reason I fall back into my older playstyle is if I really need to control the game as wolf, or stop town from playing poorly

you played with me? I dont remember you from my old games

I’m Ganelon lul

[Grayswandir]

@Wiisp do you have some meta for really long games like this one? Do scum usually lurk?

[Grayswandir]

Hi. I thought this would be like, anxiety-inducing af but now I'm in it I realize this is super chill if you have literally weeks to mull over reads and can just go awol for days and take a break lol. I'm reading thru the setup rn.

Gonna be interesting to see how pressure works psychologically over such extreme time periods. Idk if some forms of pressure will even exist in the same way. I think we should be open to early hammers. Not suggesting we play this like a 48h game, I get ppl wanna chill. But if there's at least a decent threat of getting lynched after a week there'll be much more potential for AI tells.

I'm reading thru the setup rn. I don't get why god would ever not use the check over the heal. Using the heal instead seems insanely risky and fps-ish. w.r.t. Leto's question, I think the kill should probably be saved for later on to be used in a POE-ish sort of way. It shouldn't just be thrown away on day 1. And if there's a god CC war later then the kill can resolve it for us if god still has it. I think the same is true of the check.

I think God should never use their daykill too early into the game. Imagine waiting 3 weeks for someone to flip. I think I would legit kill myself IRL.

[Grayswandir]

Too early into the day, not game.
Apologies for my really short posts. I’ll be trying to condense my posting from now on and post more rarely.

[Wiisp]

@Wiisp do you have some meta for really long games like this one? Do scum usually lurk?

yes and no? like its usually more of a player thing then a meta thing on the site I play on
but if u have to deal with lurkers, sometimes its just easier to read everyone else, then come back to them

[S-FM Magoroth]

Some rapid bullet thoughts.

- Please don't spam this game. Take the time to make long posts. The more posts we have, the harder this game is going to be because content is just so taxing for towns people to sift through over and over again. Please.

- I'm prepping for vacation and won't really be around till maybe Tuesday. And I'm in another s-fm that really deserves my attention as EoD is in 26 hours.

- I also think this game would be perfect to try informal bird voting. We certainly have the luxury of time to make sure everyone understands what's going on with it.

- In addition, given that we have hammer on, which is needlessly scum sided, I will not be voting until 3 days before Day End. I encourage everyone to do the same. Early hammer would be absolutely terrible and then we'd spend Day 2 debating if it was scummy to do so or not. I don't need to have that argument.

- Lastly, let's not resort to personal attacks. This is going to be a long game, and it'll be more likely to cause people to burn out. I'd love to see the end of the game with everyone here and have no replacements. I apologize in advance for my sheer stupidity.

[Wiisp]

While I agree with the not spamming/wall posts, its relatively hard to do early on
I have not seen any personal attacks

[Leto II]

Tbh Wiisp saying this could be AI ^^ Wiisp could be a downright asshole to his scumreads lmao, it was so hilarious. Wiisp could potentially be trying to be ‘nicer’ bc shitting on ppl as scum is kinda meh, and it doesn’t paint as much of a target on him if he plays nice.

FWIW, I totally won’t mind if you start calling ppl idiots for misreading :P I find that shit hilarious, especially since the way you did it wasn’t really that toxic.

If you're town, I beg of you to not reveal your "weapons" early. Wait it out.

Imagine this hypothetical scenario: you told me first hour into the game that I usually do x as scum. Great! Now I do y. When instead you could have just waited for me to continue and then made your case a couple hundred posts later.

Please don't reveal to the scum how they have to play in order for you to town read them.

I'm not a fan of chitchatting like apparently some others are.
But what you did here I find inherently anti-town.

-vote Grayswandir

This post might be hypocritical of me. But I find it important for every towny to be aware of this sort of thing especially given the game length.

[yzb25]

Some rapid bullet thoughts.

