@Dark Magician
Who are your town-reads?
You said you would avoid scum-hunting earlier in the game so I am curious to know what your thoughts are.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Do you mean you scumread Happymeal for his attempt to form a "voting block" with the newcomers? If so, why? It looks good to me: it creates meaningful interactions, be it just to discuss about what his action means about his alignment and who wants to associate with him.
Light always does weird and arguably anti-town things, and skipping is one of those things. Now, if you're advocating for a policy lynch, I may not be opposed to it, but I'd like to know if you think this is a lynch against a member of the informed minority or if you're just pushing it for the sake of pushing policy lynches.
If Light doesn't get towny to me and if there are no better options, I will sheep you against him, btw.
@TCP
Do you mind giving your thoughts on Dark Magician?
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
I like this and relate to the thought process, although I would be careful about giving Light too much trust for "lack of self-consciousness": if he isn't conscious it makes him look bad, he might do it as scum, too. It's not towny, it's anti-town, but it's not scummy either. I'd just stop at that to avoid literally giving him a free pass for poor play.
Let it be known that Martin is my top townread as of now for bringing up the right points to move the game forward (comments on Light's self-consciousness, pokes at the inactives or at the ones who don't want to give reads) with relatable reasonings and seemingly town intent.
@Light_Yagami Are you considering open-wolfing as strictly wolfy, or do you see another dimension to it? For the record, I do see another dimension to it, I'm just curious to see what you think about it.
Agreed.
"Wolf/PR" is literally only valid when there's a counterclaim war going on about a specific power role. Else, it's either wrong or it shouldn't be said because it's PR hunting, which means it's doing the wolves' job.
I'm curious to see where you're going to take us: your play is certainly not orthodox, but it could come from town and it could actually not be bad. You should probably not be lynched D1; instead, we keep you for the dessert, Happy Meal :P
I see Kelli is claiming to be weak on D1, which is not impossible, but also means we have to watch her so that we don't let her coast with that "bad D1" for the entire game. Outside of that, @Kelli , what do you think of Light, of Martin's analysis of him, and of Martin?
Mmm, there's no reason to village-read most of those you put in the Villagers list, probably including myself, seeing how I didn't even catch up and only posted like 3 times without amazing insight at that point of the game. Plus, you scumread Martin for having a logic opposed to yours, while this is absolutely not a wolf tell; what would be a wolf tell is if you can determine there is a wolf origin to his position on Light, and disagreeing with him doesn't determine that.
Why is Stargunner a wolf?
Agreed. Being annoying is not a wolf tell. However, being intentionally annoying is dumb, since people will want to lynch you for it because they want to get rid of you to stop being annoyed.
Looking at Auwt's posts, I see nothing really alignment indicative, and since I often gave him free passes too early, I'm gonna put him in a "sort later" slot.
Spoiler : Frostbyte's wall :
I love this post, and not just because it's a wall. You bring up very good points here, especially about StarGunner: his play does look like a confused and trying to be helpful new townie's. Just one thing, though: Light isn't exactly known for his amazing logical play, so you may be putting too much weight into your read based on his skip vote. The rest is 100 % relatable; even though I do not necessarily agree with your conclusions on Happymeal, I can see where you're coming from, and you may actually be right, even though it's a bit early to tell. Your villager list is very good and stems from genuine scumhunting imo.
Putting Frostbyte ex aequo with Martin in my top villager reads.
-vote Dark MagicianCounter policy lynch. Frostbyte has been tremendously more helpful in a single post than you've been in the whole game, and you're insulting him for appropriately answering you: you did absolutely nothing readable this game lol. You could very well be a wolf trying to discredit Frostbyte while he still doesn't have much villager credit because you foresee he's going to be a strong player this game, and either way, you're being anti-town and completely nonsensical when you call for a policy lynch against him.
Also, between Magoroth and Yagami, Yagami is 100% the wolfier.
@Marshmallow Marshall what is your opinion of Auwt?
I agree with everyone else on StarGunner. I’m getting serious first time villager vibes from them.
The issue I still have with TCP’s posts is that they seem really uncertain of most of their reads, and like Marshall said he could’ve been trying to discredit in that one post.
Auwt is kind of in the same boat for me. Laying back, scumpainting.
Seems correct. TCP does nothing extraordinarily towny, but nothing scummy either; he only says relatively logical things, and sticks to that. Null read to keep an eye on.
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But meh, you're not the only one to say that, so I'm not going to hold it against you lol. I'd like you to reevaluate me based on what I posted recently, though.
It’s easy for wolves to do what TCP does, isn’t it? Just call out exactly what people are doing, maybe add a twist to it of your own and voilá. Your very own homemade read. Ready to be processed and served to unsuspecting villagers. Giving them unwanted bowel movements.
Those are pretty weak reasons in both cases. Both players are certainly not towny, but they also aren't scummy enough to warrant basically naked votes on them; yet you did place naked votes on them. Why? Did they look self-evidently wolfy to you? There's a level of confidence this involves that does not fit with what you're saying here.
Lol, correct. It's also absolutely possible for town to do, though. I've been playing on other FM sites over the ages, and his style reminds me a lot of a NAI style often encountered on Mafiascum. Perhaps he even played there at some point, idk, but either way, I don't think scumreading him for this style is fair, at least not on D1. If he still has no town tells on D2 and even more so on D3, then we should look into him much more closely.
I voted them before saying this :P
And yeah, they did at first. I’m not interested in joining a lynch that seems so obviously to be a case of two people disliking each other and trolling/appealing to emotion. I doubt the push on Light is scum-driven, so my guess is that the scum are laying back and scumpainting away.
I disagree that Mag and Light are "trolling": they just have completely different ways to approach the game (and without wanting to be mean, there may be one with a better way than the other, and I'll let y'all realize which one it is lol). I agree with your conclusion about the interaction, though.
That being said, I'm not sure how that relates to Auwt and TCP being self-evidently scummy to you early on. Perhaps I misunderstand your posts?
Anyway, I think I've had enough Mafia for now, so I'm going off. Quick list of reads:
Frostbyte
Martin
Stargunner
S-FM Magoroth
NULL/KEEPING FOR LATER: Everyone not mentioned here
Greyswandir (slight scumread for a strange dissonance in confidence in cases vs strenght of cases, may change because im not sure i understood his posts well)
Dark Magician
I am going away because I feel myself tunneling. Bye
Killer, kill Magoroth tonight. Thank you.
I noticed the Unknown Vengeful Scumbag. I suggest that everyone be prepared to kill their top scumread if they get lynched and to give some serious consideration to who their target would be. For example I would kill Magoroth.
Also, the Mental Scumbag should just not use their ability because it’s so anti-villager. If you hit a town you block peoples ability to clear themselves and solve, if you hit scum you effectively help them blend in lol.
Effective immediately, bakermir is my top townread. Due to thoughts they expressed that mirrored my own.
Leave your target in your last will.