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    Cool S-FM 319: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder)
    Created by: MattZeD
    For 9 players

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    conspiracy131118_illuminati_250.jpg

    RP: This was once a quiet little town. One day, the local mafia decided that it was time to seize control. Or did they? One of you suspects something far more sinister is afoot. It is up to you and your fellow townsfolk to find and eliminate the true threat.

    Host Reserves this Color Cyan

    Possible Setups:
    Setup A Setup B Setup C Setup D Setup E Setup F
    Godfather Godfather (Illuminati) Godfather Godfather Godfather (Illuminati) Godfather
    Consigliere Consigliere Consigliere (Illuminati) Consigliere Consigliere Consigliere (Illuminati)
    Conspiracy Theorist Conspiracy Theorist Conspiracy Theorist Conspiracy Theorist Conspiracy Theorist Conspiracy Theorist
    Mason Mason (Illuminati) Hidden Illuminati Mayor Mayor (Illuminati) Mayor (Illuminati)
    Mason Mason (Illuminati) Mason (Illuminati) Hidden Town Hidden Illuminati Hidden Illuminati
    Hidden Town Hidden Town Mason Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town
    Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town
    Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town
    Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town
    The Hidden Town cannot be Masons or Mayor.
    The Hidden Illuminati can be one of Citizen, Sheriff, Doctor, or Escort.


    Alive
    @Dark Magician
    @MattZed
    @Frinckles
    @yzb25
    @MartinGG99
    @Auwt
    @Marshmallow Marshall
    @Renegade
    @Mesk514

    Reserves
    1. Stealthbomber16
    2. Bakermir
    3. Oberon
    4. Helz


    Game will start December 17, 2020 at 7pm CST

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    DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS



    Last edited by Mike; December 17th, 2020 at 07:14 AM.
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    YOU HAVE JUST CAUSED THE END OF ALL MANKIND!!!!!!

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    Day 1

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    Night 1

    Night 2



    Replacements
    Stealthbomber16 Replaced Dark Magician Day 1
    bakermir Replaced MattZed Day 2 (Family Emergency)

    5 votes to hammer.

    Last edited by Mike; December 22nd, 2020 at 03:54 PM.
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    Spoiler : :
    WHY CANT YOU FOLLOW SIMPLE DIRECTIONS?
    YOU HAVE JUST CAUSED THE END OF ALL MANKIND!!!!!!

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    -vote MattZed

    ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Spoiler : read this whenever :
    Partially because it's interesting, and partially because it may be relevant to game discussion, I pre-wrote the following post about the odds of illuminati ---

    As you hopefully know, there are 6 possible setup types - A, B, C, D, E, F. The type was chosen by feeding A (1), A (2), B (3), C (4), D (5), D (6), E (7) and F ( into an 8-possibility RNG. There are four numbers out of eight where illuminati does not spawn (1, 2, 5, 6). So you may assume the odds are simply 50/50.

    However......

    Suppose you spawn into the game as a consigliere (not illuminati). Simply by the role you received, you know the game cannot be setup C or setup F because the consigliere is illuminati in those.
    Hence, you know the RNG picked 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 or 7. Of these, only 3 and 7 actually have an illuminati. So if you spawned as consigliere, the actual probability given the information you have of illuminati spawning is only 1 in 3 (33.33%), even if to an uninformed observer the probability seems like 50%.

    This isn't as perverse as it seems. This is literally like if two people are told to guess whether a die rolled a 6, and the second person was told that the die roll was even. From the POV of the first person, the odds are 1 in 6, but the second person's additional information tells them the odds are 1 in 3.

    Extrapolating this logic, here is the "true" probability of illuminati spawning from your POV, given the information your rolecard gives you:

    Mayor: 0% chance of illuminati
    Mafia: 33.33% chance of illuminati
    Mason: 33.33% chance of illuminati
    Town random slot: 45.45% chance of illuminati
    Conspiracy theorist: 50% chance of illuminati
    Illuminati: 100% chance of illuminati (lol)

    The point is, varying roles have varying degrees of certainty about the presence of illuminati. For towns and conspiracy theorists, it's effectively a coinflip. But for mafia and certain TPRs, illuminati will seem inherently unlikely.