- Please don't spam this game. Take the time to make long posts. The more posts we have, the harder this game is going to be because content is just so taxing for towns people to sift through over and over again. Please.

- I'm prepping for vacation and won't really be around till maybe Tuesday. And I'm in another s-fm that really deserves my attention as EoD is in 26 hours.

- I also think this game would be perfect to try informal bird voting. We certainly have the luxury of time to make sure everyone understands what's going on with it.

- In addition, given that we have hammer on, which is needlessly scum sided, I will not be voting until 3 days before Day End. I encourage everyone to do the same. Early hammer would be absolutely terrible and then we'd spend Day 2 debating if it was scummy to do so or not. I don't need to have that argument.

- Lastly, let's not resort to personal attacks. This is going to be a long game, and it'll be more likely to cause people to burn out. I'd love to see the end of the game with everyone here and have no replacements. I apologize in advance for my sheer stupidity.

If you're so vocal about your intention to not even vote for weeks, scum are gonna feel 0 pressure for a while. You can't seriously think lynching a week and a half in is equivalent to a 24h lynch in a 48h day.

[Grayswandir]

I call out scummy things where I see them. Wiisp saying he will try to chill and not treat his scum leans like dirt could be him being self-conscious of his meta as scum.
As for me encouraging him to post: I really want to see that from him, I find it absolutely hilarious.. Besides, not that I had this in mind when I said it, but if he tries to mimic his town meta as scum it won’t be as convincing as it is when he is town. So if my post gave him the idea that he should imitate it to seem town, that is something that we’ll be able to read.

[yzb25]

Why do you think scum would lurk?

Sometimes when I'm scum I prepare this flowery, beautifully formatted wallpost for daystart to sweat out townpoints, because in the pre-game before the chat has opened you have tonnes of time and no expectation to reply to anything. In this gamemode, that same thing applies for most of the day. It's natural for ppl not to post for a few days. That's the spirit of the setup. But on the other extreme if someone seems to be consistently going awol for a week, dropping a beautiful wallpost then going awol again for a week and doing that over months, I'ma hold onto my suspicions because that's exactly what I'd do LOL.

[yzb25]

err crap maybe I do need a cap. I'll make this the last post for tonight unless something really pings me. Cya

[Grayswandir]

imagine having suspicions on someone for literally weeks. Seeing someone's posts as manipulative / malicious is very painful normally. But now I'm in it I kinda realize this is gonna be more like "eh, I think this, this and this is bullshit" then that's it. It's not like you're not gonna be carrying that weight for weeks.

I'm p null on wiisp and leto. Maybe a townlean on leto if I squint really hard, but the slot seems kinda systematic so they could probably make that kind of analysis of my post irrespective of my alignment.

Scum probably are tempted to take a week off to reach nirvana before they post. I'ma begin by scumreading ppl who I suspect are lurking this / may try to lurk this.

-vote S-FM Magoroth

Could you try to explain what you meant here please? I’m likely just being stupid, so my bad for the silly question lol.

[yzb25]

Could you try to explain what you meant here please? I’m likely just being stupid, so my bad for the silly question lol.

I accidentally used two "not"s. I meant to say "It's not like you're gonna be carrying that weight for weeks". my bad

[Bahkieh]

Oh cool, I made it in time for just the first page.

*Insert obligatory "I am Town"*

Y'all know I am from heaven because I don't lie :^)

[Grayswandir]

What I suggest everyone does is make a private discord server for their notes, and when you see posts that you have an opinion on, write your notes about it in the server; when there’s enough for you to post, post it. That way you’ll have fewer posts.

And this will be my last post for a while.

[Grayswandir]

@yzb25 Could you explain this? Because from my perspective it looks like you literally just scum slipped in the classic sense of the word, lol. Were you taking it to mean they were scum and could make that analysis regardless of if you were town or not?

