S-FM 318: Super Basic Redemption (9P)

[S-FM Distorted]

PTR = Pown Tower Role?

lol

-vote S-FM Magoroth

fixed vote

[S-FM Stealthbomber16]

Its TMI because you implied AIVION wasnt tryharding and that you were townreading them for that exact reason. However AIVION did try pretty hard :P

I didn't say they were not tryharding, and I did not say I was town reading Aivion. I still don't understand where the too much information was in my post.

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

-vote S-FM Magoroth

@S-FM Distorted , put your vote back or crocodile dundee > u.

[S-FM Distorted]

So do I! In Human Relations! I know how to talk to people and engage in communication! It shows right?

What pressure? All I see is someone scumreading for a reason they change between two posts and someone telling me I may be an idiot. The only pressure I feel is the pressure to live up to my outstanding legacy!

PTB is my first real townread. He's being "pressured" (more like insulted and called scum) a lot and truly reacts like a strong alpha squirrel. He doesn't care and keeps acting like his natural self.
NOTE: This read is perishable and may rot if PTB doesn't participate in more serious matters later on. Store in a cool, dry place.

[S-FM Distorted]

-vote S-FM Magoroth

@S-FM Distorted , put your vote back or crocodile dundee > u.

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I can't read this! So I can't do it, sorry

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

I didn't say they were not tryharding, and I did not say I was town reading Aivion. I still don't understand where the too much information was in my post.

you said aivion was the only one you liked, and said everyone else was tryharding. And its TMI because you townread them for things that others you scumread them for. That is scum not being able to make up fake reasons to townread someone.

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

and now you go on to state that aivion was in fact tryharding. so which is it?

[S-FM Distorted]

Aight so time to drop out of character. We should discuss the setup to break this weird awkward RVS where we just roleplay aa each other. Brb

Also good and very much valid, those who did not want to get out of that extremely weak and awkward situation and kept going in that way after this post look rather bad.
*jumps in PTB's pocket*

Looking at MM (what is this push for ".',"asking for a friend",'." at PTB about??) and yzb right now (come on, yzb... talking about robot Jesus in Matrix? anything else?)

[S-FM Distorted]

Current Vote List

TOWNLEAN
Mag
Aivion
Yzb
MM
STEALTHBOMBER

SCUMLEAN
Light Yagami IMPOSTER WEEB
PTB too paranoid to much projection
Distorted saying things that look like they make sense but don't stand up to any scrutiny (SEE POST 66)

Projection... of what? Shitposts trying to look like arguments to scumread him?
aah yes, my compelling case against you. here's a link if you want https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post909098

this list better be a joke lol

[S-FM Distorted]

Why would YOU be under Mag in your own list, why would Yzb be up in there, what the SQUIRREL is that

[S-FM Distorted]

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S-FM Distorted, S-FM PowersThatBe, S-FM Stealthbomber16, Stealthbomber16


IMPOSTER!

[S-FM Stealthbomber16]

you said aivion was the only one you liked, and said everyone else was tryharding. And its TMI because you townread them for things that others you scumread them for. That is scum not being able to make up fake reasons to townread someone.

Where in my post did I say Aivion was not try harding or I said I town read Aivion? Maybe you should go learn to read instead of making assumptions.

[S-FM Light_Yagami]

But giving townpoints to an action makes it inherently TOWNY lol. So saying ‘you did it for the townpoints’ is literally suggesting that the action itself is towny but that the person did it SPECIFICALLY because town do it.

Definition Of Wifom...

[S-FM Distorted]

from most towny/scummy to least towny/scummy

TOWN
Distorted (me)
PowersThatBe

NULL
everyone else

SCUMMY
Magoroth
AIVION
MM
Yzb

[S-FM Light_Yagami]

@S-FM yzb25 did you just get pinged by Marshmallow Marshall in scum chat to come defend him?

Dumb Comment Scum Often Likes To Say Stupid Things Like This..