    This may or may not be relevant in forming reads I guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Spoiler : read this whenever :
    Partially because it's interesting, and partially because it may be relevant to game discussion, I pre-wrote the following post about the odds of illuminati ---

    As you hopefully know, there are 6 possible setup types - A, B, C, D, E, F. The type was chosen by feeding A (1), A (2), B (3), C (4), D (5), D (6), E (7) and F ( into an 8-possibility RNG. There are four numbers out of eight where illuminati does not spawn (1, 2, 5, 6). So you may assume the odds are simply 50/50.

    However......

    Suppose you spawn into the game as a consigliere (not illuminati). Simply by the role you received, you know the game cannot be setup C or setup F because the consigliere is illuminati in those.
    Hence, you know the RNG picked 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 or 7. Of these, only 3 and 7 actually have an illuminati. So if you spawned as consigliere, the actual probability given the information you have of illuminati spawning is only 1 in 3 (33.33%), even if to an uninformed observer the probability seems like 50%.

    This isn't as perverse as it seems. This is literally like if two people are told to guess whether a die rolled a 6, and the second person was told that the die roll was even. From the POV of the first person, the odds are 1 in 6, but the second person's additional information tells them the odds are 1 in 3.

    Extrapolating this logic, here is the "true" probability of illuminati spawning from your POV, given the information your rolecard gives you:

    Mayor: 0% chance of illuminati
    Mafia: 33.33% chance of illuminati
    Mason: 33.33% chance of illuminati
    Town random slot: 45.45% chance of illuminati
    Conspiracy theorist: 50% chance of illuminati
    Illuminati: 100% chance of illuminati (lol)

    The point is, varying roles have varying degrees of certainty about the presence of illuminati. For towns and conspiracy theorists, it's effectively a coinflip. But for mafia and certain TPRs, illuminati will seem inherently unlikely.

    This may or may not be relevant in forming reads I guess.
    Very true, I had already considered that myself... the thing is, it's not useful until we get flips, so I suggest we play this normally for now and start thinking about that stuff when it becomes relevant.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    I think it may be in town's best interests for masons/mayors to claim day 1. It would damage us a little if there isn't an illuminati. But if there is, the illuminati would get totally wrecked. And I think it'd be within our means to survive even if we lose confirmed towns early. We have two mislynches at our disposal. Though I recognise that they'd be reluctant to do that lmao.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    hello
    -vote renegade
    uwu / GOOFY
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I think it may be in town's best interests for masons/mayors to claim day 1. It would damage us a little if there isn't an illuminati. But if there is, the illuminati would get totally wrecked. And I think it'd be within our means to survive even if we lose confirmed towns early. We have two mislynches at our disposal. Though I recognise that they'd be reluctant to do that lmao.
    Objection. Do that when we have flips, not right out of the gate lol. Else you're basically wasting their lives if there isn't an illuminati. This setup looks like it's designed to punish claims (we don't have many mislynches and we don't even know our exact enemy). I guess it could work for a mayor, though, but masons would involve too much WIFOM about CCing (and in a world with illuminati, it would be even worse because it would give us literally no info).
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Actually, even mayor involves a lot of WIFOM (can be town or illuminati even despite the reveal), so it wouldn't be good either
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I think it may be in town's best interests for masons/mayors to claim day 1. It would damage us a little if there isn't an illuminati. But if there is, the illuminati would get totally wrecked. And I think it'd be within our means to survive even if we lose confirmed towns early. We have two mislynches at our disposal. Though I recognise that they'd be reluctant to do that lmao.
    I disagree. If I were the conspiracy theorist, I'd probably shoot anyone who claims mayor/mason: They're either Illuminati or a TPR. If they're Illuminati, I've helped myself in setups B,C,E,F. If they're TPR, I've made it very possible to scumside in setups A/D.

