IMO I found it towny Light for a few reasons:
1. Light_Yagami isn't self-conscious. I mean, who does an action that might be viewed as scummy to new players, as scum? Ideally, some evil players can fake that at the start, I think it looks better when
2. He says its NAI (Not Alignment Indicative) for him (Post #81), but earlier he clearly shows that
3. His actions probably produced some AI content from others (Post #31)
To me, Light_Yagami isn't advancing his own position much, and yet is doing stuff that further his (presumably) towny goals.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Rn I'm thinking, based solely off of the early game so far,
Villagery
Light_Yagami
Happymeal
Grayswandir
StarGunner
Others I'm not sure about and I think I will get a better idea of them later on.
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I Know Its Pretty Early Still But Thats My Thought For The Moment
I’m on board. How do you vote someone?
Happy does that most games regardless of alignment for me I read that NAI bordering on town
I like this the only one on the list that I would weary of is Happymeal, usually I can sort his alignment for firmly day 2. That's additionally why I wouldn't vote him out today.
it's [ vote ] insert name here then [ / vote ]
without the spaces
Anyway Ill Put My Vote Back To Normal Now..
-vote skip
You give Yagami too much credit when you say he's "advancing the game" Martin.
I don't have the reveal, but I may as well because I'm pretty certain I have the game solved. Hear you go (wolves trying to help you out here for your night kills)
Wolves or villager PR
Dark Magician
StarGunner
MartinGG99
S-FM Magoroth
Light_Yagami
Villagers
FrostByte
Myself
Kelli
Grayswandir
Null
everyone else
there you go wolves and villagers, I have the game solved for you for the most part. Figure out who is what.
Nothing? I think that's the point. I don't know how it is in forum but wolves tend to lurk in video perhaps that's where the read came from?
Anywho, I’ve decided to be weird this game and adapt a new technique.
I’m going to play this game with absolutely zero scum reads.
Now here me out, this doesn’t mean I won’t think someone’s scum.
I just won’t mark them as a scum read.
I’ve decided my only reads will be any sort of Town to a Null read.
Thus the lower my TR on you the more likely I am to vote against you.
Now I’m sure someone will call me out and say that I’m doing this to avoid scum reading but I have you know I can easily Fake SR as much as I can SR so this is completely NAI.
I never said anything about the game overall.
I said he wasn't advancing his own position, while asking and doing things that suggests having a solving mindset fmpov.
I can dig into defending Yagami more if you want. Out of all my early reads his I feel the strongest on.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Also Feels Like PR Hunting.
happymeal actually contributed a lot
the "new player bloc" is a good way to start making groupings. if this was discussed on n0 chat then scum had no reason to reveal this publicly.
Martin's vote on happymeal could be a bait or he is just a wolf himself?
-vote MartinGG99
if there is 1 scum in new player group then I doubt it being happymeal. I don't see how he is a wolf here, I feel like Martin needs to elaborate more on their hunting process.. If there are two of them then im gonna hedge on happy here and I really don't think there are 3 scum in new player pool like I am certainly eliminating others before finishing that pool
It can just be lazy or simply new town, though. Coasting while sheeping someone else and letting him get dirty in your place isn't exactly how you get townread anyway. I have doubts on this theory.
Also, I'm gonna use "town" as in "uninformed majority" this game, so "townreads" are really townreads and "scumreads" are really scumreads. I suggest we all do that for clarity's sake.
Can you do this? From my perspective I have been trying to figure out where you were going with your head is at with town reading light so hard.
From my perspective the logic of the things you have pointed for light being a villager I haven't been able to follow.
For the first point on him having the vote skip gimmick is just a silly gimmick in my eyes.
The content that was created because of it wasn't due to it being a especially thought provoking concept, but because Mag jumped on it and it was the first thing to be discussed, so I don't think it is right to villager read him RN. At least in Video Mafia it is inevitable that content is made about early game interactions and his was just the first one people jumped onto, so the content being generated probably isn't because he is some mastermind villager getting things on track for content, especially because a lot of the content isn't very helpful if Light, and Mag are going to tunnel on each other.
For the reads he has given so far and talked about I don't agree that they have come from a villager mindset.
For the Message #31 you quoted, where he talked about finding 1-2 town already, which I assume are Mag, Happy or kelli, based on the content given by everyone who talked before, and since then his narrative has been pushing on Mag and Happy. So from my perspective his content so far has been pretty one note, or just a lie if he was calling 1-2 people villagers from the content at that point in the game.
The reason why this point is interesting to me about your gameplay is that you seem to be hard alligning with light with not enough reason to trust him in the game.
Okay.
I think it would be a quick presumption to make that some of the players here may be considered "new". I think one of the most common or likeliest interactions between players whom don't know each other are more or less going to be "ABC" (I.e. simiplistic) interactions rather than very developed analysis. That said, I believe doing a -Vote Skip is obviously going to provoke some discussion and/or interaction, or will likely generate some sort of content from players whom someone may know nothing about since IMO many people in Forum Mafia are against the idea of skipping.
I won't deny that it's likely a silly gimmick, but I would think the question then becomes "why did they choose that gimmick" rather than some other silly gimmick like Happymeal is doing regarding PR's? Sure, maybe it has no super specific purpose but from the way I saw it conducted I think its intended to be a silly gimmick solely for the purposes of generating content and potentially AI reactions.
Also, I'm not sure if we should be weighing the value of something simply on whether someone jumps on it or not, and whether it was helpful. Some things that villagers do as an honest attempt at solving (regardless of the level of effort put into them) will inevitably bring up nothing or meaningless results at times, and those results (or lack thereof) don't just suddenly disprove of them being a villager. Additionally, them tunneling each other does not exclude either of them from being villager or scum. As for my own read on Magoroth, I want to see them (in the vaguest sense of the word) develop more before I come to a concrete conclusion on them so I won't elaborate on this further.
For Message/Post #31, I didn't really look into or assumed what those town-reads were. They could be about those who did interact with him, or those who haven't, or both. Either way, I felt overall it was just villagery to call-out town reads so early.
Yes, I am hard aligning with Light_Yagami. I doubt that will change any time soon, if ever.
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