[S-FM Light_Yagami]

You accuse me of being scum and then you disappear immediately! After the host already stated there was no n0 scum chat!

Why are you like this?

Likewise Dumb Response..

[S-FM Distorted]

Where in my post did I say Aivion was not try harding or I said I town read Aivion? Maybe you should go learn to read instead of making assumptions.

can you two quote the posts you're using as evidence already lol

[S-FM Light_Yagami]

I think we need to find the consort first. I believe we found that mafioso role already. In @S-FM PowersThatBe

Why Do We Need To Find The Consort First, Why Does It Matter Who We Find First All Scum Will Die Anyway..

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

Dumb Comment Scum Often Likes To Say Stupid Things Like This..

Oh yeah? Well looking at your name I’d say that you’re more guilty of saying ‘stupid things’ than I am. Besides, 10D chess, remember? :P

[S-FM Light_Yagami]

Oh yeah? Well looking at your name I’d say that you’re more guilty of saying ‘stupid things’ than I am. Besides, 10D chess, remember? :P

Keep Ya Friends Close And Ya Enemies Closer..

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

Where in my post did I say Aivion was not try harding or I said I town read Aivion? Maybe you should go learn to read instead of making assumptions.

You didnt have to. You implied AIVION was not try harding by stating you liked them and that everyone else was tryharding too much. By the laws of conversational implicature (which state that all pieces of information have to be relevant to the conversation), you provided two pieces of information that arent directly related to one another. Thus, the conclusion I derive is that you a) didnt think AIVION was tryharding (at least, enough for you not to ‘dislike them’), and that given that tryharding is generally seen as scummy by people you implicitly townread them as well. Maybe stop doublimg down on your stance from now on, huh? :P

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

Keep Ya Friends Close And Ya Enemies Closer..

Im not sure what this means but it made me laugh. 10 townpoints for you. Fresh out of the oven.

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

Who is the invisimode cunt

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

Why Do We Need To Find The Consort First, Why Does It Matter Who We Find First All Scum Will Die Anyway..

We dont, but killing the consort could give the Sheriff one extra night.

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

I suppose there are some clutch scenarios in which the Doctor could save us from a mislynch leading to a loss, on second thought.

[S-FM Stealthbomber16]

You didnt have to. You implied AIVION was not try harding by stating you liked them and that everyone else was tryharding too much. By the laws of conversational implicature (which state that all pieces of information have to be relevant to the conversation), you provided two pieces of information that arent directly related to one another. Thus, the conclusion I derive is that you a) didnt think AIVION was tryharding (at least, enough for you not to ‘dislike them’), and that given that tryharding is generally seen as scummy by people you implicitly townread them as well. Maybe stop doublimg down on your stance from now on, huh? :P

How do you make stuff up like this LMAO

I never said tryhard = scum and like = town read. I've never seen anyone say tryharding is a scum tell in any game of mafia I've played, nor do I give a shit if anyone has. This game is anon so there is no meta.

You just keep making yourself look more like an ass the more you post. Your conclusions are based on incorrect assumptions. You even just backpedaled in your own post on one of your assumptions. Just go a bit further and backpedal on the rest.

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

How do you make stuff up like this LMAO

I never said tryhard = scum and like = town read. I've never seen anyone say tryharding is a scum tell in any game of mafia I've played, nor do I give a shit if anyone has. This game is anon so there is no meta.

You just keep making yourself look more like an ass the more you post. Your conclusions are based on incorrect assumptions. You even just backpedaled in your own post on one of your assumptions. Just go a bit further and backpedal on the rest.

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanit...al-implicature
I strongly suspect that by doing this I am just launching into a huge pissing match with you...
but w/e lets hope im wrong:
you dont need to specifically say that. it was implied by your post.
you said you liked AIVION (which can either mean you like their play or something about them) or that you townread them. then further said everyone is else is tryharding too much. now by stating this you are implying that AIVION isnt tryharding as much as everyone else was. you did say ‘too much’, so i’ll grant you that you didnt say that AIVION wasnt tryharding, but its still implied that he tryharded at ‘acceptable’ levels. which brings us back to square one.

as for the rest of your post, the only one making themselves look like an ass here is you for doubling back on a stance like this and not giving any credence to implications and too much to mere logic.