    I'm more on team "play this like a regular game." Let's try to find the Mafia for now: AT LEAST one of them is scum. If we're in setups A/D, both need to die, but we still need to kill one of them in setups B/C/E/F. If someone acting scummy flips town (especially Mason/Mayor), then that's a good sign there's an Illuminati.

    Also,

    -vote Mesk514

    @Mesk514 , I'm not letting you go by most of the game not offering opinions. Get your ass in here!
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I disagree. If I were the conspiracy theorist, I'd probably shoot anyone who claims mayor/mason: They're either Illuminati or a TPR. If they're Illuminati, I've helped myself in setups B,C,E,F. If they're TPR, I've made it very possible to scumside in setups A/D.

    I'm more on team "play this like a regular game." Let's try to find the Mafia for now: AT LEAST one of them is scum. If we're in setups A/D, both need to die, but we still need to kill one of them in setups B/C/E/F. If someone acting scummy flips town (especially Mason/Mayor), then that's a good sign there's an Illuminati.

    Also,

    -vote Mesk514

    @Mesk514 , I'm not letting you go by most of the game not offering opinions. Get your ass in here!
    Shit, I can't call you illuminati confirmed if you say absolutely valid stuff lol. 100 % agreed.
    -unvote
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Objection. Do that when we have flips, not right out of the gate lol. Else you're basically wasting their lives if there isn't an illuminati. This setup looks like it's designed to punish claims (we don't have many mislynches and we don't even know our exact enemy). I guess it could work for a mayor, though, but masons would involve too much WIFOM about CCing (and in a world with illuminati, it would be even worse because it would give us literally no info).
    But if they come forward, we will rapidly figure out what kind of setup we're actually dealing with and how we should play the game. That is a VERY worthwhile trade. Otherwise, we'd risk having to lynch day 2 without actually being sure what we're even supposed to be lynching - just vague statistical assurance. Early mason claims come with their own minor advantages. Any potential TPR in the town random aside doctor would make drastically better choices with their day 1 / day 2 picks. But the main advantage is the actual direction we'd gain.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    I'm a little torn on what a town mayor should do: A town mayor KNOWS we're in setup D. They're a powerful TPR, and our chances of having a doc to protect them is small. They should probably be revealing D2/D3 when they can help with PoE, but right now they'd just be fodder to a night kill.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I disagree. If I were the conspiracy theorist, I'd probably shoot anyone who claims mayor/mason: They're either Illuminati or a TPR. If they're Illuminati, I've helped myself in setups B,C,E,F. If they're TPR, I've made it very possible to scumside in setups A/D.

    I'm more on team "play this like a regular game." Let's try to find the Mafia for now: AT LEAST one of them is scum. If we're in setups A/D, both need to die, but we still need to kill one of them in setups B/C/E/F. If someone acting scummy flips town (especially Mason/Mayor), then that's a good sign there's an Illuminati.

    Also,

    -vote Mesk514

    @Mesk514 , I'm not letting you go by most of the game not offering opinions. Get your ass in here!
    I didn't see the one-shot revolver. That changes the calculation. But I'd argue that's unnecessary overreach from a conspiracy theorist cuz they can just check the person and illuminati would get rekt either way if they do actually exist. (they'd get lynched the next day and then the mafia illuminati would die that night). I don't think neuts have any problem siding with evils in the late game either way tbh. But it IS possible to piss off town to the point they don't work with you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Eh, it was a long shot either way. We can just play this normally and scumhunt then I guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I didn't see the one-shot revolver. That changes the calculation. But I'd argue that's unnecessary overreach from a conspiracy theorist cuz they can just check the person and illuminati would get rekt either way if they do actually exist. (they'd get lynched the next day and then the mafia illuminati would die that night). I don't think neuts have any problem siding with evils in the late game either way tbh. But it IS possible to piss off town to the point they don't work with you.
    I probably should have split up the mason/mayor cases more clearly. Masons are *probably* town and not the strongest Illuminati if they're Illuminati. Mayors, on the other hand, can be lethal. If we're in setup E/F and misyeet today, a night kill on town would give Illuminati the ability to instahammer by revealing their mayor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I probably should have split up the mason/mayor cases more clearly. Masons are *probably* town and not the strongest Illuminati if they're Illuminati. Mayors, on the other hand, can be lethal. If we're in setup E/F and misyeet today, a night kill on town would give Illuminati the ability to instahammer by revealing their mayor.
    yh, they could reveal and lynch the friendly mafia and steal the night kill.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    yh, they could reveal and lynch the friendly mafia and steal the night kill.
    This would be the worst-case scenario!