I'm p null on wiisp and leto. Maybe a townlean on leto if I squint really hard, but the slot seems kinda systematic so they could probably make that kind of analysis of my post irrespective of my alignment.

I’m sorry, I know I said I would not be posting again for a while, but if this is an actual slip I cannot let anyone else point this out first lmao. No way I’d forgive myself for ignoring this, and letting someone else take credit for it, lol.

[Grayswandir]

Honestly this is just so scummy that I don’t know if actual scum would do this lol.

[yzb25]

@yzb25 Could you explain this? Because from my perspective it looks like you literally just scum slipped in the classic sense of the word, lol. Were you taking it to mean they were scum and could make that analysis regardless of if you were town or not?



I’m sorry, I know I said I would not be posting again for a while, but if this is an actual slip I cannot let anyone else point this out first lmao. No way I’d forgive myself for ignoring this, and letting someone else take credit for it, lol.

irrespective of their alignment

[Grayswandir]

irrespective of their alignment

So you saying 'my' instead of 'their alignment' is just a typo? And not you thinking you're scum and that Leto could analyse your post regardless of if he was teamed with you or not?

[Grayswandir]

I am God-Emperor Leto II,

Follow my rule and humanity will be led down The Golden Path. We shall exterminate the unholy and put an end to this Eternal Conflict!


I believe that you all have been deceived.
@Paul is not Paul the Apostle from Old Terra. He is, in fact, Paul Atreides. Muad'Dib, The Preacher, The Dune Messiah. His Jihad cost the lives of over 60 billion people and now he deceives you into thinking that he is someone that he is not!
We must keep an eye on Paul.

But for now, I have a question for all of you. When do you think is a proper time for a God such as myself to Smite down the unholy? I want clear and honest answers only.

Are you asking what God should do to get the real God to slip? :P

[yzb25]

So you saying 'my' instead of 'their alignment' is just a typo? And not you thinking you're scum and that Leto could analyse your post regardless of if he was teamed with you or not?

yeah. Now I've read it several times I think I can understand how you see the typo as scum indicative, but if that's a real read you must think I'm a total imbecile lol

[Grayswandir]

yeah. Now I've read it several times I think I can understand how you see the typo as scum indicative, but if that's a real read you must think I'm a total imbecile lol

I don't think you're an imbecile if you make that kinda slip lol. Get sleep-addled/stressed enough and you won't even realize what kinda shit comes out of your mouth.
I'll be keeping my eye on you, but if this is all some stupid thing I'm reading too much into (which is what I think it is), then my bad lol. I don't mean to shit on anybody's shoes.

[Grayswandir]

Interesting post.

I think that this setup could be anxiety-inducing only for the Scum. Therefore someone talking about their own experience regarding anxiety is what I find interesting in it's own.

What exactly have we got here? (I will put some words on yzb25's mouth to make my point across)

• The 1st paragraph expresses relief regarding the lack of anxiety.
• The 2nd paragraph expresses irritation regarding the lack of pressure that the Scums could feel.

I want everyone to take a moment and contemplate on the train of thought that went behind of making that post, it might be important.

What are your soul reads on yzb25's frame of mind for when he made that post? Please take your time. Share your opinions.

@yzb25 I think your thoughts regarding the proper use of God's powers are spot on.

@Grayswandir Don't ignore questions. And I hope you will keep the fluffing to a minimum this game. 3 weeks per day makes it easy to flood the thread and make it unproductive. I'm sure you know that.

I think God should keep their nightkill to deter potential God fakeclaims (and obviously stay hidden).
Also, if God reveals, they should 100% reveal who they are going to use their kill on so the person they vig has time to prepare a decent last will and a roleclaim, so we at least have something from them if they're town (and if they're scum I suppose it could be read into, too). Plus if God reveals, kills someone and causes a hammer, that would be some kinda bullshit lol. Obviously the last one isn't gonna happen unless God is extremely inattentive, but better safe than sorry, lol.