[S-FM AIVION]

Is that in order, or just two groups?

Just two groups!

PTR = Pown Tower Role?

Power.... Town... Role... SHUT UP lol

It was late

this list better be a joke lol

It's precisely as serious as the posts before it.

[S-FM AIVION]

How do you make stuff up like this LMAO

I never said tryhard = scum and like = town read. I've never seen anyone say tryharding is a scum tell in any game of mafia I've played, nor do I give a shit if anyone has. This game is anon so there is no meta.

You just keep making yourself look more like an ass the more you post. Your conclusions are based on incorrect assumptions. You even just backpedaled in your own post on one of your assumptions. Just go a bit further and backpedal on the rest.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanit...al-implicature
I strongly suspect that by doing this I am just launching into a huge pissing match with you...
but w/e lets hope im wrong:
you dont need to specifically say that. it was implied by your post.
you said you liked AIVION (which can either mean you like their play or something about them) or that you townread them. then further said everyone is else is tryharding too much. now by stating this you are implying that AIVION isnt tryharding as much as everyone else was. you did say ‘too much’, so i’ll grant you that you didnt say that AIVION wasnt tryharding, but its still implied that he tryharded at ‘acceptable’ levels. which brings us back to square one.

as for the rest of your post, the only one making themselves look like an ass here is you for doubling back on a stance like this and not giving any credence to implications and too much to mere logic.

You both look like asses from where I'm sitting. This is purely a penis measurement contest and I'm not sure it serves to further town's win condition.

[S-FM AIVION]

The nerve of that bitch..

Mr Squishy!! Who's a bitch?

[S-FM Stealthbomber16]

You both look like asses from where I'm sitting. This is purely a penis measurement contest and I'm not sure it serves to further town's win condition.

Very cool contribution Aivion. You are so helpful. /s

That's what happens when someone assumes, and why I've stopped responding on that subject matter.

[S-FM AIVION]

I’m a regular snowflake. Got any problems with that?

Is this a citizen claim? We shouldn't be claiming yet. It narrows down the TPR pool (or the PTR pool if you're tired AIVION lol)

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

Is this a citizen claim? We shouldn't be claiming yet. It narrows down the TPR pool (or the PTR pool if you're tired AIVION lol)

No.

[S-FM AIVION]

One mafia is in here.

Explain this, please.

[S-FM AIVION]

This looks like a standard setup with one consort and one sheriff. I cannot stress this enough, but the TPR should not reveal themselves early at all. As far as I can tell since its a 7v2, assuming we lynch every day (which we should, at least on D1), its
7v2 -> 5v2 -> 3v2 MyLo by d3. Looks pretty townsided considering the Sheriff. @Mike what happens if the Goon dies? Does the Consort turn into a goon? Are both of them able to carry put the factional nightkill? Can the Consort, if alone, botb a) roleblock someone and b) kill at night (simulatenously)?

*serious hat on* I want an explanation for this. Looks like you read the setup but then asked questions that were answered in the setup. Your posts thus far suggest tryhard but tryhards thoroughly read the setup, including rolecards.

Did you ask these already answered questions in day chat to win town points?

[S-FM AIVION]

*serious hat on* I want an explanation for this. Looks like you read the setup but then asked questions that were answered in the setup. Your posts thus far suggest tryhard but tryhards thoroughly read the setup, including rolecards.

Did you ask these already answered questions in day chat to win town points?

Or are you just trying to seem tryhard without actually trying hard?