    Mafia, put your partner's name in your last will. If you ever get yeeted by surprise, it's probably because the Illuminati decided to stealth hammer you. We would need to have a vig/conspiracy theorist shoot your partner for us to have a chance at winning."

    If you're thinking "But that's gamethrowing if I'm in setup A/D!" you can always clear your LW if you really believe your partner is also mafia and you're not being yeeted by Illuminati. But even then, would you rather bet on your partner willing solo or on being in setup B/C/E/F?
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    tbh, now I sit here and think about it more, 1:43am yzb realizes only town mayor would listen to a request to reveal day 1. Illuminati mayor can just shirk the request and take the free win day 2.

    Yup, I think ima put this massclaim idea to bed lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    This would be the worst-case scenario!

    Mafia, put your partner's name in your last will. If you ever get yeeted by surprise, it's probably because the Illuminati decided to stealth hammer you. We would need to have a vig/conspiracy theorist shoot your partner for us to have a chance at winning."

    If you're thinking "But that's gamethrowing if I'm in setup A/D!" you can always clear your LW if you really believe your partner is also mafia and you're not being yeeted by Illuminati. But even then, would you rather bet on your partner willing solo or on being in setup B/C/E/F?
    that reminds me

    Mafia, you have NO reason not to put your mate in your lw for n1 in general

    There will be no vigi shot n1. p much the only way you will die n1 is if you are backstabbed by the other mafia. Do NOT let potential illuminati get the nightkill for free.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    Ok so I’m Hard Claiming Citizen.
    My role is the most useless role for town in this setup.
    I am the best ML for town.
    I ain’t voting for anyone until I feel strongly on someone.
    Also if Illuminate exists, don’t trust any other RT claims.

    -vote Dark Magician
    ...why are you claiming?

    If you're actually a citizen, you WANT to be taking night kills for our TPRs, because we probably don't have a doc. (I'm counting the non-Illuminati GF/Consig and Conspiracy Theorist as TPRs if there's an Illuminati) This really feels a lot more like an Illuminati play: claim citizen so the godfather doesn't shoot you. (Or so the Illuminati godfather doesn't look suspicious for avoiding you)

    -vote Dark Magician
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    that reminds me

    Mafia, you have NO reason not to put your mate in your lw for n1 in general

    There will be no vigi shot n1. p much the only way you will die n1 is if you are backstabbed by the other mafia. Do NOT let potential illuminati get the nightkill for free.
    I approve of this line of thinking.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    Ok so I’m Hard Claiming Citizen.
    My role is the most useless role for town in this setup.
    I am the best ML for town.
    I ain’t voting for anyone until I feel strongly on someone.
    Also if Illuminate exists, don’t trust any other RT claims.

    -vote Dark Magician
    I'm curious why you make it sound like you're interested in a no-vote, or at least have an aversion to a lynch in general. no-lynches kill day 1s I find
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I'm a little torn on what a town mayor should do: A town mayor KNOWS we're in setup D. They're a powerful TPR, and our chances of having a doc to protect them is small. They should probably be revealing D2/D3 when they can help with PoE, but right now they'd just be fodder to a night kill.
    Yea, D1 reveal is bad (and will only come from town who's gonna die N1 anyway, unless there's a doctor, which isn't very likely and shouldn't be gambled on).
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Join me in pressuring Mesk to contribute?
    I could get behind that, but I saw something else that I'll address in my next post which will warrant my vote...
    -vote Dark Magician

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    tbh, now I sit here and think about it more, 1:43am yzb realizes only town mayor would listen to a request to reveal day 1. Illuminati mayor can just shirk the request and take the free win day 2.

