S-FM 319: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

[MattZed]

I didn't see the one-shot revolver. That changes the calculation. But I'd argue that's unnecessary overreach from a conspiracy theorist cuz they can just check the person and illuminati would get rekt either way if they do actually exist. (they'd get lynched the next day and then the mafia illuminati would die that night). I don't think neuts have any problem siding with evils in the late game either way tbh. But it IS possible to piss off town to the point they don't work with you.

I probably should have split up the mason/mayor cases more clearly. Masons are *probably* town and not the strongest Illuminati if they're Illuminati. Mayors, on the other hand, can be lethal. If we're in setup E/F and misyeet today, a night kill on town would give Illuminati the ability to instahammer by revealing their mayor.

[yzb25]

I probably should have split up the mason/mayor cases more clearly. Masons are *probably* town and not the strongest Illuminati if they're Illuminati. Mayors, on the other hand, can be lethal. If we're in setup E/F and misyeet today, a night kill on town would give Illuminati the ability to instahammer by revealing their mayor.

yh, they could reveal and lynch the friendly mafia and steal the night kill.

[MattZed]

yh, they could reveal and lynch the friendly mafia and steal the night kill.

This would be the worst-case scenario!

Mafia, put your partner's name in your last will. If you ever get yeeted by surprise, it's probably because the Illuminati decided to stealth hammer you. We would need to have a vig/conspiracy theorist shoot your partner for us to have a chance at winning."

If you're thinking "But that's gamethrowing if I'm in setup A/D!" you can always clear your LW if you really believe your partner is also mafia and you're not being yeeted by Illuminati. But even then, would you rather bet on your partner willing solo or on being in setup B/C/E/F?

[yzb25]

This would be the worst-case scenario!

Mafia, put your partner's name in your last will. If you ever get yeeted by surprise, it's probably because the Illuminati decided to stealth hammer you. We would need to have a vig/conspiracy theorist shoot your partner for us to have a chance at winning."

If you're thinking "But that's gamethrowing if I'm in setup A/D!" you can always clear your LW if you really believe your partner is also mafia and you're not being yeeted by Illuminati. But even then, would you rather bet on your partner willing solo or on being in setup B/C/E/F?

that reminds me

Mafia, you have NO reason not to put your mate in your lw for n1 in general

There will be no vigi shot n1. p much the only way you will die n1 is if you are backstabbed by the other mafia. Do NOT let potential illuminati get the nightkill for free.

[MattZed]

that reminds me

Mafia, you have NO reason not to put your mate in your lw for n1 in general

There will be no vigi shot n1. p much the only way you will die n1 is if you are backstabbed by the other mafia. Do NOT let potential illuminati get the nightkill for free.

I approve of this line of thinking.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

that reminds me

Mafia, you have NO reason not to put your mate in your lw for n1 in general

There will be no vigi shot n1. p much the only way you will die n1 is if you are backstabbed by the other mafia. Do NOT let potential illuminati get the nightkill for free.

lol this is actually correct. This sentence would be totally nonsensical in every setup but this one xD.

[MartinGG99]

that reminds me

Mafia, you have NO reason not to put your mate in your lw for n1 in general

There will be no vigi shot n1. p much the only way you will die n1 is if you are backstabbed by the other mafia. Do NOT let potential illuminati get the nightkill for free.

Incorrect actually.

Illuminati role variants for the mafia can't backstab/night-kill their mafia buds. The real non-illuminati ones can. Hence why there's two role-cards in the setup for illuminati and non-illuminati ones.

So if there's an illuminati witch hunt the godfather or the consigliere can kill each other if they're the real one

Thus proving them as....uh...."town" non-illuminati.

Unless they're both non-illuminati and they kill each other in a single night, in which case that's very bad if there's illuminati (or very good for town if there isn't illuminati).

[MattZed]

Incorrect actually.

Illuminati role variants for the mafia can't backstab/night-kill their mafia buds. The real non-illuminati ones can. Hence why there's two role-cards in the setup for illuminati and non-illuminati ones.

So if there's an illuminati witch hunt the godfather or the consigliere can kill each other if they're the real one

Thus proving them as....uh...."town" non-illuminati.

Unless they're both non-illuminati and they kill each other in a single night, in which case that's very bad if there's illuminati (or very good for town if there isn't illuminati).

Have you considered that yzb INTENTIONALLY didn't point this out? yzb, MM, and I read that comment and let it slide for a reason.

NAI because if you're scum you could just use your nightchat to expose the flaw in yzb's logic, but c'mon.