[S-FM Light_Yagami]

https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanit...al-implicature
I strongly suspect that by doing this I am just launching into a huge pissing match with you...
but w/e lets hope im wrong:
you dont need to specifically say that. it was implied by your post.
you said you liked AIVION (which can either mean you like their play or something about them) or that you townread them. then further said everyone is else is tryharding too much. now by stating this you are implying that AIVION isnt tryharding as much as everyone else was. you did say ‘too much’, so i’ll grant you that you didnt say that AIVION wasnt tryharding, but its still implied that he tryharded at ‘acceptable’ levels. which brings us back to square one.

as for the rest of your post, the only one making themselves look like an ass here is you for doubling back on a stance like this and not giving any credence to implications and too much to mere logic.

Oh My God..

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

*serious hat on* I want an explanation for this. Looks like you read the setup but then asked questions that were answered in the setup. Your posts thus far suggest tryhard but tryhards thoroughly read the setup, including rolecards.

Did you ask these already answered questions in day chat to win town points?

I did have a look at the setup and saw there were no rolecards - Hence I posed questions to the host to clear the erm, huge ambiguities in the setup. There is little setup information available. Ym

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

Or are you just trying to seem tryhard without actually trying hard?

Im trying pretty hard atm you filthy Anime weeb :P

[S-FM AIVION]

I did have a look at the setup and saw there were no rolecards - Hence I posed questions to the host to clear the erm, huge ambiguities in the setup. There is little setup information available. Ym

Im trying pretty hard atm you filthy Anime weeb :P

Click setup link and then click the spoiler. Your questions are answered there. That's pretty standard fare for trying to understand the setup.

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

Very cool contribution Aivion. You are so helpful. /s

That's what happens when someone assumes, and why I've stopped responding on that subject matter.

Assumptions are we have to go off in Mafia. If you take everythint at face value you let the scum get away. Hence why you have to make assumptions. :P

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

Click setup link and then click the spoiler. Your questions are answered there. That's pretty standard fare for trying to understand the setup.

Oh lol i missed that spoiler. Usually theres separate spoilers/quotes for every rolecard ect, you dont usually see all info condensed into one packet. :P

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

You both look like asses from where I'm sitting. This is purely a penis measurement contest and I'm not sure it serves to further town's win condition.

I will always attack people trying to insert their own ego into the game. Regardless of whether they are town trying to derail someone else’s scumhunting is antitown. If someone is pushing you let them get what they want - dont put your foot in the door. It just makes people tunnel you even harder.

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

Projection... of what? Shitposts trying to look like arguments to scumread him?
aah yes, my compelling case against you. here's a link if you want https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post909098

this list better be a joke lol

I like your posts but i have a slight worry you’re trying to pocket me. You seem rather confident of my alignment rather early on, and are defending me right out of the gate.

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

What I usually do with my early game scumreads is push them a little and often put them in this back-of-the-mind scum region for a large part of the game. I dont like getting pocketed and i think most people in general dont. That is why really strong players often get lynched more often as town than as scum - they are so towny as town and so honest people just naturally assume they are concocting a mastee scum plan. I dont feel very good in the presence of unsolicited trust. @S-FM Distorted

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

Uh, early game townreads. Not scumreads. Lol

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

Just two groups!



Power.... Town... Role... SHUT UP lol

It was late



It's precisely as serious as the posts before it.

Do I detect... a slight hint of sarcasm in this last paragraph? Rofl

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

I’m pretty mindful of AIVION atm. They are an interesting player for sure and I cannot decide if their pushes are scummy or not.... I believe they are a very atrong player capable of doing what they are doing as scum. If it were any other player (I believe I know who the player behind that account is, as scummy as this is lol), i would be townreading them immediately for their behaviour this game. They are definitely not someone to fuck with and should be kept around for at least 3 days. I feel like their alignment will become clearer as the game goes on... and even as scum they would still advance the game state.

[S-FM PowersThatBe]

Definition Of Wifom...

I really dont like the way the idea of WIFOM is used and thought of by players. Far too often WIFOM is used as this catch-all answer for anything you cannot make up your mind about. Instead the player in question initially scumread that post with the reasoning that I was talking to my scum allies, and when I pointed out why that was unlikely to be the case they changed their reason to me trying to get townpoints.