    Yup, I think ima put this massclaim idea to bed lol
    ^ let's just play normally for now
    Which leads me to my next post.....
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    Ok so I’m Hard Claiming Citizen.
    My role is the most useless role for town in this setup.
    I am the best ML for town.
    I ain’t voting for anyone until I feel strongly on someone.
    Also if Illuminate exists, don’t trust any other RT claims.

    -vote Dark Magician
    This benefits the town in no way. Mislynching isn't a goal, that's dumb lol. By claiming, you're letting scum (whoever they are) target someone who isn't citizen.

    But actually, now that I think past face value of this claim, I find it also doesn't benefit scum!DM to do that: it puts him in a bad light at the very beginning without giving any benefits. So even though I strongly disagree with the claim, it's not grounds for lynch imo. Going back to the pressuring mesk to do something plan.
    -vote Mesk514
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    that reminds me

    Mafia, you have NO reason not to put your mate in your lw for n1 in general

    There will be no vigi shot n1. p much the only way you will die n1 is if you are backstabbed by the other mafia. Do NOT let potential illuminati get the nightkill for free.
    lol this is actually correct. This sentence would be totally nonsensical in every setup but this one xD.
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    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    that reminds me

    Mafia, you have NO reason not to put your mate in your lw for n1 in general

    There will be no vigi shot n1. p much the only way you will die n1 is if you are backstabbed by the other mafia. Do NOT let potential illuminati get the nightkill for free.
    Incorrect actually.

    Illuminati role variants for the mafia can't backstab/night-kill their mafia buds. The real non-illuminati ones can. Hence why there's two role-cards in the setup for illuminati and non-illuminati ones.

    So if there's an illuminati witch hunt the godfather or the consigliere can kill each other if they're the real one

    Thus proving them as....uh...."town" non-illuminati.

    Unless they're both non-illuminati and they kill each other in a single night, in which case that's very bad if there's illuminati (or very good for town if there isn't illuminati).
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Oh and I hardclaim conspiracy theorist.

    I'm recanting n1, with full acknowledgement that this gives ~65% chance of just out-right losing on my part.

    (50/50 from chances of Illuminati existing and I auto-lose as per role-card, and another 15% chance where I live and rand jester and lose horribly because I hardclaimed my role and intent here).

    Since I have an auto-vest on n1, I can only be killed by my own action on N1, thus meaning if I die there is 100% illuminati.

    And if I don't die, there 100% is NO illuminati.

    I'm partially doing this because I don't wish to live to n2 or n3 having to deal with possible illuminati mind-fuckery.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Oh and I hardclaim conspiracy theorist.

    I'm recanting n1, with full acknowledgement that this gives ~65% chance of just out-right losing on my part.

    (50/50 from chances of Illuminati existing and I auto-lose as per role-card, and another 15% chance where I live and rand jester and lose horribly because I hardclaimed my role and intent here).

    Since I have an auto-vest on n1, I can only be killed by my own action on N1, thus meaning if I die there is 100% illuminati.

    And if I don't die, there 100% is NO illuminati.

    I'm partially doing this because I don't wish to live to n2 or n3 having to deal with possible illuminati mind-fuckery.
    But, on the plus side,

    If there is Illuminati then I just saved the non-illuminati faction a ton and don't have to worry about who's mafia and who's town.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Incorrect actually.

    Illuminati role variants for the mafia can't backstab/night-kill their mafia buds. The real non-illuminati ones can. Hence why there's two role-cards in the setup for illuminati and non-illuminati ones.

    So if there's an illuminati witch hunt the godfather or the consigliere can kill each other if they're the real one

    Thus proving them as....uh...."town" non-illuminati.