A God who thinks they have scum pinged down can also nightcheck someone and if they're scum shoot them. That's also one way of playing that role ^^

[Marshmallow Marshall]

YESSSS

Hi. I thought this would be like, anxiety-inducing af but now I'm in it I realize this is super chill if you have literally weeks to mull over reads and can just go awol for days and take a break lol. I'm reading thru the setup rn.

Gonna be interesting to see how pressure works psychologically over such extreme time periods. Idk if some forms of pressure will even exist in the same way. I think we should be open to early hammers. Not suggesting we play this like a 48h game, I get ppl wanna chill. But if there's at least a decent threat of getting lynched after a week there'll be much more potential for AI tells.

I'm reading thru the setup rn. I don't get why god would ever not use the check over the heal. Using the heal instead seems insanely risky and fps-ish. w.r.t. Leto's question, I think the kill should probably be saved for later on to be used in a POE-ish sort of way. It shouldn't just be thrown away on day 1. And if there's a god CC war later then the kill can resolve it for us if god still has it. I think the same is true of the check.

Correct! That's the point of the game. Agreed with your reasoning.

God should definetly not smite instantly, and instead should wait until He has a reasonable amount of info against someone. As for his check-or-heal, checking is indeed pretty good, but you never know when a heal may be handy. The setup is designed with quite a lot of kills, after all, so the heal possibility is here to balance it out. I'd let it up to God's judgment and let it WIFOM so that scum don't have info on what God plans to do.

-vote Leto II

Because in this dire hour, we ought to fight for democracy and reject autocrats...

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Are you asking what God should do to get the real God to slip? :P

It is anti-town to discuss the WIFOM around early D1 "claims" like his. He's obviously baiting something, and God, if He is not stupid, won't just come out and "slip" anything.

-vote Grayswandir

[Leto II]

@yzb25 Could you explain this? Because from my perspective it looks like you literally just scum slipped in the classic sense of the word, lol. Were you taking it to mean they were scum and could make that analysis regardless of if you were town or not?



I’m sorry, I know I said I would not be posting again for a while, but if this is an actual slip I cannot let anyone else point this out first lmao. No way I’d forgive myself for ignoring this, and letting someone else take credit for it, lol.

I have good news and bad news. And they're both the same!
You don't need to feel the Hero Syndrome for the possibility of yzb red flip. It's all mine thanks to my 2nd post in the game.

Are you asking what God should do to get the real God to slip? :P

You're such a troll lol

I think God should keep their nightkill to deter potential God fakeclaims (and obviously stay hidden).
Also, if God reveals, they should 100% reveal who they are going to use their kill on so the person they vig has time to prepare a decent last will and a roleclaim, so we at least have something from them if they're town (and if they're scum I suppose it could be read into, too). Plus if God reveals, kills someone and causes a hammer, that would be some kinda bullshit lol. Obviously the last one isn't gonna happen unless God is extremely inattentive, but better safe than sorry, lol.

A God who thinks they have scum pinged down can also nightcheck someone and if they're scum shoot them. That's also one way of playing that role ^^

Those were some good points, thank you. Also, I didn't even know we have Last Wills here.

YESSSS



Correct! That's the point of the game. Agreed with your reasoning.

God should definetly not smite instantly, and instead should wait until He has a reasonable amount of info against someone. As for his check-or-heal, checking is indeed pretty good, but you never know when a heal may be handy. The setup is designed with quite a lot of kills, after all, so the heal possibility is here to balance it out. I'd let it up to God's judgment and let it WIFOM so that scum don't have info on what God plans to do.

-vote Leto II

Because in this dire hour, we ought to fight for democracy and reject autocrats...

You tell me what an autocrat is without me having to google it, or I OMGUS you!

[Leto II]

I assume at least some here have played many games with completely new FM players present.

Any opinions on @Bahkieh entrance post?
I think I have seen similar but can't remember their alignments in the end.