    Unless they're both non-illuminati and they kill each other in a single night, in which case that's very bad if there's illuminati (or very good for town if there isn't illuminati).
    Have you considered that yzb INTENTIONALLY didn't point this out? yzb, MM, and I read that comment and let it slide for a reason.

    NAI because if you're scum you could just use your nightchat to expose the flaw in yzb's logic, but c'mon.
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    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Oh and I hardclaim conspiracy theorist.

    I'm recanting n1, with full acknowledgement that this gives ~65% chance of just out-right losing on my part.

    (50/50 from chances of Illuminati existing and I auto-lose as per role-card, and another 15% chance where I live and rand jester and lose horribly because I hardclaimed my role and intent here).

    Since I have an auto-vest on n1, I can only be killed by my own action on N1, thus meaning if I die there is 100% illuminati.

    And if I don't die, there 100% is NO illuminati.

    I'm partially doing this because I don't wish to live to n2 or n3 having to deal with possible illuminati mind-fuckery.
    Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Oh and I hardclaim conspiracy theorist.

    I'm recanting n1, with full acknowledgement that this gives ~65% chance of just out-right losing on my part.

    (50/50 from chances of Illuminati existing and I auto-lose as per role-card, and another 15% chance where I live and rand jester and lose horribly because I hardclaimed my role and intent here).

    Since I have an auto-vest on n1, I can only be killed by my own action on N1, thus meaning if I die there is 100% illuminati.

    And if I don't die, there 100% is NO illuminati.

    I'm partially doing this because I don't wish to live to n2 or n3 having to deal with possible illuminati mind-fuckery.
    ... did you see Mike's very explicit update that Conspiracy Theorists LOSE if they recant when there's an Illuminati?
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    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    ... did you see Mike's very explicit update that Conspiracy Theorists LOSE if they recant when there's an Illuminati?
    Yup.

    Did you see my very explicit

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99
    ~65% chance of just out-right losing on my part.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    We don't need to skip yet.
    Oh.

    Well, whatever.

    I'm the only conspiracy theorist and there shouldn't be anyone in the game who has a reason to counter-claim me, and the only ones who would want to see me lynched are the illuminati because of the n1 recant.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    PLEASE do not recant N1. If there's an Illuminati, Mafia could shoot a town N1, which after a misyeet and your death brings us 3v3 into D2.

    As the designer of this setup, I gave your role a LOT of anti-Illuminati power. This setup really isn't balanced around the possibility you YOLO recant N1. (If you somehow found reason to believe there's no Illuminati first, that's a different story)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    PLEASE do not recant N1. If there's an Illuminati, Mafia could shoot a town N1, which after a misyeet and your death brings us 3v3 into D2.

    As the designer of this setup, I gave your role a LOT of anti-Illuminati power. This setup really isn't balanced around the possibility you YOLO recant N1. (If you somehow found reason to believe there's no Illuminati first, that's a different story)
    Who says the mafia kill is mandatory?

    Why are we misyeeting d1?
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Also there's no way in hell we're skipping against a threat like that: If you become Amnesiac, I want to know what role you could be taking.
    Well it certainly would be lovely to have an escort around.

    Also

    Amnesiac: If you remember you were another role, achieve that role's win condition. Otherwise, survive until the end.
    I don't need to remember.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Who says the mafia kill is mandatory?

    Why are we misyeeting d1?
    We're not necessarily misyeeting D1, but in the worst-case scenario that there's an Illuminati, it's quite likely. (What are the odds we catch an Illuminati D1 when they control 3 votes?)

    Sure, Mafia doesn't *have* to kill, but if they think we're in setup A/D, are they really going to pass up the chance to be in a 4v2v1?
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Tbh Martin I'd support lynching you no matter what if you survive the night. There's no reason to keep around a neutral that's gonna open with such an anti town play. Either we lose our most important anti Illuminati role or you become an anti town neutral.

    So make that a 87.5% chance of immediately losing :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

 

 

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